DaRick, Depth, and Bama

[mtowntim]

Proven depth or player character...If either were present this would be a non-issue.

 

[FearlessFreep]

I see the situation as akin to this:

Da'Rick is the grease fire on the stovetop. It started small and Dooley had a chance to put it out when it first flamed up, but he left it alone in hopes it would burn itself out.

Now, the whole kitchen is aflame and it is threatening to burn down the whole house. He can still put it out, but it is much harder now than it would have been when it first started.

Metaphor over.

I think one can make the case Dooley has exhibited this management strategy in other areas as well with equally similar results.

 

[StoVol]

I really hope you're not including mine in that because I meant no such thing.

My point was that you assume the only thing motivating the players listed to be good people/citizens is fear of losing their spot on a football team.

Where did he say that? Good player behind you is a factor in keeping your ducks in a row. It's not insulting or hard to understand

 

[gnm53108]

I really hope you're not including mine in that because I meant no such thing.

My point was that you assume the only thing motivating the players listed to be good people/citizens is fear of losing their spot on a football team.

Cant beleive I'm defending fade but he said "in large part".

 

[SolidRockGolf]

I see the situation as akin to this:

Da'Rick is the grease fire on the stovetop. It started small and Dooley had a chance to put it out when it first flamed up, but he left it alone in hopes it would burn itself out.

Now, the whole kitchen is aflame and it is threatening to burn down the whole house. He can still put it out, but it is much harder now than it would have been when it first started.

Metaphor over.

Its nice to know that everyone thinks that CDD just leaves issues alone. I like all these facts.

I see a situation where you can try to handle something that is beneficial for everyone involved and it backfires. When you keep it close to the chest and don't involve the media to protect everyone plus have two tough seasons then everyone is saying that CDD is the problem. Who knows who is right or wrong!?!?

Anyone with common sense knows that we don't have a clue what is going on and to many they are starting to believe their own assumptions.

But thanks for the CDD bashing analogy!

 

[fade route]

I really hope you're not including mine in that because I meant no such thing.

My point was that you assume the only thing motivating the players listed to be good people/citizens is fear of losing their spot on a football team.

Didn't mean you at all, and your point was a fair one. Ididn't mean to imply that depth was the only factor for elite players acting like fools or like solid citizens. I just think it's a bigger one than we realize.

 

[BigOrange15]

Quality post. Dead on.

 

[Volinnooga]

I think you guys are just going to continue to make DR threads forever--dangit, move on. Whatever will happen will happen. Leave the kid and DD alone. It's easy to take potshots and make decisions from the outside--particularly when you only have speculative facts.

 

[fade route]

I think you guys are just going to continue to make DR threads forever--dangit, move on. Whatever will happen will happen. Leave the kid and DD alone. It's easy to take potshots and make decisions from the outside--particularly when you only have speculative facts.

I love it when I read posts that keep a story alive by telling the rest of us to move on.

 

[FearlessFreep]

I think you guys are just going to continue to make DR threads forever--dangit, move on. Whatever will happen will happen. Leave the kid and DD alone. It's easy to take potshots and make decisions from the outside--particularly when you only have speculative facts.

Yet you felt compelled to post here.
This is actually one of the more compelling (dare I say intelligent) threads on here right now.

 

[Spartacavolus]

From what I've read, Nash's parents were in the picture more than his own.

Then there you have it.

 

[gnm53108]

I think you guys are just going to continue to make DR threads forever--dangit, move on. Whatever will happen will happen. Leave the kid and DD alone. It's easy to take potshots and make decisions from the outside--particularly when you only have speculative facts.

We're Vol fans...he's a Vol. We're gonna talk about it.

I'm with ya on the "potshots" tho.

 

[TheAbsoluteTruth]

After thinking about the events surrounding DaRick over the last 24-36 hours, I've come to the conclusion that much of this issue is really about UT's lack of quality depth. Yes, depth. DaRick is and has acted like a total jackwagon in large part because he and Dooley both know that there is only one DaRick on the team. There is nobody on the roster that equals his talent and could step in immediately at his position and be as productive should he be dismissed. The same holds true for Janzen Jackson. Dools gave him every chance he possibly could because frankly, there was no other JJ on the roster, and JJ knew it. Dools is actually in a tough situation with players like this because he knows they can't be replaced with equal or near equal talent so he is forced to put up with alot of BS from these egos in order keep them on the team and field as long as possible.

