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#126
bignewt said:
yep, its like he was trying to be one dimensional. There was zero in the dynamic column. Where was the play calling from the bowl game against a defense that was very similar? There was an agenda here, and I think they were too cocky or overestimated how good we were, which is understandable but make the adjustment in the second half to put up some points which they DID NOT do. I just don't understand it.
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Typical for a first game. But Appy State was better than he thought. And he made no adjustments. And to those who feel the defense was no problem we got dominated. We will get gutted once sec play starts.
 
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#127
I think the D will be fine the offense put them on the field all night and appy state was run run run that taxes a defense and yet they shut them down when it mattered.
 
#128
#128
I posted this in another thread before seeing this one open.. I think it is appropriate here too...

Why I think Georgia's the SEC East favorite in 2016 - SBNation.com


2. Tennessee could have some of the same problems.

Tennessee was bad in close games last year, and losing close games isn't necessarily predictive of how future close games will play out. If Tennessee can win more of them, this could work out. But there's an endemic factor that will likely cause Tennessee to continue to struggle in close games: offensive coordinator Mike DeBord.

Michigan fans were mostly perplexed when Butch Jones hired the former Wolverines coordinator before last season. For one thing, DeBord had no experience deploying the run-based spread scheme that would be ideal with Dobbs. For another, DeBord had spent his time after his second stint as Michigan's offensive coordinator as a position coach in the NFL and then an administrator for Michigan's Olympic sports.

In other words, based on the jobs he was forced to accept after 2007, the market reflected a lack of confidence in DeBord's skills as an offensive coordinator, until Jones plucked him out of middle management.

One look at DeBord's tenure as an offensive coordinator explains his descent into oblivion. When Michigan had great defenses (1997 and 2006), DeBord was passable. When Michigan needed anything substantial out of its offense, DeBord struggled. Some notable highlights:

With a starting lineup including three future NFL starters on the offensive line, an NFL starter at wide receiver, a future top-10 pick at another receiver spot, an NFL offensive rookie of the year at running back and Tom Brady at quarterback, DeBord coached an entire month in which the offense produced 12, 12, 15 and 21 points against teams that combined to go 15-30.
In 1999, Michigan missed a shot at the national title when DeBord wouldn't trust the aforementioned Brady to throw the ball, and thus Michigan blew a 20-point lead at home to Illinois. (Sound familiar, Vol fans?)
In 2006, Michigan had uncomfortably close calls against Penn State and Ball State, when the Wolverine offense couldn't be relied upon to put opponents out of sight.
DeBord was reputedly Lloyd Carr's preferred replacement and took a greater role in August preparations for the 2007 season. That season started with Michigan losing to Appalachian State.
In other words, DeBord came to Tennessee with a track record of being a conservative, not especially effective offensive coordinator. So when the Vols blew leads on a repeated basis in 2015, they were losing games in exactly the fashion that DeBord's track record would have suggested. If DeBord would not trust Tom Brady to throw the ball with a lead (except in obvious passing situations), then what makes us think that he'll be bolder with Dobbs? (Here's a case for DeBord to put more trust in his current quarterback.)
 
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#129
This was clearly a very vanilla game calling effort, so I hope they were just trying to keep it light so as not to reveal their various plays to future opponents, but when it is closer that expected you still need to open it up more (such as the first down bomb to Malone).
 
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#130
Mick said:
It's as if they knew what we were going to do and when we were going to do it offensively. How is that possible? Do they have our playbook? A crystal ball? Magic 8-ball? NO it is just plain ole predictability.
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They were a step ahead all night. Too freaking predictable and poor O line play
 
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#132
The players didn't help Debord at all last night, the Oline was embarrassing as was much of the offense.......Don't see much improvement in Dobbs ability to throw the ball down the field

Team 120 has many many more questions than it has answers, I'm afraid.:thud:
 
#133
#133
tgardnervol4life said:
Hell IMO Shoop is the new Sunseri
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Dude, its been 1 freakin game! Plus we held them to 13 points. Our D is going to be fine. Its the O that has me worried....BIG TIME. We will know a lot more after next Saturday in Bristol.

At the end of the day, I would rather be a 7-5 Vol than a 12-0 Bulldog or Gator. GO VOLS!!!
 
#134
#134
Vols420 said:
I posted this in another thread before seeing this one open.. I think it is appropriate here too...

Why I think Georgia's the SEC East favorite in 2016 - SBNation.com


2. Tennessee could have some of the same problems.

Tennessee was bad in close games last year, and losing close games isn't necessarily predictive of how future close games will play out. If Tennessee can win more of them, this could work out. But there's an endemic factor that will likely cause Tennessee to continue to struggle in close games: offensive coordinator Mike DeBord.

Michigan fans were mostly perplexed when Butch Jones hired the former Wolverines coordinator before last season. For one thing, DeBord had no experience deploying the run-based spread scheme that would be ideal with Dobbs. For another, DeBord had spent his time after his second stint as Michigan's offensive coordinator as a position coach in the NFL and then an administrator for Michigan's Olympic sports.

