Debate the hiring of Lane Kiffin here (Merged)

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Vols5150 said:
I'm not giving him one year.....my point is that we'll know one way or another by this time next yr whether he does have the ability (or potential) to pull this off.
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Gotcha. That we will know.
Personally i'm not expecting anything great next year.
Losses to Bama, UF for sure. If we are close i'd be pleased. by year 3 we better be double digit favorites.
 
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Vols5150 said:
I’m going to get slammed for this, but so be it. I love this program as much as anyone, so I’ll voice my $.02 as does the next guy. What surprises me most about many of the characters on this board is that if you take a position opposite the majority, you’re either a “fulmerite”, “negavol”, or whatever. I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade, I just think some things are so obvious it’s extremely difficult to sit back and let it go.

Phil is history. We can all agree on that.

But what we don’t agree on is Kiffin and his ability to take us to the next level. Watching the presser confirmed what I believed all along……..this guy doesn’t have a clue what he just stepped into. He literally looked like a “deer in the headlights”, and even his attempt to connect with the Faithful seemed forced. I’m sure to him this is the “Job of all Jobs” and rightly so. But without coaching a game, it is so apparent that he is way, way, way out of his league.

Miss St. might have been a better fit for him. At a place where just making it to a bowl game is enough, Kiffin might have fit right in. At a place where it is understood that you’re probably never going to make it to the SEC Championship Game and it is definite that you’re never going to win it, Kiffin could have found a place to grow. Instead, he has landed at a place where, no matter what you all are saying now, if you don’t beat UF in 3 years, you’re a goner.

I wish the man luck. I want him to succeed. I think we have the support, facilities, and players to succeed. I just don’t think we have the right coach.

I hope I’m wrong. But believe it or not, it won’t take 3 yrs to find out. At this time next year, everyone will be a believer….one way or the other.
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I have responded to your nonsense in several different threads already so I will not trouble the fine folk here with it again. If this selection is so troublesome for you, why do you hang around here? I heard Michigan is looking to replace some of the fan base they lost this year. Maybe they will enjoy your insight. We, on the other hand, are tired of your dribble. So, lets make a deal. You go away for a couple of years and then we will talk about where things stand. Lane Kiffen was a great selection and we are on our way back to the top. Have a nice day! :peace2:
 
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3L with debt said:
Who cares what Pete Carrol has to say? What would you expect him to say? He does not have a personal stake in this one way or another.
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I'd expect him to tell the truth and give his honest opinion knowing that he has nothing to gain or lose by stating his opinion. Why would it benefit him to lie and publicly say that Kiffin was a great hire if he really thought he was a terrible hire? Pete has been pretty successful at USC, so yeah I do care what he has to say on the issue having worked w/ Kiffin.
 
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justingroves said:
I'd say paying the bills is a personal matter.

This is what irks me. It IS a business. A huge, multi-million dollar business. It is not a family. It IS about money.

It's how things work. Don't be niave about it.
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Of course, it is a business. You lost me with this post.
 
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3L with debt said:
To be honest, I don't see the point of the post. Obviously, you know better than me since you live there but even from your thread, I see a AD that worked on getting the best he could. At the time, both Saban and RR were celebrated as two of the best in college football.

Again, as I posted earlier, I don't care what my AD has to do to get the best coach. When my friends are bragging about wins and I all I can say is that my AD did one heck of a professional job in refusing counter offers from the best and hired a guy with a losing record, I just don't get the same enjoyment.
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Ah, now it makes sense. You don't want the "best" coach; you want the biggest name coach. Keep in mind that there is only partial overlap between the two. I remember two or three of my Gator friends being disappointed in the Urban Meyer hire. "What in the hell are we doing hiring a coach from UTAH?!?" Etc.

I assume you would have been disappointed with Kelly or Patterson too. Gruden or Davis or Cowher were the only coaches you were interested in, right?
 
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RockyTopJA said:
I'd expect him to tell the truth and give his honest opinion knowing that he has nothing to gain or lose by stating his opinion. Why would it benefit him to lie and publicly say that Kiffin was a great hire if he really thought he was a terrible hire? Pete has been pretty successful at USC, so yeah I do care what he has to say on the issue having worked w/ Kiffin.
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The statements were gratuitous. No more, no less.
 
