DeBord is coming (merged)

[Elvis68Vol]

Thanks elvis.. Dont know how to respond so i'm just going stay calm and stare at the wall for a bit lol thanks man

I'm now close to the "acceptance" bit of this hire and I honestly hope I am so wrong about DeBord. I have never gone from complete exuberance to complete crap in a 24 hour period then over the last day.

 

[TNTUBA]

So,,,you going to opt out, get on board, or keep whining about something that is beyond any of our control? Rather simple. You guys are all lathered up over nothing but intangibles. Too old. Been out of coaching. Can't run the spread or can't coach the read. Basically, the man is ours. Judgement should come when the man can, or cannot get the job done. I've stated my opinion based on the man's experience - and resume - and knowledge of Butch's system.

Wait...what?

Who's whining?

You checked his resume and you are good with the hire?

Hope you don't make hire/fire decisions for what ever company employees you.

He has NEVER....check that..NEVER EVER ran a top tier offense.........EVVVVVEEERRRRRR. And he doesn't have ANY experience running the type of offense we run now at UT. He's basically a Gynecologist who was hired to be a Dentist. I mean they are really the same job.....minus the teeth.

 

[newokie03]

You better go do your homework.

1988-1991 Calloway Co HS(KY)
1993-1995 Mayfield HS (KY)
1993-1997 U of Ky- RB
2000 U of Ky - OC/WR
2003 Lexington Horseman
2006-2007 Troy OC
2007-2008 Auburn OC (fired mid season 2008)
2009 MTSU - OC
2010-2012 La Tech - OC
2013-present Cal OC

This Tony Franklin?

 

[SobeVol]

Bottom linethis hire is lackluster and a gamble.
He may be the comeback story of the decade.
A safer bet would have been to pick a guy kicking tail now not a guy hidden in a coat closet at a 3 win football team discussing proper tutu's with the gymnastics squad.
He here
I hate the hire,
I gotta suck up the disappointment and hope for the best.
I just wish once we would follow the lead of some other examples and go pick the man to lead.
Bama sucked, made a commitment to hire a proven college champion and they got championships.
We got lucky with Butch..... Lightening I don't think will strike us twice.
Good night gentlemen.

 

[Boca Vol]

fyp. (Definitely)

No. I'm pretty sure I had it right the 1st time.

The meltdown is coming in all over.

 

[SobeVol]

1988-1991 Calloway Co HS(KY)
1993-1995 Mayfield HS (KY)
1993-1997 U of Ky- RB
2000 U of Ky - OC/WR
2003 Lexington Horseman
2006-2007 Troy OC
2007-2008 Auburn OC (fired mid season 2008)
2009 MTSU - OC
2010-2012 La Tech - OC
2013-present Cal OC

This Tony Franklin?

Keep reading Wikipedia ! You are just on chapter one of his history. Keep digging. And why did he not do well at auburn? When you truly can answer that you are ready to sit at the debate table.
You are actually demonstrating how little you really know about him.

 

[thebjd]

No. I'm pretty sure I had it right the 1st time.

The meltdown is coming in all over.

This is almost like a gameday thread.

 

[vol66]

Once you get to know a little bit more about tony ( I know his history very well)- mumme and dykes were most instrumental in the develiopment, Tony was then brought into the fold studying byu's template and expanded upon it. Mike leach then joined them and further advance it into what is now known as the air raid offense you alluded to.

As I said Tony is considered one of the Modern spread offense ( Kirk herbstreet- actually calls him THE GURU OF THE SPREAD OFFENSE).
He now has clinics in which universities and schools pay him to teach them and their quarterbacks how to run the modern version.
He was available , coaching, cheaper, and kicked out butts on offensive stats. Oh he also helped coach lorensen and Tim couch.
You are right!
Bad choice he would have been!
Gimme a break!

Do I think it's a bad choice/option? If you want Dobbs and the rest to continue on the course they are on, then yes, I don't think he would even be on the list. If we were going to completely overhaul the system and start from scratch, he might be on the list.

Cheaper? How?

 

[gameday]

Yeah i hear you.. I keep telling myself top recruiting class, top recruiting class. I may have reservations to but at the same time i may just go with it. I never thought the def cordinator was a go but i was very pleasantly surprised. I'll just stick to banking unless i get a coaching job lol

 

[SobeVol]

Do I think it's a bad choice/option? If you want Dobbs and the rest to continue on the course they are on, then yes, I don't think he would even be on the list. If we were going to completely overhaul the system and start from scratch, he might be on the list.

Cheaper? How?

