Danny O"Brien dismissed from team

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Even if pot were legal from coast to coast, the university or athletic department is still well within its rights to make a rule that says if you smoke pot you're not playing sports for UT. There is a difference between laws and rules.

A player can for instance verbally berate a coach and is within his right to free speech and cannot go to jail for having done so, but the coach has every right to kick him off the team.

Most of the "PEDs" that pro athletes get suspended or fined for are perfectly legal drugs if you have a prescription and some supplements don't even need that. But it don't matter when the rules say you can't take them.

Also, what idiot would post an argument for banning pot on a message board full of college aged kids. Know your audience, dude.
 
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m1al said:
This..

Think it goes something like this.. 1st offense punishment is left up to coaches discression, 2nd offense is an automatic suspension, 3rd offense and you're done..
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First offense is AD discretion. 2nd is minimum suspension of 10% scheduled competitions. 3rd is permanent suspension.

http://www.utsports.com/inside-ut/DrugTestingPolicy-2012.pdf

NCAA tests are different. 1st is one year suspension and 2nd permanent suspension.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2016SSI_DrugTestingProgramBooklet_20160728.pdf
 
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I'm all for burning a doobie but if your school or job test for it then you have to pick between them. If this is what happened maybe rest of team will learn lesson. Hope Danny does well he has been steady player. BEAT BAMA
 
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Sarms58 said:
I've completed about half a dozen classes for an Addiction Counseling degree. Since I was originally a chemist (I'm retired now), I was very interested in the brain chemistry aspects of addiction and dependence. Dr. David Nutt published a paper about a decade ago that discusses the various aspects of drug abuse...it may be a bit dry for some but very interesting to me.



https://www.thevespiary.org/rhodium/Rhodium/Vespiary/talk/files/6416-615_Pharmacology_Therapeutics_NUTT_Rational_Scale_Harm_Drugs_Misuse07ea.pdf
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Thanks, it is an interesting article - plenty of food for thought. To me one highlight is that it bears out the thought that if something is pleasurable to someone, he/she will likely want more regardless of whether the "dependency" or desire is physiological or psychological - a matter of degree and definition.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
Even if pot were legal from coast to coast, the university or athletic department is still well within its rights to make a rule that says if you smoke pot you're not playing sports for UT. There is a difference between laws and rules.

A player can for instance verbally berate a coach and is within his right to free speech and cannot go to jail for having done so, but the coach has every right to kick him off the team.

Most of the "PEDs" that pro athletes get suspended or fined for are perfectly legal drugs if you have a prescription and some supplements don't even need that. But it don't matter when the rules say you can't take them.

Also, what idiot would post an argument for banning pot on a message board full of college aged kids. Know your audience, dude.
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In b4 how will affect recruiting
 
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AM64 said:
Thanks, it is an interesting article - plenty of food for thought. To me one highlight is that it bears out the thought that if something is pleasurable to someone, he/she will likely want more regardless of whether the "dependency" or desire is physiological or psychological - a matter of degree and definition.
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True...he separates the two based on brain chemistry changes...nicotine, for example, changes the receptors in you brain...and it occurs relatively quickly. After a week of smoking your brain now has changed such the number of receptors that accept nicotine have increased ten fold...so it doesn't really matter if someone finds smoking pleasurable - the brain tells the person they need a cigarette just like the brain tells you when you are hungry...other drugs, like LSD, don't create that dependency so people may want to do it again but it's only because it was fun - not because they have a biochemical process going on in their brain telling them they "need" it...

Like I said, if you removed all the politics and cultural bias, nicotine would be schedule 1 and pot would be at worst schedule 2...
 
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utvolpj said:
It's a terribly written article designed to get clicks. The injury and his dismissal are in no way related and anyone who understands the process can see that
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Never said it was well written. But if you think a talented 15 or 16 year old that sees that and possibly won't form a negative opinion, you are kidding yourself.
 
