Dear Vol fans:

[mickey1969]

If A J is Charged & Found Guilty of of forcible Rape he needs to pay the price for his crime ( that goes for Williams too), but if the accuser told a lie to her boy friend to cover up her infidelity & he insisted that she call the Police, then she needs to be charged !!!! No names should have been released until an arrest was made (Thanks Knoxville Media, maybe the next time the local media can take up money & form a lynch mob before anyone is arrested) !!!! Coach Jones has made the right decision in this matter !!!! Both players would have been booed by their own fans if they would have announced their names after these accusations, guilty or not, since their names were made public !!!! Hopefully the rest of the team will learn from this & use better judgement in their personal interactions as a result of this disaster !!!! None of these kids will recover from this mess any time soon; they are all victims, no matter who the CRIMINAL turns out to be !!!! GO VOLS----BEAT missouri; We Are The Vol Nation !!!!!

 

[Elhanan]

I thought a person was innocent until proven guilty. He should play.....

ding ding.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Sorry OP. I think Jones did the right thing, as did Muschamp and Richt when confronted with analogous situations. Jimbo did the opposite and my opinions of him, his program and his players ain't so great.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Serious question here. Why has AJ's name not been concealed?

A nameless faceless accuser has already made AJ an "alleged rapist". Why is it acceptable for him to be exposed for a crime, but for her identity to be concealed as an accuser?

Very curious as to how this is just in a legal way.

It's the law. Rape shield law. Don't like it? Run for office.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

I never want to here anybody on here making fun of FSU and Winston again. The way some of you have acted with the news of AJ makes us no better than their fans. It's amazing to me that, without any facts whatsoever, you can crucify the alleged victim. People want her name released? That may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
I think people sometimes blur the lines of what is and what isn't important. A girl allegedly being raped? Important. A football player being able to play on Saturday? Not important.

We are all Vol fans but please for the love of God stop embarrassing our fanbase.

Don't ever compare this situation to the one at FSU, AJ was suspended immediately for his "alleged" actions. All of this was handled in the right way, now are there a few who are acting like idiots about it sure there's always going to be. But there's just as many like you ready to crucify AJ without any evidence to support your case. Don't ***** about the other side when both are entitled to their opinions even after the facts come out. I'm not going to judge either party in the situation because that's not my job nor is it yours. Both will answer to a higher power one day, but I can guarantee it won't be to you.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Just to make sure you're consistent, if this was a starting LB at Alabama or Florida you would be just as outraged at the releasing of their names in the same scenario....correct?

Just to be consistent, what is it to you if I do or don't care about them as much as I do our own? They have their own team, fans and legal system to sort all of that out on their own. They aren't one of our own, so naturally I'm not as concerned for their plight.

You aren't concerned for a stranger's plight when their kid has a fever and is taken to the hospital. But you certainly would if it were your own. Stop it with the stupid Straw Man arguments.

You don't get to put words in my mouth, that I never said. So, lets get that straight, right now. I don't prejudge a player, regardless of whose team he plays for. We ought to know by now, from recent history that fake accusations happen quite frequently, where celebrity and money are involved.

 

[Fijivol72]

I never want to here anybody on here making fun of FSU and Winston again. The way some of you have acted with the news of AJ makes us no better than their fans. It's amazing to me that, without any facts whatsoever, you can crucify the alleged victim. People want her name released? That may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
I think people sometimes blur the lines of what is and what isn't important. A girl allegedly being raped? Important. A football player being able to play on Saturday? Not important.

We are all Vol fans but please for the love of God stop embarrassing our fanbase.

I strongly doubt your scolding will work. The comparison is bogus and most on here know it. You are entitled to your opinion, but you should realize many others disagree and they are entitled to their view. Now try to tone down your rhetoric.

 

[kentucky sucks]

And who, exactly, gave you a soapbox to stand on, so you could preach to us? Your interpreting that wanting EQUAL protection for the accused = mistreatment of the accuser, is frankly...

I never want to see you post here, again. Ok?

That dog ate a peach pit. I can see it in its eyes.

 

[EZE]

I call BS. Our coach and institution have handled this far better than FSU. You cannot control a few idiots on a message board. Especially when the majority of posters are level headed. Get over yourself.

I will continue to put down FSU all day long.

Thank you.

 

[Give_All_Vol]

I'm late to the party but you are blind if you don't see how this was handled in a far more respectable way than what has been going on at FSU.

 

[Volfan2012]

Not taking a position either way. One thing is for certain AJ put himself in a bad position even guilty or not guilty. If your with women at your place at 2 am in the morning the little head is doing all the thinking for you.

 

[VolSteve]

Not taking a position either way. One thing is for certain AJ put himself in a bad position even guilty or not guilty. If your with women at your place at 2 am in the morning the little head is doing all the thinking for you.

WUT! You got something against a man being with a woman?

 

[Smokey1210]

I myself would have been one of the guys saying let him play innocent until proven guilty up until I became a father. I could not imagine if this was my daughter and a university took the stand of innocent until proven guilty. The reality is that this is an allegation until there are charges but this is a very serious allegation one in which charges will be brought on one of the parties. One for RAPE or the other for falsely accusing. If the decision is to not charge him because he was falsely accused he will not have lost anything but his SR. day (big deal) however if he is guilty no way on earth this man should ever play another down of football and get monitary benefits for doing so. My tax dollars pay for the scholarships these "young men" play on and it is the university's job to make sure they are going to people deserving. No way they can honestly say at this point it is ok for him to be on the football field.

 

[Smokey1210]

One more thing. If you own a company would you hire a man that is under investigation of rape or would you let the police do their job and come to a decision prior to you making yours. Just another way of looking at it.

 

[SmokeyLives]

I never want to here anybody on here making fun of FSU and Winston again. The way some of you have acted with the news of AJ makes us no better than their fans. It's amazing to me that, without any facts whatsoever, you can crucify the alleged victim. People want her name released? That may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
I think people sometimes blur the lines of what is and what isn't important. A girl allegedly being raped? Important. A football player being able to play on Saturday? Not important.

We are all Vol fans but please for the love of God stop embarrassing our fanbase.

Where do we sign up for your lessons on how to walk on water?:salute::salute::salute::salute:

 

[volstuff37641]

Serious question here. Why has AJ's name not been concealed?

A nameless faceless accuser has already made AJ an "alleged rapist". Why is it acceptable for him to be exposed for a crime, but for her identity to be concealed as an accuser?

Very curious as to how this is just in a legal way.

AGREE,don't understand the love everybody want to give te woman in this case.Why is keeping her name a big secert such a big deal.IMO she should have to go thru the same embasserment that she is putting the man through.

 

[djwes]

I'm actually sick of this guilty until proven innocent crap from idiot student leaders who appoint themselves the moral guardians of the university. It's perfectly ok a assume AJs guilt but don't dare question the female (I dont use victim because it's not proven yet, in fact AJ may be the victim). Certainly a female has never misrepresented a sexual encounter when she thought better of her choices later, attempted to manipulate a situation for personal gain it or God forbid just been plain mental.

It was so risky when I was a fraternity president we mandated brothers get a form signed from the girl and a witness and a brother witness stating that she agreed to sexual intercourse. It did not fully indemnify the brother but went a long way to establish consent.

I would recommend at least a date and time stamped phone video if consent.

If AJ did it then appropriate actions must be taken, if this is a ploy from the female , I hope AJ gets a great attorney and bankrupts her family in civil court.

I have family and friends who have been true victims of sexual assault & rape so I'm very much in favor of severe punishment. But as a male I hate that we as a gender are always assumed to be the party at fault.

 

[RollerVol]

Although I agree there are those that make us look bad, there's a difference between fans making light of it and an entire institution and police dept. turning a blind eye

Just curious. Where does this info "entire institution and police dept. turning a blind eye" come from?
I guess I missed that. Can you please explain it to me like I'm four years old? :whistling:

GO VOLS!

 

[Kurtastrophe]

I never want to here anybody on here making fun of FSU and Winston again.

 

[ChattanoogaVols]

I never want to here anybody on here making fun of FSU and Winston again. The way some of you have acted with the news of AJ makes us no better than their fans. It's amazing to me that, without any facts whatsoever, you can crucify the alleged victim. People want her name released? That may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
I think people sometimes blur the lines of what is and what isn't important. A girl allegedly being raped? Important. A football player being able to play on Saturday? Not important.

We are all Vol fans but please for the love of God stop embarrassing our fanbase.

No one should be punished over only accusations. No one. Ever. I saw this play out first hand in college (UTC). Six of my teammates were accused of rape. They were raked through the coals, and eventually charged. Everyone was up in arms, calling for life sentences.

Then the facts came out.

Long story short, she had consensual sex with the six players; there was never a shred of evidence against them, aside from her accusations. The day after the rape allegedly occurred, she was at the UTC football game, covered in body paint, cheering on those same players who she would accuse of gang-raping her two days later (after word of her promiscuity began to spread, embarrassing her). The charges against all six were eventually dropped, but not before their reputations were forever tarnished and they were suspended from the team/university.

False accusations happen far too often. The UT players should not be punished when the only "evidence" against them are accusations. I can't speak for others, but I said the same thing about Jameis when he was being investigated last year (and I can't stand the guy). If the facts come out and prove that they raped her, then throw them and jail and lose the key. Until then, it is absurd to punish someone who is presumed innocent, especially in the absence of proof showing otherwise.

Oh yeah, and the girl that accused the UTC players of rape? She was free to go about her life as if she didn't try to ruin the lives of six people after getting embarrassed when her actions became public. The players will always have that "rape" tag w/them - the internet is forever.

 

[Aerie Vol]

I myself would have been one of the guys saying let him play innocent until proven guilty up until I became a father. I could not imagine if this was my daughter and a university took the stand of innocent until proven guilty. The reality is that this is an allegation until there are charges but this is a very serious allegation one in which charges will be brought on one of the parties. One for RAPE or the other for falsely accusing. If the decision is to not charge him because he was falsely accused he will not have lost anything but his SR. day (big deal) however if he is guilty no way on earth this man should ever play another down of football and get monitary benefits for doing so. My tax dollars pay for the scholarships these "young men" play on and it is the university's job to make sure they are going to people deserving. No way they can honestly say at this point it is ok for him to be on the football field.

Hey dad, you got any sons? I do.

They've all been told to keep it in their pants until they're married, but what if one of them fails to do so and finds himself FALSELY accused of rape? Would I want his name dragged through the mud? Would I want him to miss out on once in a lifetime opportunities simply because of another person's lies?

I also have a daughter. I'd have a hard time waiting on the legal system if she told me something like this happened to her. However, that's between me and him. The public shouldn't see his name.



Unless they read the obituaries. :hi:

AV

 

[Pride85]

Careful - I'm not sure there's a person on here who would EVER push aside a woman who'd been horribly wronged so that a favorite player could take the field.

There's an almost impossible balance that fans on this site are trying to reach:

1 // Hope that this is all just a nightmare, and AJ Johnson didn't do what he's allegedly accused of.

2 // Resign ourselves that if what's being reported is the truth, that justice is served (as it should be).

That's the reality we're in. If the rape didn't happen, there's no reason fans shouldn't be able to hold out hope (and express that hope) for AJ to triumphantly take the field on Saturday...if the rape did happen, then that will bring a massive amount of frustration, disappointment, etc - not to mention affect so many people beyond those at the center.

I'd challenge you not to fault a passionate fanbase simply for hoping one of their favorites didn't commit a horrible crime.

Have you actually read the posts the OP is refering too? I too hope that neither AJ nor Mike Williams commited a horrible crime. That does not excuse the vilification of all involved including the accuser. Justice needs to be served be it rapist or false accuser, but no one on this site has a "right" to the details until resolution is reached. I guarantee that the more inhuman responses are being parodied on other sites by our collection of trolls.

 

[Volwalker2110]

Winston has a career of bad decisions, please don't even put him in the same category as AJ.

AJ has a history of standing up for women. Just last year he got in trouble for throwing a guy out of a party who was treating a woman poorly. And correct me if I'm wrong but he had a altercation of some sort with this guy.

Finally, if I'm not mistaken this young lady has a history of accusations. The FL. friend wanted no part of this, Bowles has went MIA since the event. We have text messages, from my understanding, that corroborate AJ's story. Rape is awful and is a crime that should warrant a death sentence, however these young men are going to have to learn to protect themselves from events such as this. AJ was looking at making a lot of money in the future and the number of false accusations are on the rise.

Disclaimer: I am by no means saying rape doesn't happen. I am however saying please use common sense, not political correctness or a witch hunt approach when looking at the facts in light of this event.

 

[Volwalker2110]

One more thing. If you own a company would you hire a man that is under investigation of rape or would you let the police do their job and come to a decision prior to you making yours. Just another way of looking at it.

Not at all a reasonable comparison. Your comparing hiring someone you don't know, to a man who has been here for 4 years. I guess we should fire anyone who ever been talked about negatively now???

 

[o3marine52]

I never want to here anybody on here making fun of FSU and Winston again. The way some of you have acted with the news of AJ makes us no better than their fans. It's amazing to me that, without any facts whatsoever, you can crucify the alleged victim. People want her name released? That may be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
I think people sometimes blur the lines of what is and what isn't important. A girl allegedly being raped? Important. A football player being able to play on Saturday? Not important.

We are all Vol fans but please for the love of God stop embarrassing our fanbase.

Where you lost me is allegedly. Allegedly doesn't mean anything, and is not important at all. Now if she was in fact "raped" then we have an issue.

What is idiotic to me is you people who will judge him and would see him punished over an allegation. As i have stated numerous times in other posts. Allegations happen all the time where the alleged victim is doing it simply bc she feels guilty the next day.

How about we let the investigators do their work.