david climer today

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He's right. Too many things have become acceptable in the program, like mediocrity. But then again, CPF is "family" and they have a way of protecting their own.
 
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Miles' contract with LSU only has a 7-win rollover. It's just a rollover, for year-to-year continuation...nothing more. It's merely a formality and the press/miserables are having a field day with it. A 9 or 10-win rollover would create a headache, as Hamilton, Fulmer & Sexton would have re-negotiate if we did have less than 9 or 10 wins...the contract is performance-incentive based...which is good. His contract isn't guaranteed like Saban, Meyer or Tuberville...and the buy-out (while hefty due to the longevity of the deal) is much lower than either one of theirs. Plus it's the 7th highest in the league, that's pretty reasonable for what the man's done and what UT football represents within the SEC. I don't understand why everyone is jumping all over this...just another thing to pick at until football season.
 
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David Climer is a geek that never played a sport in his life. Look at his picture for God sakes that guy is a nerd. Only field he ever saw was when he was caring his skin flute in the band.

You cant listen to anything any journalist says they dont know. Phil has done a fine job with the talent that he has had in the last couple years. Its not his fault for the players not making plays or getting in trouble off the field. He is the winningest coach in college football and you guys boo this man???? Hands down he is probably the best recruiting coach in the game. Ok so we as a team struggle getting to the big dance. That is on the whole team not Phil Fulmer. Phil does his job. He gets the players ready for the season and its up to them to make the plays or be in the right position or catch the ball or make the tackle. Hell Last year he lost 3 starting D backs right before the season and we still went to the SEC championship game.
The only thing that you can say negative about him really is that he gets to conservative during games and he waits to long to play freshmen.

Now sometimes I get mad at his decision making but its easy to talk about the way someone does something when your not doing it yourself.
 
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m37bruno said:
Phil has done a fine job with the talent that he has had in the last couple years. Its not his fault for the players not making plays or getting in trouble off the field. He is the winningest coach in college football and you guys boo this man???? Hands down he is probably the best recruiting coach in the game.
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Hmmmm....
 
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volcarrier said:
the contract is performance-incentive based...
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Is that what a guaranteed $150,000 raise regardless of record is called? :crazy:

And the $37,500 incentive for making the Music City Bowl is downright laughable.
 
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oh my gosh you guys are killing me the last few weeks.


who cares what Climer thinks, and who cares how much Big Phil makes?

Let's get back to what matters around here: making fun of Gator Jorts and Bammer's ridiculous claims that they are the second coming of God incarnate.


go Vols. I dont care who is coaching, or winning.... GO VOLS.
 
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Cartervol said:
UT pays too much for eight wins | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean I really don't care to much for climer's columns. But this one i thought was pretty spot on.
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I despise Climer usually, but I agree with this article. While i have not problem with CPF getting a new contract, an automatic 1 year extension for 8 wins is stupid. Maybe something like 3 for a division title, 5 for an SEC title, and 10 for a NC would be moroe fair, but this is setting the bar for mediocrity. Do i think CPF will care less, absolutely not. I just do not think that is a fair clause to put in. I, like Climer, agree CPF desrves respect. It is just absurd to set the bar at 8 win for a program as storied as UT.
 
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I agree that this is setting the bar a little low...I really hope that he gets a little fire under him though because this is causing nothing but the usual complacency we have seen for way too long and this is just feeding that monster...Not really sure I understand it but we will see I guess :fool:
 
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General Jack said:
Automatic extensions for 8 wins is setting the bar pretty low.
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I think people are really getting worked up about nothing here. This has nothing to do with expectations. It's just the way college football coaches' contracts generally work. Just about every coach has a contract that gets extended out at least 5 years every year or two.
 
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m37bruno said:
Phil has done a fine job with the talent that he has had in the last couple years. Hands down he is probably the best recruiting coach in the game.
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First sentence says he's only doing as good as he can with the talent he has recruited and in the second sentence he's the best recruiter in the game. Uhhhh, ok.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
First sentence says he's only doing as good as he can with the talent he has recruited and in the second sentence he's the best recruiter in the game. Uhhhh, ok.
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Yeah . . . That one didn't quite compute.
 