For reference, take Bama for instance. A major reason guys like Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, and Mark Barron keep their act together is because Bama has such unbelievable quality depth, and those guys know if they jacked around, Saban would put them on the first plane back to mama's cooking and would have little trouble replacing them with the next guy in line who probably had as many stars as they had coming out of HS. The fear of being easily replaced keeps alot of these egos in check. Unfortunately for UT, we have some unbelievably talented skill position players like DaRick, just no one behind them of equal talent.

Let's face it - depth not only helps on the field, it helps off it as well. Your thoughts please.

The logic behind this post is strong. This scenario is a HUGE part of places like Alabama and LSU success.......as the saying goes in regards to programs like that (and UT in the 90's) "The lines are long"

Its amazing how much good is bred from pure competition.

 

[tvols75]

Didn't mean you at all, and your point was a fair one. Ididn't mean to imply that depth was the only factor for elite players acting like fools or like solid citizens. I just think it's a bigger one than we realize.

When an immature WR like Da'Rick that has had trouble throughout his life everywhere he has been walks into the situation at UT, I agree completely with you. However, I think it's unfair to mention the players you did in your post because I do not think it's a "major reason" for most players. Some players get it and some just do not. Da'Rick has a chance at millions and doesn't care. Julio had his shot, worked his butt off, and is making the millions. Who was playing behind him didn't matter to Julio as he had a goal that he wanted to attain.

 

[mtowntim]

Then there you have it.

Light bulbs will start to come on now.

Get ready for a new set of threads with new theories that basically rehash the same crap.

 

[peewee]

Good post!

 

[Hickmc]

At some point players must mature. Cam Newton was a moron at Florida. He could've done anything outside of first degree murder without being kicked off at Auburn. He chose to straighten up. He had no fear in being dismissed or benched so why didn't he act like a moron? He matured. That's all it boils down to.

Did Cam mature or Is Gene just better at hiding things? What ever happened to the pay for play, funny how it went away.....

 

[82_VOL_83]

After thinking about the events surrounding DaRick over the last 24-36 hours, I've come to the conclusion that much of this issue is really about UT's lack of quality depth. Yes, depth. DaRick is and has acted like a total jackwagon in large part because he and Dooley both know that there is only one DaRick on the team. There is nobody on the roster that equals his talent and could step in immediately at his position and be as productive should he be dismissed. The same holds true for Janzen Jackson. Dools gave him every chance he possibly could because frankly, there was no other JJ on the roster, and JJ knew it. Dools is actually in a tough situation with players like this because he knows they can't be replaced with equal or near equal talent so he is forced to put up with alot of BS from these egos in order keep them on the team and field as long as possible.

For reference, take Bama for instance. A major reason guys like Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, and Mark Barron keep their act together is because Bama has such unbelievable quality depth, and those guys know if they jacked around, Saban would put them on the first plane back to mama's cooking and would have little trouble replacing them with the next guy in line who probably had as many stars as they had coming out of HS. The fear of being easily replaced keeps alot of these egos in check. Unfortunately for UT, we have some unbelievably talented skill position players like DaRick, just no one behind them of equal talent.

Let's face it - depth not only helps on the field, it helps off it as well. Your thoughts please.

Fade, don't normally see eye to eye with you on the program but buddy you are dead on here!:good!:

 

[VolBeef88]

I hate the race card, but it is weird you mentioned all black players. It is also insulting to say they only acted good because there was guys behind them to take their spot. Read PJ's post.

Very well stated.
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[82_VOL_83]

I hate the race card, but it is weird you mentioned all black players. It is also insulting to say they only acted good because there was guys behind them to take their spot. Read PJ's post.

No dude, you pulled the race card. It didn't even occur to me what color those guys skin is. Thank you for taking a really good post and turning it to crap. I see the point you are trying to make, but you burned your bridge before you got to it.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Where?

At WR! Can't you read?? ROFL!

 

[Oskie Volum]

Where are DR's parents in this ordeal?

From what I've read, Nash's parents were in the picture more than his own.

Then there you have it.

