DC Black Hawk vs Plane crash, Philly Crash. Malicious, or incompotence?

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KB5252 said:
Dealing with 35 degree water there from one report I saw. If they hadn't found survivors within minutes it was over.
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I agree there are likely no survivors, I guess I was just explaining why I didn't say "sorry for your loss, everyone's dead" until it's confirmed
 
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lawgator1 said:
Trump said DEI might be to blame.

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I'll say it. F$ck him and his off the cuff b s statements when he doesn't know what he's talking about. Complete jerk.
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As a person, Trump is a piece of sh*t.

As a leader, well...this is his leadership. Blame, blame, blame. He is running the WH like he's on a campaign. The implication that this happened because a person of color might be in the ATC tower is abhorrent. 65 dead? Blame the colored person. Know who isn't getting hired for ATC right now? Anyone. Because Trump let his P2025 handlers freeze all hiring, regardless of the personal costs.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
TDS has now reached levels that seem to have destroyed your ability to coherently type. Are you ok? Do you need help?
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It's not TDS to think Trump is being an absolute moron here. You can't justify his comments on this and you surely can't explain that away.
You started this thread with absolute nonsense conspiracy and now you're in here on TDS because people are upset he's blaming ATC staffers for it with zero understanding of the cause of the accident?
 
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walkenvol said:
And what is your personal experience in the aviation world that makes you the all knowing one on the topic?
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In this case, it seems we can hear the ATC doing his job. The idea that some DEI hires caused 65 deaths is BS. That **** plays to political rallies, but as the President, I think he should understand when to shut up.
 
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He could have offered condolences, as would be proper. He could even say he wants to ensure a thorough investigation to prevent it from happening again. Blaming DEI or anyone else for this, 12 hours into it, is just pure Trump jackassery.
 
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jwells said:
As a person, Trump is a piece of sh*t.

As a leader, well...this is his leadership. Blame, blame, blame. He is running the WH like he's on a campaign. The implication that this happened because a person of color might be in the ATC tower is abhorrent. 65 dead? Blame the colored person. Know who isn't getting hired for ATC right now? Anyone. Because Trump let his P2025 handlers freeze all hiring, regardless of the personal costs.
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DEI covers much more than people of color.

I hate the way he brought this up. Wasn't the time or the place. It's classic Trump though. I have no problem with people finding that video or him disgusting because of it

But to his overarching point I believe he is correct. You want the best candidate period, especially when people lives are on the line. That part I agree with, should never allow yourself or anyone else to limit the candidate pool when searching for the best candidate.
 
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jwells said:
Never let a tragedy go to waste.

Hell of a piece of ******** by a man who has apparently placed a freeze on ATC hiring.
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Honest question: how would a +/- 1 week-old hiring freeze have averted this tragedy? I ask, because I am not aware of the onboarding/training that ATCs (especially those at major airports like Reagan International) go through once they are offered and accept a position.
 
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lawgator1 said:
He could have offered condolences, as would be proper. He could even say he wants to ensure a thorough investigation to prevent it from happening again. Blaming DEI or anyone else for this, 12 hours into it, is just pure Trump jackassery.
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True. He could have offered condolences. Left the podium. Pooped himself. Got cleaned up. Napped the rest of the day. And continued doing nothing for 4 years as our world was at war, our southern border was under invasion, and our daughters were being murdered by violent immigrants. But he’s not Joe Biden. So get used to it!
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Is literally nothing a conspiracy to you? especially after the last decade of insanity? What angers you about people finding unusual circumstances, unusual and asking questions? Why do you always knee jerk defend the status quo? This was an extremely odd set of events, and hopefully those investigating it have a little bit more ability to ask questions then blindly accepting any and everything they hear from the MSM or official sources. This very well may just have been an accident. But if so it's a one in a million set of events.

A "Conspiracy" is merely 2 or more individuals conspiring to achieve an objective. There is nothing irrational or odd about the word. It is literally the process on which the majority of human history has taken place. The American Revolution was a conspiracy. We did in fact conspire to leave the British Empire and create a new country. 9/11 was a conspiracy regardless of who you beleieved was responsible. Covering up alternative treatments in order to push MRNA experiemental medication under emergency provisions was a conspiracy wether or not you think that was a good or bad thing. It is irrefutable that censorship was used to stifle questions, and any other form of treatment in order to push a treatment that was highly profitable, but ultimately not tested, or safe. The Russian hoax was very much a conspiracy and involved many intelligence and politicans LYING openly in order to politically work against a candidate. There is nothing wrong with the word "conspiracy" ...or unsuaul about it. Anyone who studies history understands more often then not conspiracies guide history. Anyone who keeps track of buisiness sees conspiracies every day....call it "wheeling and dealing", but it's the same idea, men of power will make plans in secret in order to achieve desired results. The weaponization of the word "conspiracy" or "conspiracy theory" can be demonstrably shown to have been a policy and propoganda line by the CIA to squelch questioning the events of the JFK assassination. before that "conspiracy theory" was hardly ever used. Their own documents show this was a tactic to shut people up. hilariously they literally used a conspiracy that is public knowledge now "Operation mocking bird" to push that phrase. You now proudly weild that phrase to deride and mock people questioning a narrative.

I did not actually state anything about a conspiracy here. Rather I posted a topic on the crash as it is news and the very unusaul circumstance, as i think there are valid questions to be asked. My literal statement was to the effect "this seems fishy". Really went out on a limb didn't I? when even the pilot expert on CNN said the same. My real question is why is your natural tendency to mock any questioning of main stream narrative? Why are you annoyed by people finding suspicious circumstances suspicious? What does it matter to you? Why do you feel obligated to attack questioning narrative by a media conglomoration that has for the past decade constantly tried to bend politics and narrative for political gain? I'm not out of pocket here... I find it weird some people's need to defend being naive. Sorry if questioning events hurts your feels. Get over it.
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Type words. Say nothing.

Only confirm what was already a known known.
 
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jwells said:
As a person, Trump is a piece of sh*t.

As a leader, well...this is his leadership. Blame, blame, blame. He is running the WH like he's on a campaign. The implication that this happened because a person of color might be in the ATC tower is abhorrent. 65 dead? Blame the colored person. Know who isn't getting hired for ATC right now? Anyone. Because Trump let his P2025 handlers freeze all hiring, regardless of the personal costs.
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DEI doesn’t mean black skinned
 
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lawgator1 said:
He could have offered condolences, as would be proper. He could even say he wants to ensure a thorough investigation to prevent it from happening again. Blaming DEI or anyone else for this, 12 hours into it, is just pure Trump jackassery.
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Trump actually did both. Did you even watch the news conference? He started with a moment of silence and then offered his condolences and he did promise a thorough investigation to prevent this from happening again. It's almost like you are commenting without evening knowing what Trump said in his speech. Maybe you should see the whole news conference instead of picking parts and pieces that fit your narrative.
 
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jwells said:
As a person, Trump is a piece of sh*t.

As a leader, well...this is his leadership. Blame, blame, blame. He is running the WH like he's on a campaign. The implication that this happened because a person of color might be in the ATC tower is abhorrent. 65 dead? Blame the colored person. Know who isn't getting hired for ATC right now? Anyone. Because Trump let his P2025 handlers freeze all hiring, regardless of the personal costs.
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DEI is way more than race. Get over the pity party crap
 
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VOLS INC. said:
True. He could have offered condolences. Left the podium. Pooped himself. Got cleaned up. Napped the rest of the day. And continued doing nothing for 4 years as our world was at war, our southern border was under invasion, and our daughters were being murdered by violent immigrants. But he’s not Joe Biden. So get used to it!
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That's such a ridiculous cover for Trump's lack of professionalism.

Based on his own tribal instincts, Donald Trump has already jumped to a conclusion before an NTSB investigation has even started .... and you think he is above criticism for it? Ridiculous.
 
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TheDirector said:
Trump actually did both. Did you even watch the news conference? He started with a moment of silence and then offered his condolences and he did promise a thorough investigation to prevent this from happening again. It's almost like you are commenting without evening knowing what Trump said in his speech. Maybe you should see the whole news conference instead of picking parts and pieces that fit your narrative.
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Except he didn't just leave it at that and had to say something stupid. All he had to do was offer condolences, start an investigation and be quiet until all the bodies have been recovered. It's what any decent human being would do
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Sheeps got to sheep.
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My previous comment checks out:
05_never_again said:
Psychosis and a superiority complex. For many, I think the "rush" conspiracy theorists get from pushing the theories is the fantasy that they are smarter/know more than everybody else. To a person, everybody I know in real life who believes in them has a huge ego and has to be the smartest guy in the room.
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TheDirector said:
Trump actually did both. Did you even watch the news conference? He started with a moment of silence and then offered his condolences and he did promise a thorough investigation to prevent this from happening again. It's almost like you are commenting without evening knowing what Trump said in his speech. Maybe you should see the whole news conference instead of picking parts and pieces that fit your narrative.
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Trump has also jumped to a conclusion over the cause of an accident that just occurred, and who/what was to blame. It was unprofessional.
 
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utvolpj said:
Except he didn't just leave it at that and had to say something stupid. All he had to do was offer condolences, stay an investigation and be quiet until all the bodies have been recovered. It's what any decent human being would do
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Exactly.
 
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