Dave Hart's contract coming to a close

#76
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Hart was not a good hire. Someone point out to me all the great successes any of our athletics have had since he has been here? And saying he is better than Hamilton is not an endorsement for a contract extension. It's like saying a horse is better than a mule, well maybe so but we need a thoroughbred!


Our athletics was in the gutter when Hart took the job. UT athletics was the laughing joke of the SEC and very stagnant a far as upgrades were concerned. Yea we had the Anderson training center in progress but that was it. Hart has come in and revamped our AD and progress has and is bein seen throughout. But hey, that's just my opinion.
 
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Surely nobody thinks this guy should be allowed to keep his job, right?

Not sure why you thing Nobody would want him to keep his job. Stability is a good thing. I absolutely wanted the last AD to go. Hart on the other hand is helping build us towards the future including becoming financially stable.
 
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Not sure why you thing Nobody would want him to keep his job. Stability is a good thing. I absolutely wanted the last AD to go. Hart on the other hand is helping build us towards the future including becoming financially stable.

Because some people think the AD's only job is to hire coaches.
 
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Which is why they were under the section discussing the ineptitude of UT as a whole. Read carefully, please.

How does that relate to Hart? Specifically? Gonna blame him for our problems in the 70's? Or give him credit for the 98 championship? How "carefully" should I tread? :huh:
 
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Didn't realize you were privy to all of these supposed behind the scenes conversations. Your first sentence reveals how in the dark you are about what actually goes on. It's ok. The women's basketball team still has the word 'Lady' on their jersey.

Don't care about the "Lady" on the jerseys. And, if you don't know that Patterson and Marshall could have been coaches here and would've accepted in a heartbeat, but were told no (not by Hart, yes), then you haven't the faintest idea what's going on behind the scenes.
 
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Don't care about the "Lady" on the jerseys. And, if you don't know that Patterson and Marshall could have been coaches here and would've accepted in a heartbeat, but were told no (not by Hart, yes), then you haven't the faintest idea what's going on behind the scenes.

So you fix past mistakes? By firing ADs not involved with those decisions? By hiring others that equally had no input on said mistakes? When do we fire these other guys? :unsure:
 
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....what?


Are you related to him? ....does he owe you money? Are you his loan shark?

Why are THOSE your go to examples? :w00t:

On that other matter? Sorry lil buddy...can't loan you that money. :cool2:
 
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Don't care about the "Lady" on the jerseys. And, if you don't know that Patterson and Marshall could have been coaches here and would've accepted in a heartbeat, but were told no (not by Hart, yes), then you haven't the faintest idea what's going on behind the scenes.

Funny you say that seeing as though Hamilton was in charge when those coaches weren't brought in. Sounds as if you are more in the dark than anyone in this thread. Want to take another stab at it champ?
 
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I have no problem with Hart and his ties to Bama. Have any of you posters on VN started your career at one company and changed jobs and moved to competitor of your first employers; got a better position and more money? Good thing your second job did not go by the 'Bama Dave' rule you want to use to get rid of him. Dickey was a UF Grad IIRC and we won the Natty under him. Sometimes all of us, myself included, show our ignorance on here. Should Bama Fire Saban because he is not a Bama guy but a KENT State grad from WV.

Those calling CPF get real. I love me some CPF but just because he is a UT guy does not mean he can be a good AD. There are tons of great players in any sport who suck as coaches, so why would you think a coach could automatically make a great AD. AD is a business with all the money and politics with all the interaction with the school.

The only poor hire and I am not even sure this is on him is CHW. She is the Dooley of women's BB for UT. CDT was vetted and cleared by NCAA before the hire. CBJ is getting us back to where we need to be. I said 8-4 before the season and I hope that is where we end up and yes I would have liked more wins and I do not like mediocrity but we have been competitive even in our 4 L's. Just Avery few years ago we were worried I we would lose 8 games in a season and leave tOSU as the only team never to loss 8 games. Many times those losses were beat downs too. If you want to realize how bad Dooley recruited just look at the absence of a single player being drafted by the NFL from UT. Not one player, first time ever we did not have someone from UT drafted all the way back to 1962 IIRC.

Hart is doing a good job for athletes and coaches and I am fine with him at the helm of the AD's office. JMO TIFWIW
 
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The fact that we have so many people arguing that Hart has done a good job tells me that our leadership has so failed us as fans that we are willing to accept mediocrity, at best, as some sort of standard. His handling of the basketball coaching search that led us to Tyndall, after rejecting Ben Howland for NCAA reasons, only to see him get in trouble within a year should have been grounds for firing in and of itself. His hiring of Jones was a demonstration of ineptitude as was his contract extension of a coach who has proven nothing and has been unable to do anything better in year 3 than Lane Kiffin did his year 1 (And Kiffin had a worse team with a tougher schedule).

