DB turning there head back,this is why or why not

#27
#27
VOLfrombama said:
So youre just supposed to let him catch it every stinkin time without so much as reading his eyes, putting a hand up, or trying to rip the ball out when it gets there? Cuz thats what our secondary has been doing for years.
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The receiver has to look back to see the ball before he can catch it. If the defender looks back before the receiver does, he loses more ground and the receiver will catch the ball almost every time. If you think the receivers are open all the time now, you can bet they will be more open if the defender looks back before the receiver does.
 
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I bet I know where Pruitt got that technique. The likes of which is often hard to swallow. When the receiver turns his head and looks the ball in I believe the DB better do the same, even or not. It takes a perfect ball and those are not all that plentiful. I've watched our DBs give up completions time and again because they didn't simply turn their head and catch the ball. I've seen countless flags thrown for pass interference when there was hardly a nudge because the refs punish DBs that aren't looking at the ball.

DBs that are truly ballhawks feel the ball coming and they act like the ball is being thrown to them. Never coach instinct out of your players.
 
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#32
#32
The key to all that is instinct, speed and hips. The receiver knows where he’s going the DB doesn’t. Unless, he’s really studied up and has found a tell on a route or pattern.
A DB that is beaten at the front of the route isnt going to make a play at the end. If your in a dead sprint to stay up with the play then you likely won’t turn your head.
 
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Alto1 said:
I like the "some guys turn and look every time" technique.

If the WR is looking back, it must slow him down a step or two also.

It's all about feel and timing. Like a lot of other thing in sports.........................
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Exactly.
Go be an athlete!
You're getting beat anyway otherwise.

Good technique and positioning are key to good average.

I hate these stupid camps where there is no rush and the QB has all day to throw to his WR. It subconsciously teaches DBs to lose...
 
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#34
A defensive back is either in phase with a receiver, or out of phase. There's a different technique for playing both..
 
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The Original Fade said:
I thought the DB is supposed to wait until the receiver looks for the ball in the air, and then the DB turns and looks as well? Am I wrong on that?
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Yes and no. Randolph is correct. However if the wr slows down or the dB gets back into good position, when the wr looks up and begins to raise his hands for the ball, a quick peek is ok. Majority of the time though, the dB will read the eyes of the wr and never peek. The technique used is a rake across the arms. This is used to knock the ball out of the wr hands as it’s dropping in for the catch. It’s primarily for catch disruption. Most of the time you only see the dB looking for the ball on zone coverage, where as in man coverage usually only underthrown balls to slow WRs are picked.
 
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The Original Fade said:
I thought the DB is supposed to wait until the receiver looks for the ball in the air, and then the DB turns and looks as well? Am I wrong on that?
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You are correct. Often we see receiver beats the DB who did not turn his head and over react. However, the truth is that as soon a DB turns his head the receiver gains a step or two on him. This is where you see big bust plays. Only two scenarios where you turn your head :

a) You see receiver turning his head : This is difficult to do as receiver can fake it and break open or run some twitch or cross
b) You have a step or two on the receiver so you can afford to turn your head to make sure when the ball is thrown and also where.

The ugliest thing is when DB turns his head a little too soon and receiver just runs past him. Almost looks like DB gave up on the play. If I remember correctly from 2 years ago, the Eason to Natta play with less than a minute left where our DB turned his head a little early, which slowed him down, and Nauta ran right past him into end zone.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Our DBs are bad. Made even more evident by Pruitt having to start true FR. I mean our best DBs could be true FR.
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, Look at how many DBs are in this upcoming class (2019) and then you get to see what coaches think about current DBs
 
#40
#40
Well the DL isn't helping the DB's much either. I think we pressured Grier 1 time? A couple of those throws were contested with decent coverage. He just dropped some dimes on us. The inconsistency on OL and DL flat out sucking were the bigger issues in that game.
 
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governmentmule said:
I saw Brain Randolph explain the turned head on the sports source this past Sunday ,it is at the 11:15 mark in this segment

Sports Source the last one that says players only

if your not even with the receiver don't look back,you will lose a step or two
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Also depends on the coverage we're in as to where your eyes are.
 
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jbuchanan said:
*their, *you're
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Me and him agree.

As far as pressuring the QB, it looked to this un-trained eye that there was quite a bit of holding and rolling a defender from the backside by WV offense to protect Grier. I'm not trying to make excuses, but just wondering if I was seeing legal blocking and I just don't get it. I mean, you having a Tennessee guy closing in on the QB but falling down with a WV on his heels looked funny.
 
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receivers eyes start to contract when the ball is in the air...then look back...

GO VOLS!
 
#47
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governmentmule said:
I saw Brain Randolph explain the turned head on the sports source this past Sunday ,it is at the 11:15 mark in this segment

Sports Source the last one that says players only

if your not even with the receiver don't look back,you will lose a step or two
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Correct. As a DB I was always told to have a hand on the receiver. The best place for that hand is on their thigh pad. It slows the receivers step down and usually doesn't get called by the Refs.

When you are doing this you can look back because you know you are in step with the receiver. Also, once the receiver looks you should know to look.
 
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governmentmule said:
I saw Brain Randolph explain the turned head on the sports source this past Sunday ,it is at the 11:15 mark in this segment

Sports Source the last one that says players only

if your not even with the receiver don't look back,you will lose a step or two
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That Brain Rudolph is a really smart dude. :p

Besides, all y'all got it wrong. All they gotta do is just look at the jumbo-tron. They don't have to turn their heads, and risk losing a step. Problem solved.
 
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I like informative threads like this, even with a few of the usual Vol Nation squabblers, debaters and know-it-alls tossed in to keep it their kinda "real".
 
#50
#50
Larry Slade taught the "no look" while coaching at Tennessee and it's frustrating to watch. I was told this is what Chavis wanted. I suppose it depends on DB ability and experience.
 
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