This is the elephant in the room no one ever speaks about. It's sad blame gets put on others like cdd, but the root started growing way before cdd came along.

I mention it every time a DR meltdown begins, and it gets ignored or passed over for other excuses. It's sad, and honestly believe that cdd does concern himself with DRs welfare not just the fact that he is one of his best players.

I'm thinking the Nash's have very little influence over him ATP. I'm getting tired of all this, and getting to the pt where I wish him the best of luck at GA St.

 

[82_VOL_83]

When an immature WR like Da'Rick that has had trouble throughout his life everywhere he has been walks into the situation at UT, I agree completely with you. However, I think it's unfair to mention the players you did in your post because I do not think it's a "major reason" for most players. Some players get it and some just do not. Da'Rick has a chance at millions and doesn't care. Julio had his shot, worked his butt off, and is making the millions. Who was playing behind him didn't matter to Julio as he had a goal that he wanted to attain.

Geez Louise gang, take the post for what it was and quit trying to read the fine print (there is none). For once I think Fade is dead on. Just because he mentioned players that may all be good just because they were gonna be good no matter where they were, the point is that:
1. If you are immature
2. If you have had no discipline in your life
3. You are the BMOC by not having competition, then

you are going to BE the BMOC. You are going to think your poop don't stink and that every fart smells like roses. You won't understand when more rational, grounded, and mature individuals be they your elders or your peers think you are acting like a jerk. Fade, maybe you put too much thought and common sense in your post for some to handle??

 

[e-VOL-ution2013]

After thinking about the events surrounding DaRick over the last 24-36 hours, I've come to the conclusion that much of this issue is really about UT's lack of quality depth. Yes, depth. DaRick is and has acted like a total jackwagon in large part because he and Dooley both know that there is only one DaRick on the team. There is nobody on the roster that equals his talent and could step in immediately at his position and be as productive should he be dismissed. The same holds true for Janzen Jackson. Dools gave him every chance he possibly could because frankly, there was no other JJ on the roster, and JJ knew it. Dools is actually in a tough situation with players like this because he knows they can't be replaced with equal or near equal talent so he is forced to put up with alot of BS from these egos in order keep them on the team and field as long as possible.

For reference, take Bama for instance. A major reason guys like Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, and Mark Barron keep their act together is because Bama has such unbelievable quality depth, and those guys know if they jacked around, Saban would put them on the first plane back to mama's cooking and would have little trouble replacing them with the next guy in line who probably had as many stars as they had coming out of HS. The fear of being easily replaced keeps alot of these egos in check. Unfortunately for UT, we have some unbelievably talented skill position players like DaRick, just no one behind them of equal talent.

Let's face it - depth not only helps on the field, it helps off it as well. Your thoughts please.

I hope you all are really getting the underlined story here! If Fade can post something most VN agree's with the by gosh Da'Rick can mature and become the leade we need him to be!!!!!

Seriously though I completely agree as well :hi:

 

[HSVol]

After thinking about the events surrounding DaRick over the last 24-36 hours, I've come to the conclusion that much of this issue is really about UT's lack of quality depth. Yes, depth. DaRick is and has acted like a total jackwagon in large part because he and Dooley both know that there is only one DaRick on the team. There is nobody on the roster that equals his talent and could step in immediately at his position and be as productive should he be dismissed. The same holds true for Janzen Jackson. Dools gave him every chance he possibly could because frankly, there was no other JJ on the roster, and JJ knew it. Dools is actually in a tough situation with players like this because he knows they can't be replaced with equal or near equal talent so he is forced to put up with alot of BS from these egos in order keep them on the team and field as long as possible.

For reference, take Bama for instance. A major reason guys like Julio Jones, Trent Richardson, and Mark Barron keep their act together is because Bama has such unbelievable quality depth, and those guys know if they jacked around, Saban would put them on the first plane back to mama's cooking and would have little trouble replacing them with the next guy in line who probably had as many stars as they had coming out of HS. The fear of being easily replaced keeps alot of these egos in check. Unfortunately for UT, we have some unbelievably talented skill position players like DaRick, just no one behind them of equal talent.

Let's face it - depth not only helps on the field, it helps off it as well. Your thoughts please.

Nice job, Fade. :hi: