Dante Phillips a VOL!

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Vols JD said:
Dude, its hard keeping up with everything. This forum is great for questions like that, these guys on here are pro's (most are, some are annoying trolls like Negateer but you can see that from his posts)
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How is negateer a troll? He is a UT fan like you and I. Just because you don't share his views, does not make him a troll.
 
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Vols JD said:
The jokes are funny. Some I've never heard.

I've done a little research by watching tape on Dante Phillips- he really is a great addition to the team. It's crazy how we stumbled on him and won him over without having chased him much early. It was definitely luck to land such a talent and a sure 1st or 2nd round draft pick one day. Dooley does it again!
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I think this is similar to our acquiring McCullers. His decision to come here surprised the coaching staff.
 
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Escape Goat said:
Most normal, law abiding citizens don't need them. My sister is a lawyer btw, so I'm not putting them down. And yes, I know lawyers aren't only criminal defense.
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I've found them to be greedy but do know they are at times necessary. If forced to choose, I'd say auto mechanics and used car sales people are worse.
 
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Question-- With misbehaving, jilted or unhappy players being dismissed/suspended or just leaving troubled programs and transferring, is the UTK in position to accept further high profile instant help players?

It seems Miami, Norte Dame, FSU and others are losing players who could perform very well. Makes me wonder if some sought after OL, DE, DT, RB, or another big time WR seeks to come to Tenn. would we be in position to accept them.
 
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VegasBaby! said:
I agree because they suck. If you are interested, here's some theories floated on gatorsports.com because they lack the mental fortitude to admit they suck.

Warning: Reading the below can result in brain freeze.

"The reasons his transcript could have been accepted by the NCAA but rejected by UF are endless, but heres some speculation. As I mentioned in my other post, I used to work for UAA in academic support and later in compliance. What follows is pure speculation - I have no knowledge of Phillips' situation at all.

First, UF requires 16 academic units:
- 4 English
- 4 Math
- 3 Natural Science with labs
- 3 Social Science
- 2 Foreign Language

Additionally, UF will accept non-accredited courses (such as Tebow's home schooling) with certain extra evidence. Either you need to pass a test in the subject through Florida Virtual School

There are other requirements to meet as well (math must be algebra1-geometry-algebra2, foreign language must be sequential, etc.)

Usually problems arise because the athlete takes a non-credited course through some B.S. online education system that caters to athletes. Then they take the final exam (you take it at a designated testing facility, like a local high school, supposedly under supervision). However, even if you pass the test the course is still subject to review. If the course doesn't fit the core requirement they don't give you credit for it.

Now athletes can take a test in the subject to prove "competency" through the Florida Virtual School. However, even if they pass the test (and it's not exactly hard to get someone else to take the test for you) the course itself is still open to review by admissions. UF will review the course material submitted, find it bears little relationship to the subject matter tested, and flag the course.

Other problems arise where the course appears to meet one of the requirements but UF won't accept it based on the actual subject taught. I recall one course I heard about third-hand entitled "Algebra and Comparative Mathematics" that was about 2 minutes of algebra and the rest more basic stuff. Though the athlete thought it covered one of UF's math credits, it did not. Other schools, however, might accept the course either directly or thorough a waiver procedure. This is how Michigan State got all of our non-qualifiers in the mid-90's.

Still other athletes trip up on simpler stuff. The NCAA will accept foreign language OR non doctrinal religion or philosophy. UF will only accept foreign language. Some athletes screw this up.

Whether a course "counts" can come down to a simple difference of opinion between UF and the NCAA. The NCAA clearinghouse might look at a course and say it satisfies a core course requirement, while UF looks at the same course and says it doesn't. This is the one that drives coaches bats**t crazy. This becomes especially problematic when the course in question puts an athlete just over the minimum acceptable GPA.

Finally, a course that the athlete does not consider a core course can be counted as a core course by UF. Let's say the athlete failed the course and is close to the GPA cut-off. If UF refigures their GPA with that failing grade, the athlete becomes ineligible.

This is my guess on Phillips: He wasn't going to qualify, probably not because of GPA but because he didn't have the right number of core credits. He took some sort of online course(s) that appeared to meet NCAA guidelines for a core subject (and maybe even did meet those guidelines - the NCAA standard is looser than UFs) to make up the credits. NCAA clearinghouse said OK (but they don't really look at the course content). UF took a closer look and said no. Given that Phillips didn't even try to get into UF in the fall, I'd guess that we are talking about more than one course, which would leave him with too much to make up to qualify for Fall.

Again, I could be completely wrong here, so take it with a grain of salt.

UF's academic requirements are not exactly stringent for athletes. I've seen first hand guys who get admitted and are shockingly deficient in basic academic skills. This isn't a knock on their basic intelligence or work ethic - it just that in most public Florida high schools that produce D1 players, star athletes sometimes get a pass. When these kids get to school they know what time it is, and for the most part they work their a$$es off to catch up and stay eligible. It doesn't get any press at all but you would be proud if you saw how hard a lot of these guys work to catch up and then keep up - they really do a lot more than most people realize.

That said, I'll reiterate my point from the other thread -- if you can't get yourself into UF as an athlete, most of the time you are going to have a really tough time staying eligible. Obviously there are exceptions, but in my experience those guys never play a down anyway, even if they do make it in. In other words, don't fret Phillips loss - its exceptionally unlikely he would have contributed this coming year."

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Nay, they just suck!
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So what this boils down to is some Venice HS administrator being incompetent in advising the kid. When it all comes out in the wash, won't it be rich if that person is a UF grad?
 
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WiseOlVol said:
So what this boils down to is some Venice HS administrator being incompetent in advising the kid. When it all comes out in the wash, won't it be rich if that person is a UF grad?
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Who cares? They may have given us the rope to hang them with, the hammer to beat them, the gun to shoot them, the torpedo to sink them--welcome Dante!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Escape Goat said:
How is negateer a troll? He is a UT fan like you and I. Just because you don't share his views, does not make him a troll.
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It was joke, because he keeps accusing people randomly of trolling. Whether I share his views is irrelevant, and not even taken into effect.
 
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orutvol said:
Ok, I'll bite. So your theory is that since their twitter handle is utklaw, then the College of Law must go by that? It would be a sad world if everyone went by their twitter handle don't you think?
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No, my theory is because the Dean of Admissions calls it UTK Law from time to time, along with other websites, makes it true; coupled with the fact that I asked a recruiter yesterday and she confirmed that UTK Law was a name they use in short hand writing. University of Tennessee College of Law (UT College of Law) is also used. It is hard to show proof of a conversation I had with a person at the school in a forum so the twitter handle should be a good start in proving that UTK Law is indeed a shorter name for the law school. Remember, I am being accused of using a foreign name that no respected UTK Fan would ever use if they knew the school. I am just trying to show that UTK Law is a legitimate nickname and therefore as legitimate to use as any other name the Law School holds.
 
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Vols JD said:
And what does this say about our academics? Is Florida that much better than us when it comes to academics? I am a grad student but I always considered UTK to be in the league of Florida, Alabama, Virginia Tech, USC, and Georgia; am I wrong? I did not expect us to be Virginia (UVA) or even Vanderbilt when it comes to academics, but at least Florida... am I the only one that is a little reserved by this news?
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Florida's an AAU school, so there likely is a bit of a gap there academically
 
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AJeray4TN said:
Wrong.

1. That "polling" was a BS poll conducted by Rivals. Not exactly a blind sample.

2. 2 out of 14 schools in the SEC (not sure about Mizzou or A&M) are AAU schools.
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Both of the new members are, so now it's up to 4: Missouri, Texas a&m, Vanderbilt, ad Florida
 
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GmanTN said:
Doesn't the burden of academics fall on the students? How many alumnus chose UT for their academic achievements over the fact their standards afforded them a chance at a higher education. Correct me if i'm wrong here but when was the last time UT was ranked top 20 in academics?
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Bottom of the top 20 are still schools like Vanderbilt and Emory...so probably they havent
 
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Vercingetorix said:
UT has never been ranked within shouting distance of top 20 in academics. Even if you only count public universities.

This year, Florida is 58 in the overall list (including private universities). Georgia is 62. We are 101st.

EDIT: Alabama 75. Excuse me while I go slam my face in a car door for awhile.
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Probably should now should also add into that Texas a&m at 58, Auburn at 82, and Missouri at 90
 
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