In other words, based on the jobs he was forced to accept after 2007, the market reflected a lack of confidence in DeBord's skills as an offensive coordinator, until Jones plucked him out of middle management.

One look at DeBord's tenure as an offensive coordinator explains his descent into oblivion. When Michigan had great defenses (1997 and 2006), DeBord was passable. When Michigan needed anything substantial out of its offense, DeBord struggled. Some notable highlights:

With a starting lineup including three future NFL starters on the offensive line, an NFL starter at wide receiver, a future top-10 pick at another receiver spot, an NFL offensive rookie of the year at running back and Tom Brady at quarterback, DeBord coached an entire month in which the offense produced 12, 12, 15 and 21 points against teams that combined to go 15-30.
In 1999, Michigan missed a shot at the national title when DeBord wouldn't trust the aforementioned Brady to throw the ball, and thus Michigan blew a 20-point lead at home to Illinois. (Sound familiar, Vol fans?)
In 2006, Michigan had uncomfortably close calls against Penn State and Ball State, when the Wolverine offense couldn't be relied upon to put opponents out of sight.
DeBord was reputedly Lloyd Carr's preferred replacement and took a greater role in August preparations for the 2007 season. That season started with Michigan losing to Appalachian State.
In other words, DeBord came to Tennessee with a track record of being a conservative, not especially effective offensive coordinator. So when the Vols blew leads on a repeated basis in 2015, they were losing games in exactly the fashion that DeBord's track record would have suggested. If DeBord would not trust Tom Brady to throw the ball with a lead (except in obvious passing situations), then what makes us think that he'll be bolder with Dobbs? (Here's a case for DeBord to put more trust in his current quarterback.)
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Haha, I couldn't tell you how many times I yelled "Throw the ****ing ball!" at the TV last night.

I know, not funny.

/laugh/cry
 
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#135
ntxVOL said:
Haha, I couldn't tell you how many times I yelled "Throw the ****ing ball!" at the TV last night.

I know, not funny.

/laugh/cry
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DeBord doesn't trust Dobbs to throw the ball more than 10 yards. He also only used about 35 percent of the playbook last night too. If we don't establish Josh as a run threat on the zone read, we are going to have a hard time. Appy did not even take him seriously.
 
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Remy said:
App State scored 13 points in the game. We should beat any team any where any time any place that we hold to 13 points total. Our problems as a team last night were not the defenses to shoulder IMO.
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I agree with you about the scoring....and we did score more points than Appy to win...and we DID BEAT THEM...BUT....

Appy State: 43 rushes for 184 yards...they kept the ball away from us...TOP: 33.5 minutes...they outplayed us on Special teams....

But--they were able to move the ball up and down the field on our defense as Appy State!!!! They completed the necessary passes when they had to get that done...

they had guys open everywhere....

And, if they didn't have a true freshman kicking in his first FB game ever--we just might have lost....

They left 4 points on the field, and pathetic game management might have cost them another FG attempt...

And our D couldn't stop them in the 4th QTR at the end of the game to get the ball back with enough time to give our offense another chance for a winning drive....

PLENTY of defensive gaffs in that game that will need to be fixed....and can be fixed....

And Appy State is NO-WHERE near ANY team in the SEC...on a week to week basis...

So, all I was saying is that our Defense has some very real problems that need to be ironed out before we play Florida!!! If you can't see that...then well....:crazy:
 
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midstate said:
DeBord doesn't trust Dobbs to throw the ball more than 10 yards. He also only used about 35 percent of the playbook last night too. If we don't establish Josh as a run threat on the zone read, we are going to have a hard time. Appy did not even take him seriously.
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This is why Debord doesn't trust Dobbs and I can't say I blame him.
 

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#139
#139
I really dont know how I feel about him at this point. Sometimes he calls a damn good game. Sometimes he calls a damn bad game. You can not really argue that he is awful considering how well our O performed last year in the SEC. He is not elite by any means but he is not garbage either. He does need to have a little more creativity and open up the play book more on occasion when a game plan is not working. That drives me nuts when a coach keep doing the same stuff over and over after getting poor results. Its not working! Try something else!
 
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#140
I think I could do a better job calling plays. If this doesn't improve we are in big trouble. Not to mention we've got to execute better.
 
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millst987 said:
I really dont know how I feel about him at this point. Sometimes he calls a damn good game. Sometimes he calls a damn bad game. You can not really argue that he is awful considering how well our O performed last year in the SEC. He is not elite by any means but he is not garbage either. He does need to have a little more creativity and open up the play book more on occasion when a game plan is not working. That drives me nuts when a coach keep doing the same stuff over and over after getting poor results. Its not working! Try something else!
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Last night definitely was not a good game for him. If you noticed, we threw the ball quite a bit from the pocket. I think a focus was to use this as a game to get Dobbs going as a passer. It largely failed.