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TnScooby said:
IMO this is an example of CBJ doing what has to be done..It may be unpopular to folks on the outside, but if O'Brien knew the consequences of whatever he did and violated a team rule that incurred those consequences, CBJ had to do the right thing, even if it was/is unpopular..Saban or some other HC's might have handled it differently, who knows? But the word character is used a bunch by CBJ and IMO nothing builds character more than tough life lessons learned...
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I imagine there are expectations of consequences for team rule infractions that are written in stone by the university administration. The athlectic department WILL follow these expectations when developing team rules and the protocols in place for breaking them.
 
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Absolutely heartbroken for Danny Obrien. I know he made a mistake, but gosh the kid gave his all for Tennessee!!! A VFL in my book, forever!
 
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TN_Transplant said:
No, but they will warp that negative connotation into something that you can't argue against.

This is negative press. The timing is terrible. I don't understand how no one sees that.
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It doesn't matter. Don't understand how YOU don't see that.
 
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TN_Transplant said:
No, but they will warp that negative connotation into something that you can't argue against.

This is negative press. The timing is terrible. I don't understand how no one sees that.
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How does UT prevent an article built on a lie? It's impossible
 
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Been a fan since the days of his recruiting. While I feel bad for Danny I too can't help but think about his teammates, he let them down. DO made a choice though he knew and understood the consequences of his actions.
 
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A drug test would be included in any neurologic trauma patient coming into an ER to establish a baseline and to if any symptoms could be related to same. Part of the trauma protocol.
If he tested positive the university (and likely the NCAA) would have seen the results as the bills are being paid for by their insurance policies. Plausible deniability is lost. I suspect that is the origin of the dismissal.
No inside info, but spent 6 years as a trauma doc, and this is very likely. Saw the same thing happen to prominent docs, lawyers, police offers, etc.
 
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SobeVol said:
A drug test would be included in any neurologic trauma patient coming into an ER to establish a baseline and to if any symptoms could be related to same. Part of the trauma protocol.
If he tested positive the university (and likely the NCAA) would have seen the results as the bills are being paid for by their insurance policies. Plausible deniability is lost. I suspect that is the origin of the dismissal.
No inside info, but spent 6 years as a trauma doc, and this is very likely. Saw the same thing happen to prominent docs, lawyers, police offers, etc.
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UT would not use the test from the hospital as grounds for dismissal, those come from NCAA test. He got randomly popped last week, UT got the results of those test back Monday. Sh!tty timing but thats how that went down

This was his third failed test, he failed one last year and was suspended.

http://archive.knoxnews.com/sports/vols/football/vols-dt-danny-obrien-suspended-for-violation-of-team-rules-ep-1266105450-361954501.html?d=mobile
 
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Good luck to O'Brien in his future endeavors and next man up. I think Tuttle will get more playing time.
 
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Rockytoptn83 said:
I can tell who the millenials are in here :p Regardless of your opinion on weed, the fact is that all players agree to abstain as a condition to being on the team. They know the rules. Not only that, but it can make you much less reactive and productive on the field. Why risk it? You hurt yourself and your team. I hate it for him, but he made his choices. *Assuming of course this is the reason he was dismissed.
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Criticize the millennials for all sorts of good reasons. Just know that exceptional prevalence of drug use isn't one of them.

"The Wall Street Journal reports that older adults are abusing drugs, getting arrested for drug offenses and dying from drug overdoses at increasingly higher rates. These surges have come as 76 million baby boomers, who as youths used drugs at the highest rates of any generation, reach late middle age." **

And...

"In general, the younger millennials, born after 1990, are less likely to use marijuana or binge drink than the boomers or the Gen Xers before them. " **

The millenials just don't want their grandparents, the baby boomers, going to jail for rolling up a doobie. If that also means that some college kid doesn't get booted off a scholarship for the same thing, that is just collateral damage. I fall in the grey area between Gen X and Millennials, but I side with them on this.

And, believe it or not I am squarely conservative, but as the quote goes...

"I only seem liberal because I believe that hurricanes are caused by high barometric pressure and not gay marriage." (one of my favorites).

**see: How Scientists Compare Drug Use Across Generations - WSJ
 
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Jimmy Hyams: UT DT Danny O’Brien was dismissed after failing another drug test, according to 2 sources. He had 2 previous drug-related suspensions
 
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