Spread is hardly an overhaul from read option. Our two new qb's would benefit from having a guy known for developing qb's ( as opposed to a ga).
I think he would do better. As for cheaper Franklin is being paid 505k lets see tomorrow what we pay debord😊

 

[KoachKletus]

You said Dooley would not and should not be fired during his last season as HC. If DeBord does well then I will be happy. If he doesn't, my loyalty is and will always be to the University and not the "hired caretaker" of the program. I don't think Butch would make a hire that would jeopardize his own career and future. All we need is a competent coach that can develop talent. We have the players to be elite again and really need substance over flash at this point in our rebuild. I am neither over joyed nor disgusted with the hire. Let's see how we play in the fall.

Please quote where I said Dooley would not and should not be fired. Please quote. I supported Coach Dooley up until the Mizzou disaster, I have no reservations about saying that - as many other Volnation members supported him. And we did simply because he was head coach at UT. As for DeBord, I will also support his hiring until he, or circumstances surrounding him, prove him not worthy of coaching at UT. IMO, he is more than competent at not only developing players at UT - but also developing the young coaches on board. NFL experience. College experience. Olympic experience. The highest level of athletics. The man has over 30 years of experience. Butch knows what he's buying.

 

[newokie03]

Keep reading Wikipedia ! You are just on chapter one of his history. Keep digging. And why did he not do well at auburn? When you truly can answer that you are ready to sit at the debate table.
You are actually demonstrating how little you really know about him.

Was it the ranking of 104 in offense at mid season? the classic 3-2 game against Mississippi St, the loss to Vanderbilt, the number of punts against our very own Vols or maybe the 5 touchdowns in his last 4 games as OC? Help me here, what am I missing?

 

[vol66]

Spread is hardly an overhaul from read option. Our two new qb's would benefit from having a guy known for developing qb's ( as opposed to a ga).
I think he would do better. As for cheaper Franklin is being paid 505k lets see tomorrow what we pay debord��

He's an air raid guy. Does Butch Jones seem like a guy that wants to throw it 50 times a game? CBJ seems every bit as conservative...well as anybody that has been a coach around here.

Look man, I love that offense, especially if you have the QB and the WR's to pull it off, but it's not from the same tree and that is very pertinent to this discussion and what the HC is trying to accomplish.

He's with Sonny for a reason at Cal.

 

[Icnddark]

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[SobeVol]

Was it the ranking of 104 in offense at mid season? the classic 3-2 game against Mississippi St, the loss to Auburn, the number of punts against our very own Vols or maybe the 5 touchdowns in his last 4 games as OC? Help me here, what am I missing?

A ton!
First he didn't even coach against us that season. Tubby after less than six months gave up on the spread because he didn't have the proper personell
To run the offense he hired the guy to run.
One can't go from power I to a spread with an immobile line and qb learning a very complex offense in four months. Tubby bailed on the offense and let him go after game three.
He went on to have great success with the offense and was finally picked up at cal and killed " butch's offense " in stats with a team with an average player below 3.0 stars.
The guy is a stud and a freaking offensive genius using a similar offense. He was my dream hire.
There are about four more with similar resumes that I would love to have had also. I have studied them pretty deeply and even read a book on tony.
Either way we have to make do.
Just wanted more for my team... So much freaking potential. Feel like we have a barn full of ferraris and we just hired Pacino from scent of a woman. Debord was good ( I'm not going to say great because when Michigan was winning the offenses were actually poor- (check the stats) their defenses carried them.
I was afraid the whole coaching "search" was a sham and I honestly believe this hire was set in his little journal from the get go.

 

[SobeVol]

He's an air raid guy. Does Butch Jones seem like a guy that wants to throw it 50 times a game? CBJ seems every bit as conservative...well as anybody that has been a coach around here.

Look man, I love that offense, especially if you have the QB and the WR's to pull it off, but it's not from the same tree and that is very pertinent to this discussion and what the HC is trying to accomplish.
He's with Sonny for a reason at Cal.

He was an air raid guy-that was years ago did you happen to see his current run pass yards ratio with his booming offense.
If you want to argue read first please.

 

[butchna]

Guys I'm new to the possible meltdown debate tonight and there is so many pages to go through. Has it been announce that he is actually hired? Just asking.. Thanks

How's your cousin?

 

[vol66]

He was an air raid guy-that was years ago did you happen to see his current run pass yards ratio with his booming offense.
If you want to argue read first please.

I see they ranked 10th in the PAC 12 in rushing offense and they also ranked 10th in rushing attempts, in a conference not known for great defenses.

Football Statistics | Pac-12

 

[newokie03]

A ton!
First he didn't even coach against us that season. Tubby after less than six months gave up on the spread because he didn't have the proper personell
To run the offense he hired the guy to run.
One can't go from power I to a spread with an immobile line and qb learning a very complex offense in four months. Tubby bailed on the offense and let him go after game three.
He went on to have great success with the offense and was finally picked up at cal and killed " butch's offense " in stats with a team with an average player below 3.0 stars.
The guy is a stud and a freaking offensive genius using a similar offense. He was my dream hire.
There are about four more with similar resumes that I would love to have had also. I have studied them pretty deeply and even read a book on tony.
Either way we have to make do.
Just wanted more for my team... So much freaking potential. Feel like we have a barn full of ferraris and we just hired Pacino from scent of a woman. Debord was good ( I'm not going to say great because when Michigan was winning the offenses were actually poor- (check the stats) their defenses carried them.
I was afraid the whole coaching "search" was a sham and I honestly believe this hire was set in his little journal from the get go.

