DB technique

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Leo The Lip

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I can fully understand how we have been hurting with the loss of all the DB's since last year, regardless of the reason. I can also understand somewhat why we play soft defense instead of tight coverage- these guys are young and just learning the ropes. But the one thing I cannot understand for the life of me, and NOT just this year is the technique our DB's use. How many times have you seen our DB's closing in on a receiver with his back to the QB and ball and never see the ball coming in. Most good coverage DB's have their back turned the same way, but as the ball is approaching they turn around to see the ball and try to intercept, slap it away or whatever. Why, why, why do they keep their backs to the ball? It is terrible technique imo.
 
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I agree a thousand times. A lot of times we have good position, just TURN AROUND!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Don't forget the lining up 10 yards off the line of scrimmage even when they're inside our 25. That's one of my favorites!
 
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Losing the ball on a corner route or a fade isn't a technique. It's a sign of inexperience.
 
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GAVol said:
Loosing the ball on a corner route or a fade isn't a technique. It's a sign of inexperience.
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Well, to be honest, it was Woodson to his favorite target: a 6'3" Senior vs. a first year starter in either Willingham or Vinson. That's a hard match-up for any CB to make. But they will get better in time. It's a good thing that Flynn isn't exactly a Woodson caliber player. I hope.
 
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DC Vol said:
Well, to be honest, it was Woodson to his favorite target: a 6'3" Senior vs. a first year starter in either Willingham or Vinson. That's a hard match-up for any CB to make. But they will get better in time. It's a good thing that Flynn isn't exactly a Woodson caliber player. I hope.
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I am not questioning how hard the match-up is or isn't. I agree that with experienced, tall receivers it is hard to stop a corner or fade route. My question is this, why can't they turn and find the ball before it gets to the receiver? Other DB's do it, at least those who are coached to use proper technique. From what I have heard from the mouths of different DB's, if you watch the eyes of the receiver as you cover and face him, you can tell when the ball is on the way and that is when you turn and find the ball. Then you can at least make an attempt to prevent the reception instead of 'flying blind' and trying to knock it out of his hands after he has the ball.
 
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It is very frustrating to watch but it is not just the Vols db's. I see it every week in the college and the NFL.
 
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rbroyles said:
It seems simple doesn't it, get a DB coach that can teach technigue. Does Slade have something on Chavis and/or Fulmer?
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I'm convinved that Slade knows something on Fulmer because there is no way this guy should still have a job at UT. It's as if this guy gets a free pass and doesn't have to be accountable for pathetic coaching. Every year, I'm amazed when I see that Slade hasn't been fired.
 
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I've said this before, but do you ever wonder why every UT DB that makes it to the league takes about 2 years to really make an impact. They have to be retaught the position.
 
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Don't forget about all the pass interference calls that we have called on us due to db's not turning to look for the ball, esp. on fade routes!
 
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I've pondered that same question for years, Mr. Lip. I've also wondered why some of our DB's have progressed from A to Z (skipping B through Y) when they get in the pros. I believe the NFL scouts have a good judge of talent, and what they can do with it, once a DB leaves Knoxville.
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
I've pondered that same question for years, Mr. Lip. I've also wondered why some of our DB's have progressed from A to Z (skipping B through Y) when they get in the pros. I believe the NFL scouts have a good judge of talent, and what they can do with it, once a DB leaves Knoxville.
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Don't give me your LIP, givm6!:dance2:
 
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I've been saying this since I've been on this fine forum, they don't sit down, or jump routes, they don't get their hips turned, and that is directly related to coaching. And what worries me is that if Slade stays, this is the best that these talented young DB's are going to be.........
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
I've pondered that same question for years, Mr. Lip. I've also wondered why some of our DB's have progressed from A to Z (skipping B through Y) when they get in the pros. I believe the NFL scouts have a good judge of talent, and what they can do with it, once a DB leaves Knoxville.
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Can you name some names? Jason Allen, Gibril Wilson, Deon Grant, J. Wade, Jabari Greer, Rashad Baker and Julian Battle are recent Vols in the pros that I can think of. The only one that has performed significantly better in the pros than expected based upon college production would be Gibril Wilson. I'm not even sure about him. He was a stud at UT.

I don't disagree that our secondary is really bad and that they don't look fundamentally sound this year, but I don't understand the basis for your comment.
 
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KYSkipper said:
I agree. I think a lot of it is related to speed. Our DB's seem to be a step or 2 behind their opponent.

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I agree they are a step or 2 behind at times. I don't think it is a speed issue. It is poor technique. What causes poor technique? Either poor coaching or players who are not coachable. Why are players not coachable? Ask the coaches.

My fundamental question goes back to even when are players are not beat on a play, when they are right there step for step with the receiver, they still keep their backs toward the ball. Frustrating:banghead2:
 
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Smokefatty said:
Can you name some names? Jason Allen, Gibril Wilson, Deon Grant, J. Wade, Jabari Greer, Rashad Baker and Julian Battle are recent Vols in the pros that I can think of. The only one that has performed significantly better in the pros than expected based upon college production would be Gibril Wilson. I'm not even sure about him. He was a stud at UT.

I don't disagree that our secondary is really bad and that they don't look fundamentally sound this year, but I don't understand the basis for your comment.
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Deon Grant just signed one of if not the biggest contract for a safety. Jabari is finally coming on in Buffalo(see MNF game v. TO). Baker is now a special teams player for the Pats. Allen has struggled majorly this year. Not sure about Wade, haven't really heard much. Battle isn't in the league anymore, unless it's on a practice squad somewhere.

The main thing is that all of these guys, with the exception of the two rookies(one I know is struggling the other I haven't heard too much about but I know he is playing for a bad STL team), took a few years to make an impact. Like we've all said, it's coaching, they have to almost be retaught the position(i.e. jumping routes, sitting on routes, hip turn, etc). Slade is just a terrible coach and should have been gone a long long time ago.
 
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I spoke to Greer once and I told him a kid was being recruited to Louisville by Slade he said it wasn't a good decision if the kid wanted to get to the next level.
 
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