There's no real viable argument that says he's done a good job. We certainly aren't successful as an athletic program and not being incompetent like Hamilton isn't a positive towards retaining his services. Let him retire to Alabama, or wherever, and move on to someone, though I remain skeptical that the powers that be who currently reside on the Hill can make a good hire.

I mean, this is the same program that could have Gregg Marshall and Gary Patterson as basketball and football coaches, yet told them they weren't high level coaches. Decision making skills and competency are, currently, in short supply at UT, which is reflected in the results across the board.

Hart keeping his job would tell me all I need to know about Tennessee's commitment to winning.
 
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Not sure why you thing Nobody would want him to keep his job. Stability is a good thing. I absolutely wanted the last AD to go. Hart on the other hand is helping build us towards the future including becoming financially stable.

Stability is a good thing when you have good people in charge.
 
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IMO Hart has not earned a LT renewal. He bullies the Lady Vols and the POTSB, but he often can't get favorable rulings from the SEC or the NCAA.

He has gotten the financials in order and maybe he gets credit for upgrading TN's bowl game... Jacksonville beats Memphis, Nashville, and Charlotte in January. But his nasty personality should mean no more than one year renewals to his contract. Or if it has to be longer, put in huge buyouts if he was to quit and go to the SEC office (or Bama too, but he's not getting Bill Battle's job any time soon).
 
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Funny you say that seeing as though Hamilton was in charge when those coaches weren't brought in. Sounds as if you are more in the dark than anyone in this thread. Want to take another stab at it champ?

Just because Hamilton sucks doesn't mean Hart is good. No way he should have been allowed to keep his job after it became clear Tyndall was done. He either lied about doing his research or is just incompetent. Combine that with our embarrassing coaching search in football and he just needs to get lost.
 
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While Hart is certainly no rock star, he has brought a much-needed degree of comparative stability to the AD and done an admirable job of rebuilding its once-putrid finances. A development which will pay dividends for the university's non-profit making academic programs which rely on the AD to survive.

Add in to the fact that he's been quite adept at building several new and promising sponsorship agreements for the university.

So, um, I don't get the hate. Not saying he deserves a long-term deal, but a three year extension is certainly warranted to see how his groundwork plays out.

I have to wonder the business experience of the very vocal anti-Hart contingent.
 
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How does that relate to Hart? Specifically? Gonna blame him for our problems in the 70's? Or give him credit for the 98 championship? How "carefully" should I tread? :huh:

Because it was about the ineptitude of the UT AD as a whole, which would relate to them hiring people like, say, Hart's replacement. I didn't say tread carefully, I said read carefully, stop deliberately misrepresenting what I say to cater to your desire to pretend those who don't adhere to your protection of mediocrity at Tennessee are idiots.
 
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Because it was about the ineptitude of the UT AD as a whole, which would relate to them hiring people like, say, Hart's replacement. I didn't say tread carefully, I said read carefully, stop deliberately misrepresenting what I say to cater to your desire to pretend those who don't adhere to your protection of mediocrity at Tennessee are idiots.

It's hard to misrepresent what you're saying dude...you're all over the place! :lol:
 
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It's hard to misrepresent what you're saying dude...you're all over the place! :lol:

If you think I'm not being completely straightforward on this topic and not vacillating one bit, then maybe this discussion is beyond you. If you want a singular, all encompassing position from me, then it's this: There is across the board incompetence and mediocrity at UT and it should not be rewarded, but rooted out, with Hart among those to be culled.
 
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Seems the people calling for Fulmer forget about his coach hiring abilities.

Jason Michael is OC of Titans, Clawson turned BG around and is now HC at Wake, Doug Marrone has had great career in NFL and was Syracuse HC, Stan Drayton was on staff of national champion last year, Randy Sanders was on staff of national champ, Rodney Garner, Lovie Smith successful in NFL. Latrell Scott is a HC in college. Kurt Roper,OC of the Bowns was a Fulmer hire twice.Cut was promoted and hired again under Fulmer. Chavis was promoted under Fulmer. Dan Brooks is on staff of #1 team in the country. You were saying?
 
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Haha. Seriously. Why the heck is anybody wanting to fire another University president? We've approximately 312 since I graduated 25 years ago. What the hell has Dipietro done wrong? From what I can tell, he's been very supportive of the Athletic Dept, has allowed some structural changes between the AD and the university (spear headed by Hart btw for all the "Bama Dave" haters). Jeez Butchy...you pegged it with the blood lust comment. What's wrong with people?

KB, I meant Cheek. I wrote President in haste but Butchna was there to set me straight thank goodness. Can always depend on her / him. :hi:

I think Hart should go though. He has bungled a lot behind the scenes, he hasn't enunciated a real vision for UTAD, and being better than Hambone -- Ozzy Osbourne would have done a better job. It's just not enough.
 
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