September 27, 2008 at Jordan-Hare Stadium, final 14-12 AU, try again. And FWIW, he was fired after being hired in December of 2007 and coaching the bowl game. He had all off-season to implement his offense.

 

[gameday]

Alright butchna, i'm new to posting but i'll bite... Lol. My cousin??

 

[butchna]

Alright butchna, i'm new to posting but i'll bite... Lol. My cousin??

Don't leave your phone out and you'll do fine. :wink2: Welcome to the board?

 

[volinSmyrna]

I had to hope my instincts about Dooley would be proven wrong. Likewise, I hope DeBord proves me wrong. I really do. But my instincts have proven me right, when all the boot licking, sunshine pumping sheep here always gave me grief over voicing them (early on).

From Fulmer (needing to go), to Kiffin (not being qualified to hire and that we should have hired Gary Patterson or Brian Kelly instead...they had winning records to commend them to this position, whereas neither Kiffin nor Dooley did), to Dooley (being the worst choice, when Kevin Sumlin wanted the job and had a winning record/resume), to Wilcox (being a good hire...based yes, on resume), and Sunseri (no resume to commend him to the DC position).

The Common Denominator here is all the coaches I wanted us to hire....had a solid RESUME. All the bad hires, did not. So, when Butch says "I'm not hiring based on RESUME"...that makes me cringe, as a Vol fan. Because we have been down this road before, too often and with rotten luck.

He's not being hired here to coach NFL TE's. He's not being hired here to do "other little things" like olympic sports. If you cannot figure out that much, it's you who needs to do more research and spout less.

When Butch says "I'm not hiring the best RESUME"...that's a MAJOR red flag, right there. Why is that? Because EVERY FREAKIN TIME we've hired a coach who didn't have a suitable RESUME for the job, they have proven to be catastrophic hires. Clawson, Kiffin, Dooley, Sunseri.

By good thing, you mean like go 5-7 and then 7-6 after leaving his best QB riding the bench for most of the season? That sort of GOOD thing? :blink:

He's done well in recruiting, but he's not infallible. Saying this hire is about FIT is Bull. Their offensive philosophies are completely different.

On the recruiting trail, YES.

On the field...NO.

He's 12 & 13 in two seasons. Jury is still out, but returns thus far don't demand worship of the guy. All the more reason not to halt the momentum the recruiting has generated, with a hiring of a crony who doesn't even FIT....something Butch said was paramount for him.

Newsflash. DeBord is the WORST fit Butch could have sought. DeBoring ran a pro-style, ball-control...eat time off the clock, offense. Conversely, Butch runs a fast-paced, zone read offense...designed to run more and more offensive plays. Not less. It's designed to go go fast to wear teams down, rather than trying to keep the opponents offense off the field as long as possible. His offensive philosophy/concepts run completely counter to DeBord's.

So, with that being the case, what's all this BS about FIT? DeBord is NOT a good fit. Can he ADAPT/CHANGE?....maybe. But if that is what we are talking about, then it has NOTHING to do with....FIT.

It's more about past coaching relationships. The whole FIT routine was just a line of BS, as was this spurious coaching search. He never conducted any damn search. He called his bud up, had him in for a few days and hired him on the spot.

Notice in the NSD celebration last night...Butch caught himself saying they would try to HIRE by the end of the week. Before the word HIRE got completely out of his mouth....he paused and stated....ANNOUNCE.

He knows this whole search was a ruse. I like Butch in many regards, but I'm not going to kneel down, lick his boots and worship the guy like some of the sheep here, do.

I see YOU still like bolding RANDOM words.

 

[dduncan4163]

Butch has said the system won't change. This is his offense and he isn't going to let anyone muck it up. I look forward to see what Debord calls come the spring came.

 

[SobeVol]

September 27, 2008 at Jordan-Hare Stadium, final 14-12 AU, try again. And FWIW, he was fired after being hired in December of 2007 and coaching the bowl game. He had all off-season to implement his offense.

I stand correct on coaching against us that year, he was fired the week after. You are correct. He was hired in dec. he got to start coaching his new players in June which is indeed <6 mos. spread is very complex they didn't have time to implement it or the mobile linemen or qb to run it. How many oc get less than a season to implement? Point still stands
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[dhvolfan32]

coaching matters just as much as talent. look at the latter fulmer years.

You win championships by winning on the recruiting trail pal. Bama, FSU, and OSU have won in recruiting and on the field. Coaching absolutely matters but so does recruiting. Its really a sign of the times IMO.