Dave Hart To Speak To Media Tomorrow at 1pm

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lawgator1 said:
No, see, we are speaking past each other. I don't think that AD's, coaches, or their staffs, have meetings and sit around and come up with ways to cover up crimes.

I think the worry is that, in a parking lot on the way out of the facility, or in some sort of other informal encounter, someone who ought to have better sense than to in any way interfere with reporting or handling such a report, does so. That there is a quick reaction to protect the player, without thinking it through.

Do I personally think that CBJ would do that? No. But I wasn't there, so i don't know that.
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Then you need to reread your first paragraph as it fully indicates that the athletic department lacks a mechanism to allow assault victims to be taken seriously. The implication is that they are also the receivers of the report as you don't specify who is getting it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That has been true ... up to now. Now you have a player alleging that a coach chastised him for helping a victim and that players then tried to intimidate him as a witness to her condition post-incident.

If any of that is true, I don't care how big a fan of the team, the coach, or the players you are, that is indefensible.

I don't have the slightest clue if its true or not. I wasn't there, neither were you. A statement without cross examination is not very persuasive, and I would expect the people accused of it to deny it.

You have two choices, #1 play it out and see how it all comes out, what people have to say under oath, what documentary evidence there might be, etc. That is time consuming and expensive, and fraught with the danger that the other side will stumble on to some simple error on UT's end that they can use to get to a jury.

Or # 2 you can settle it sooner than later, take your lumps, and put in rigid compliance measures so that you can rightly say you've done all you can to prevent any miscues in the future.

People always want to do #1. Then the legal bills start coming in. Rumors of the good, the bad, the ugly come out, ESPN is knocking on the door, and you end up begrudgingly going with # 2.
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This would be fine if every school in the country were being attacked at the same time. They aren't. And the blood sucking lawyers are waiting in line to see how this case turns out. Were I still a resident of TN I would want my tax dollars spent on running this to the SCOTUS rather than folding. Settling prior to AJ's trial throws him under the bus. I'm not convinced that we don't have a Duke Lax situation there. I also believe timing of this suit is directly related to an inkling of what the outcome of that criminal trial will be. And yes, I believe Bowles was played.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You can choose a path based solely on denying any wrongdoing and convince yourself you are acting on principal.

But be careful not to confuse pride with principle.

And know that you have to live with the outcome if seven or eight random strangers picked off the street don't see it your way.
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Spoken like a lawyer that gets a piece of the pie.

Be careful not open a faucet that is hard to turn off.

Principle is worth more than pride and better at defending truth.
 
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It's really going to suck if AJ Johnson is found not guilty and then sues the university because they suspended him from football causing him to go un-drafted.

Probably won't happen, but anything is possible.
 
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Some seem to think I'm backing the accuser. Not true.

But I do think it will settle, in the best interests of the university and the athletic department.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Some seem to think I'm backing the accuser. Not true.

But I do think it will settle, in the best interests of the university and the athletic department.
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I agree. At some point, even if you're in the right, it's not worth the time or PR hit.
 
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GAVol said:
I agree. At some point, even if you're in the right, it's not worth the time or PR hit.
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If you prove they are wrong/trying to get money you restore your/university character and show others in future to take claims seriously. I said before and will say again, it is just like a bully at school, if you always give what they want they will just continue to take advantage of you.

Look at Duke lacrosse case, some people will slander you and take everything you have.
 
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triad280 said:
Yes. It's called the nearest law enforcement office... I want a cop investigating my rape, not a campus security guard. I want them there to provide security. If someone thinks CBJ is doing something to squelch a call in for rape, look at his actions of suspensions immediately and until law officers dropped the case, they weren't allowed on the team.
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Don't you realize UT has campus POLICE that are trained to the same standards as any other law enforcement agency in Tennessee with regards to sexual assault allegations? Further, the UT POLICE are required to coordinate with the local District Attorney General's office.

Good grief, some more VN "know it all."
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Wow. If you guys are impressed with Dave Hart's press conference I'll have to pull it up and watch it online because I missed it.
 
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volnpowell said:
If you prove they are wrong/trying to get money you restore your/university character and keep show others in future to take claims seriously. I said before and will say again, it is just like a bully at school, if you always give what they want they will just continue to take advantage of you.

Look at Duke lacrosse case, some people will slander you and take everything you have.
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Amen! If UT knows they are in the right then give the gum flappers the middle finger and fight it!
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Don't cherry pick one incident based in hearsay. He has an affidavit offering an opposite view. And no this isn't what this is about. It's about the university system somehow encouraging this behavior. FSU's situation was absolutely criminal. There was collision between campus police, local LEOs, and everyone one in between. Also the girl you call a victim is an alleged victim. There is no proof that anything that went on wasn't consensual.
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Must have been a hell of a collision.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Key word is "accused" and I believe that's the assumption of innocence until proven guilty. Used to be a fundamental right until folks became more concerned about pressure and PR than justice and fair trials before ones peers.
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Which again the university has nothing to do with. You are taking about a person's rights within the legal system. Their is nothing in that constitution that protects you from being suspended from school, a job, or anything outside a court of law. Suspending someone pending the outcome of a criminal trial is just a prudent step to protect all involved. It's not a guilty verdict or a factor in it. Innocent until proven guilty isn't relevant to his standing at UT.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
An ugly fight in court is the worst thing that could happen. I hope it's settled ASAP.
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No sir I cannot cosign this. The accusers have gone public, unleashed their hounds of hell, and basically the school, AD, and coaching staff stands. What now needs to occur is drag these accusers into court, force them under oath to layout their case, and then bring hell on them, their attornies, and supporters if they cannot prevail.
 
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Remy said:
No sir I cannot cosign this. The accusers have gone public, unleashed their hounds of hell, and basically the school, AD, and coaching staff stands. What now needs to occur is drag these accusers into court, force them under oath to layout their case, and then bring hell on them, their attornies, and supporters if they cannot prevail.
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Hey Freak can you install a "Like x 1000" button please
 
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GAVol said:
I agree. At some point, even if you're in the right, it's not worth the time or PR hit.
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Yeah LG's right...I would hate to settle but I don't think we can win here it all comes down to "the seriousness of the charge" it reminds me of Jesse Jackson's old Rainbow Coalition..which was nothing more than a shakedown scam.legalized gangsters imo
 
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GoVols15 said:
Don't you realize UT has campus POLICE that are trained to the same standards as any other law enforcement agency in Tennessee with regards to sexual assault allegations? Further, the UT POLICE are required to coordinate with the local District Attorney General's office.

Good grief, some more VN "know it all."
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Yes I do know they have campus police at UT...Not all universities do though... Maybe I didn't convey that in the message but I wasn't talking to you and lawgator saw exactly what I was saying... And one of the alleged rape victims went to KPD, but was turned over to campus police when it fell into their jurisdiction l...

Geez, another VN "know it all"... Pot meet kettle
 
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GAVol said:
I agree. At some point, even if you're in the right, it's not worth the time or PR hit.
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That's what they are counting on, every single time. Extortion, pure and simple.

It's always too much trouble to fight the charges.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
That's what they are counting on, every single time. Extortion, pure and simple.

It's always too much trouble to fight the charges.
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You keep leaving out the distinct possibility that you lose. You think its bad now? Child's play to what's in store if there's a kernel of truth to it and you take a multimillion dollar hit saying so.

You guys chomping at the bit to teach the plaintiffs and their lawyers a lesson need to understand that you do not know all the facts. You are basing your opinion 10 % on what you think the facts will turn out to be, 90 % on what you hope them to be, and 0% on what they actually are.
 
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