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3L with debt said:
Of course, it is a business. You lost me with this post.
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He's implying that MH has stock in Kiffin's success b/c it will probably affect his financial status, for better or for worse, depending on how LK does as HC. MH has to believe that this guy can turn the team around b/c he knows that if he doesn't get the job done he'll probably be out of a job, thus unable to pay the bills.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Ah, now it makes sense. You don't want the "best" coach; you want the biggest name coach. Keep in mind that there is only partial overlap between the two. I remember two or three of my Gator friends being disappointed in the Urban Meyer hire. "What in the hell are we doing hiring a coach from UTAH?!?" Etc.

I assume you would have been disappointed with Kelly or Patterson too. Gruden or Davis or Cowher were the only two coaches you were interested in, right?
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You put a square peg in a round hole. I want the best coach so that I can enjoy Saturdays again. I base the hire on the information available... So, please forgive me when I get upset because my AD hired the candidate with a losing record.
 
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#187
If you think CLK looked like a "deer in headlights" then what in the Hell did Fulmer look like every week? He never looked like he knew what he was talking about.

Lane gave me confidence in what we can do and thats all we can ask for until we play. Our guys have to buy in to what he is saying to be successful. IMO Clawson is actually a good coach but none of the guys either bought in to it or that couldn't understand it. He wasn't the right fit.

Settle down guys give him a chance. It could have gone either way with any coach out there. Even the almighty Gruden, Davis, or the most overrated Cowher who had no experience except as a player.
 
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3L with debt said:
The statements were gratuitous. No more, no less.
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Does Carroll really come across as someone who throws out compliments left and right? I think Pete's statements should be taken as true statements about Lane's abilities b/c, while he was praising LK, he was putting his own credibility in judging talent on the line. If he didn't think Lane could get it done and praised him anyway he could end up looking foolish if Lane flops. Taken that way you have to think Carroll believes 100% that Lane can get it done.
 
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3L with debt said:
You put a square peg in a round hole. I want the best coach so that I can enjoy Saturdays again. I base the hire on the information available... So, please forgive me when I get upset because my AD hired the candidate with a losing record.
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Butch Davis had a losing record his first year with North Carolina; after two years, he's still only 13-13. Gruden has a 53-51 record in most of seven years in Tampa, including three losing seasons. Spurrier started off 5-6 at Duke, and had a losing record with the Redskins. Pete Carroll started off his career as a head coach with a losing season with the Jets, and he only went 6-6 in his first year at USC. Tom Landry went 0-11-1 in his first year as a head coach, and didn't have a winning season until his seventh season. Chuck Noll started out 1-13, and didn't have a winning season until his 4th year.

The point is this: even great coaches have crappy records when they take over crummy situations. Pluck any legendary coach you want -- anybody -- and ask him to coach 20 games with the 2007-8 Oakland Raiders; he's going to give you a losing record. I have no idea what kind of coach Lane Kiffin is going to turn out to be, but holding that 5-15 record in Oakland against him as evidence that he's a losing coach is ridiculous.
 
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The guy wasn't scared or a deer in headlights. He was overly excited.

I'm not saying that it qualifies him as being the best coach in the country, which is what I want him to be. I'm just saying that he looked really excited to be our coach and really excited to rope and wrangle this bull.

I'm behind him, win all or lose all for 2 years. Year 3 better have us back in the SEC game, and a win over UF. I'll give him plenty of time. He better give me plenty to cheer about after 2 years.
 
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Vols5150 said:
Wow. You really have me pegged. Especially considering this is your first post.
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Not to hard to follow one link from another and put 2+2 together.
I've the seen the same basic post with the "deer in the headlights" metaphor from a certain Raider fan/Lane Kiffin hater who also happens to be a Vol fan on a certain Raider fan message board.
The coincidence is too much to ignore, yes?
 
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To me the bottom line is this. To be successful, Kiffin is going to have to outcoach Meyer and Saban consistently. That is one tall order.

I think Kiffin is a good coach, but he will have to be a great coach to beat those guys consistently. They are two of the best in the country. I'm not ready to say he can do that, but I do like what I've read about his father and the staff rumors.
 
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jesus christ another one of these threads?
1. Fulmer is gone get over it
2. quit whining,kiffin is here to stay
3. his first year is gonna be rocky,as all 1st years are.so dont be coming back in here saying i told u so if thats the case
4. accept the fact that kiffin is our coach
5. accept the fact that kiffin is our coach
6. accept the fact that kiffin is our coach
7. accept the fact that kiffin is our coach
8. accept the fact that kiffin is our coach
 
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Wow. You really have me pegged. Especially considering this is your first post.
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Since when does post count come into consideration when someone has you pegged? I've got a friend who currently trolls these boards. Been doing it for a really long time; alot longer than I've been posting on here. And I'd swear to you that he's got the mannerisms of several of you down. In fact, we discussed this very subject last week. Some people make valid posts and theories, while others are just asshats.