I think the second focus was to minimize contact on Dobbs. We didn't run hardly any read option. It was more of a pistol, with straight handoffs out of the shotgun. This was a huge fail, because it took away one of the huge weapons, Dobbs, from the running game. Plus, he nearly got hurt anyhow on the last play of the game,

As another poster pointed out above, our defense didn't play as well as the score said, either. Especially with the game tied. Do, I would give DeBord an F and Shoop a D-.

Our coordinators were very bad in this game and constantly upstaged by there counterparts on the other side. But, I think the reason why is that despite all of the perching to take the opponent seriously, IT WAS OUR STAFF THAT OVERLOOKED APPY STATE. That is what led to vanilla schemes on both sides and a limited playbook IMO. I hope Butch learned and it doesn't happen again.
 
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MikeVol44 said:
I agree with you about the scoring....and we did score more points than Appy to win...and we DID BEAT THEM...BUT....

Appy State: 43 rushes for 184 yards...they kept the ball away from us...TOP: 33.5 minutes...they outplayed us on Special teams....

But--they were able to move the ball up and down the field on our defense as Appy State!!!! They completed the necessary passes when they had to get that done...

they had guys open everywhere....

And, if they didn't have a true freshman kicking in his first FB game ever--we just might have lost....

They left 4 points on the field, and pathetic game management might have cost them another FG attempt...

And our D couldn't stop them in the 4th QTR at the end of the game to get the ball back with enough time to give our offense another chance for a winning drive....

PLENTY of defensive gaffs in that game that will need to be fixed....and can be fixed....

And Appy State is NO-WHERE near ANY team in the SEC...on a week to week basis...

So, all I was saying is that our Defense has some very real problems that need to be ironed out before we play Florida!!! If you can't see that...then well....:crazy:
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I totally agree. Really frustrating to watch A-State March it straight down the field on final two possessions in fourth quarter. Shoop didn't coach well in this game either IMO.
 
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#143
jimallvol said:
Our offensive play calling was predictable as hell once again!
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There's things going on we never know or see. We weren't privy to the game plan and the OLine obviously will need some work. If the blocking schemes were working those dives and run initiated formation would be a lot more effective and obviously Dobbs was not in the major game plan to run the ball on designated formations. So yeah it's really easy to do the ole "terrible play call" bit but it's much deeper than that,
 
#144
#144
The offensive lineman looked out of shape and slow last night. Hopefully, they will play better moving or it could be a really long season.
 
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#145
Vols420 said:
I posted this in another thread before seeing this one open.. I think it is appropriate here too...

Why I think Georgia's the SEC East favorite in 2016 - SBNation.com


2. Tennessee could have some of the same problems.

Tennessee was bad in close games last year, and losing close games isn't necessarily predictive of how future close games will play out. If Tennessee can win more of them, this could work out. But there's an endemic factor that will likely cause Tennessee to continue to struggle in close games: offensive coordinator Mike DeBord.

Michigan fans were mostly perplexed when Butch Jones hired the former Wolverines coordinator before last season. For one thing, DeBord had no experience deploying the run-based spread scheme that would be ideal with Dobbs. For another, DeBord had spent his time after his second stint as Michigan's offensive coordinator as a position coach in the NFL and then an administrator for Michigan's Olympic sports.

In other words, based on the jobs he was forced to accept after 2007, the market reflected a lack of confidence in DeBord's skills as an offensive coordinator, until Jones plucked him out of middle management.

One look at DeBord's tenure as an offensive coordinator explains his descent into oblivion. When Michigan had great defenses (1997 and 2006), DeBord was passable. When Michigan needed anything substantial out of its offense, DeBord struggled. Some notable highlights:

With a starting lineup including three future NFL starters on the offensive line, an NFL starter at wide receiver, a future top-10 pick at another receiver spot, an NFL offensive rookie of the year at running back and Tom Brady at quarterback, DeBord coached an entire month in which the offense produced 12, 12, 15 and 21 points against teams that combined to go 15-30.
In 1999, Michigan missed a shot at the national title when DeBord wouldn't trust the aforementioned Brady to throw the ball, and thus Michigan blew a 20-point lead at home to Illinois. (Sound familiar, Vol fans?)
In 2006, Michigan had uncomfortably close calls against Penn State and Ball State, when the Wolverine offense couldn't be relied upon to put opponents out of sight.
DeBord was reputedly Lloyd Carr's preferred replacement and took a greater role in August preparations for the 2007 season. That season started with Michigan losing to Appalachian State.
In other words, DeBord came to Tennessee with a track record of being a conservative, not especially effective offensive coordinator. So when the Vols blew leads on a repeated basis in 2015, they were losing games in exactly the fashion that DeBord's track record would have suggested. If DeBord would not trust Tom Brady to throw the ball with a lead (except in obvious passing situations), then what makes us think that he'll be bolder with Dobbs? (Here's a case for DeBord to put more trust in his current quarterback.)
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Wow. This hits way to close to home.
 
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