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GAVol said:
Yeah . . . That one didn't quite compute.
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Must using Vista.

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Cartervol said:
UT pays too much for eight wins | www.tennessean.com | The Tennessean I really don't care to much for climer's columns. But this one i thought was pretty spot on.
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Titansfan63 said:
Years without SEC title: 9
Years without BCS bowl: 8
Years without top 10 ranking: 6
Years without AP Top 25 ranking: 2000, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007
Years with 3 or more losses: 1999, 2000, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (6 straight years and 8 out of 9 )
Years with multiple losses to unranked teams: 2003, 2005
Years with loss in last 2 games of season: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006
4-8 vs. Spurrier
3-4 vs. Richt
1-3 vs. Tuberville
1-3 vs. Saban
0-3 vs. Meyer
7-15 2000 - present vs. FL, GA, LSU, AUB
3-5 Bowl games since 1998 (all double digit losses)
3-8 Postseason record since 1998 including SECCG
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Wow... Is that correct? Doesn't appear to be...
 
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GAVol said:
I think people are really getting worked up about nothing here. This has nothing to do with expectations. It's just the way college football coaches' contracts generally work. Just about every coach has a contract that gets extended out at least 5 years every year or two.
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You are right. It was just one of the many pieces of low hanging fruit I could have chosen to take a crack at with this deal.

The bigger issue for me is that we are paying way above what I would imagine is the market value for Fulmer's services, and giving him a raise when he hasn't met the very clear expectations that were set by his boss... and compatriot... which causes me further distress in knowing that Fulmer isn't being reviewed objectively and independently.

Hamilton earned a modicum of respect for me today by taking questions from the angry mob, but at the end of the day, he's running our football program like a good ole boy's club, not a top performing business.

IMO, Hamilton should have increased the incentives in the contract, not increased the buyout, and only given a marginal raise in base comp if any. This could have given some credence to his title and that he is holding true to the expectations he previously set.

As is, our opponents are rejoicing Fulmer being locked in, and the media has been very critical. The national perception is that we are investing in a floundering stock, and unfortunately, perception is quite often reality.
 
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m37bruno said:
David Climer is a geek that never played a sport in his life. Look at his picture for God sakes that guy is a nerd. Only field he ever saw was when he was caring his skin flute in the band.

You cant listen to anything any journalist says they dont know. Phil has done a fine job with the talent that he has had in the last couple years. Its not his fault for the players not making plays or getting in trouble off the field. He is the winningest coach in college football and you guys boo this man???? Hands down he is probably the best recruiting coach in the game. Ok so we as a team struggle getting to the big dance. That is on the whole team not Phil Fulmer. Phil does his job. He gets the players ready for the season and its up to them to make the plays or be in the right position or catch the ball or make the tackle. Hell Last year he lost 3 starting D backs right before the season and we still went to the SEC championship game.
The only thing that you can say negative about him really is that he gets to conservative during games and he waits to long to play freshmen.

Now sometimes I get mad at his decision making but its easy to talk about the way someone does something when your not doing it yourself.
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:crazy:
 
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volcarrier said:
Miles' contract with LSU only has a 7-win rollover. It's just a rollover, for year-to-year continuation...nothing more. It's merely a formality and the press/miserables are having a field day with it. A 9 or 10-win rollover would create a headache, as Hamilton, Fulmer & Sexton would have re-negotiate if we did have less than 9 or 10 wins...the contract is performance-incentive based...which is good. His contract isn't guaranteed like Saban, Meyer or Tuberville...and the buy-out (while hefty due to the longevity of the deal) is much lower than either one of theirs. Plus it's the 7th highest in the league, that's pretty reasonable for what the man's done and what UT football represents within the SEC. I don't understand why everyone is jumping all over this...just another thing to pick at until football season.
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Yeah yeah yeah... you know as well as I do that the minute Fulmer wins 10 games with no BCS bowl or goes to another SECCG and loses, that the current contract will be torn up and another one will be drafted.
 
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utvolpj said:
it's really not
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That opinion varies depending on where you live. If your a yankee and live somewhere around bristol conneticut then you probably think were hillbillies. I honestly don't care what they think. Just win baby thats all i want and no rewards for mediocrity.
 
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