I'm not calling anyone names here, by the way, but I think discrediting someone because their post count states they might be a "noob" is a short-sighted notation.
 
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oklavol said:
To me the bottom line is this. To be successful, Kiffin is going to have to outcoach Meyer and Saban consistently. That is one tall order.

I think Kiffin is a good coach, but he will have to be a great coach to beat those guys consistently. They are two of the best in the country. I'm not ready to say he can do that, but I do like what I've read about his father and the staff rumors.
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Tennessee was pretty successful in the 90s, and Fulmer never outcoached Spurrier once until maybe 2001. It's not like he's got to sit down and play chess with Meyer and Saban or anything. To be successful, Kiffin's just got to beat all the teams that Tennessee's "supposed" to beat (which includes making UGA one of those teams we're supposed to beat again) and play Meyer and Saban to a draw. That will be enough to get us to Atlanta on a regular basis, get BCS at-large bids, etc.

(Now if only Kiffin can win in the Georgia Dome once in awhile.)
 
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Vols5150 But what we don’t agree on is Kiffin and his ability to take us to the next level. Watching the presser confirmed what I believed all along……..this guy doesn’t have a clue what he just stepped into. He literally looked like a “deer in the headlights”, and even his attempt to connect with the Faithful seemed forced. I’m sure to him this is the “Job of all Jobs” and rightly so. But without coaching a game, it is so apparent that he is way, way, way out of his league.



First of all, you have every right to your opinion.

Second, a lot of folks think you are correct.

Finally, I like the fact you hope you are wrong.


We will find out that's for sure! A lot of national reports etc. are expressing that same feeling that Tennessee made a bad hire. I don't think we made a poor hire for several reasons. Kiffin wants to win and get the bad rap off him, he has desire to compete and win at the highest of level.....you have got to have balls to go into the NFL as a HC at 31, and even bigger ones to go to the Raiders. Kiffin wanted the Tennessee job not just a college HC anywhere. He wants to be in big time, play against the best, and beat the best. Lane wasn't scared of the SEC nor Curly, Moe, and Larry of UA, UGA, and UF. I do believe Lane will have some OJT since he hasn't been the HC of a college program before, which is different than the NFL, but all college HC's have to start somewhere. The Bell curve maybe slow in the beginning, but I think he will have the UT program back in the spotlight again....it will just take a little time and a lot of hard work for Kiffin and company.
 
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Vols5150 said:
I’m going to get slammed for this, but so be it. I love this program as much as anyone, so I’ll voice my $.02 as does the next guy. What surprises me most about many of the characters on this board is that if you take a position opposite the majority, you’re either a “fulmerite”, “negavol”, or whatever. I’m not trying to rain on anyone’s parade, I just think some things are so obvious it’s extremely difficult to sit back and let it go.

Phil is history. We can all agree on that.

But what we don’t agree on is Kiffin and his ability to take us to the next level. Watching the presser confirmed what I believed all along……..this guy doesn’t have a clue what he just stepped into. He literally looked like a “deer in the headlights”, and even his attempt to connect with the Faithful seemed forced. I’m sure to him this is the “Job of all Jobs” and rightly so. But without coaching a game, it is so apparent that he is way, way, way out of his league.

Miss St. might have been a better fit for him. At a place where just making it to a bowl game is enough, Kiffin might have fit right in. At a place where it is understood that you’re probably never going to make it to the SEC Championship Game and it is definite that you’re never going to win it, Kiffin could have found a place to grow. Instead, he has landed at a place where, no matter what you all are saying now, if you don’t beat UF in 3 years, you’re a goner.

I wish the man luck. I want him to succeed. I think we have the support, facilities, and players to succeed. I just don’t think we have the right coach.

I hope I’m wrong. But believe it or not, it won’t take 3 yrs to find out. At this time next year, everyone will be a believer….one way or the other.
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his dads not gonna allow him to fail thats why montes coming here to ensure the future for his son because if clk fails here its pretty much over with and montes more qualified then anyone in the ncaa.
 
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