Dance Instructor and student detained by Police...

[utvolpj]

it's not weird if you have kids. Any babysitter that comes to our house has access to something similar

 

[hndog609]

WTF? Why would he be carrying around a notarized statement to be her guardian???

I can see a permission slip or note or something. But a notarized statement? That's a little weird.

In another state with a 13yo to which I'm not related? I'd frigging INSIST on having something like that with me.

 

[govols/cc]

WTF? Why would he be carrying around a notarized statement to be her guardian???

I can see a permission slip or note or something. But a notarized statement? That's a little weird.

To avoid the very situation that occurred. I'm sure a hand written permission slip would've did the trick instead.

 

[lawgator1]

The police have responded:

“Given the age discrepancies between all involved, the fact that all three were from out of state, and the child had no relatives in the area … officers, in an abundance of caution, did their utmost to ensure her safety. In this instance, that involved further investigation by CPS."

 

[hndog609]

The police have responded:

“Given the age discrepancies between all involved, the fact that all three were from out of state, and the child had no relatives in the area … officers, in an overabundance of caution, did their utmost to ensure her safety. In this instance, that involved further investigation by CPS."

I understand caution. I find it extremely easy to believe their (the detainees) stories could have been vetted with less "caution" than shown in this case.

 

[hog88]

WTF? Why would he be carrying around a notarized statement to be her guardian???

I can see a permission slip or note or something. But a notarized statement? That's a little weird.

Don't have kids do you?

We had to do this for a couple out of state field trips when the ankle biters were in school.

 

[Velo Vol]

I can see a permission slip or note or something. But a notarized statement? That's a little weird.

Seems times have changed. I never had permission notes notarized back when I was a youngster.

 

[lawgator1]

I understand caution. I find it extremely easy to believe their (the detainees) stories could have been vetted with less "caution" than shown in this case.

The test is not perfection. Its reasonableness. And what exactly would you have had them do?

Let's say they take the girl aside and get her parents' number and call and no one answers.

Or someone answers and says its cool, then it turns out later they were in on it?

What fool proof way do they have to deal with it? And bear in mind their limitations in terms of time and resources.

And let's not forget they weren't just driving along. The three of them were asleep in a car. Isn't that a little unusual? And as I read the article no one was actually arrested. They were briefly cuffed and detained during the initial investigation, but seems they were let go and the girl taken to CPS so they could check into it. Emmanuel Hurd, Landry Thompson's Dance Instructor, Believes He Was Victim Of Racial Profiling

What's the alternative?

 

[hog88]

Seems times have changed. I never had permission notes notarized back when I was a youngster.

You can thank the LGs of the world for that.

 

[lawgator1]

Here's some pics of him from his facebook page:

 

[hohenfelsvol]

In cases where the authorities take precaution and are wrong they get roasted. Where they are right and save a child, awards are given. Wasn't there, so I'm going to hold out on this one.

 

[therealUT]

Here's some pics of him from his facebook page:

What the hell was the point of that, LG?

Are those pictures supposed to somehow support your argument that the police were justified in arresting and taking these individuals into custody?

 

[hndog609]

The test is not perfection. Its reasonableness. And what exactly would you have had them do?

Let's say they take the girl aside and get her parents' number and call and no one answers.

Or someone answers and says its cool, then it turns out later they were in on it?

What fool proof way do they have to deal with it? And bear in mind their limitations in terms of time and resources.

And let's not forget they weren't just driving along. The three of them were asleep in a car. Isn't that a little unusual? And as I read the article no one was actually arrested. They were briefly cuffed and detained during the initial investigation, but seems they were let go and the girl taken to CPS so they could check into it. Emmanuel Hurd, Landry Thompson's Dance Instructor, Believes He Was Victim Of Racial Profiling

What's the alternative?

I'd pay more attention to your concerns if they were more germane to this case.

Thompson and Hurd kept trying to tell their story, but said the officers weren't listening. Nor did they pay attention to the note. Instead, they put cuffs on Thompson and took her to Child Protective Services, and contacted her mother, Destiny Thompson, back in Tulsa.
“I was horrified,” Destiny Thompson told KHOU-TV. “She was with the people I wanted her to be with. She was with people I trusted. And now she was taken away from those people and in a shelter with people I didn’t know.”

 

[lawgator1]

What the hell was the point of that, LG?

Are those pictures supposed to somehow support your argument that the police were justified in arresting and taking these individuals into custody?

He did not appear to be related to her, that turned out to be true. He's 29, she's 13. They turned it over to CPS who checked into the story and sent them on their way.

If the cops just believed the note and let them go and she turned up murdered, you'd be screaming they are incompetent.

 

[therealUT]

The test is not perfection. Its reasonableness. And what exactly would you have had them do?

Presume innocence.

Let's say they take the girl aside and get her parents' number and call and no one answers.

Presume innocence.

Or someone answers and says its cool, then it turns out later they were in on it?

Yep, that sucks. But, that's the risk we take in a free society.

What fool proof way do they have to deal with it? And bear in mind their limitations in terms of time and resources.

They do not have a fool proof way. Another risk of living in a free society.

And let's not forget they weren't just driving along. The three of them were asleep in a car. Isn't that a little unusual?

Since when is "unusual" a crime?

And as I read the article no one was actually arrested. They were briefly cuffed and detained during the initial investigation, but seems they were let go

This is rich, but...

and the girl taken to CPS so they could check into it. Emmanuel Hurd, Landry Thompson's Dance Instructor, Believes He Was Victim Of Racial Profiling

...this is even richer.

What's the alternative?

Presume innocence.

 

[therealUT]

He did not appear to be related to her, that turned out to be true. He's 29, she's 13. They turned it over to CPS who checked into the story and sent them on their way.

If the cops just believed the note and let them go and she turned up murdered, you'd be screaming they are incompetent.

Negative. I'd be saying the cops did the right thing, the result is unfortunate, the cops are not to blame, and that is the risk we take and bear when we live in a free society which extols the virtues of presuming innocence and not cuffing and detaining individuals for being "unusual".

Again, though, what was your point in posting those pictures? What do you think those pictures are supposed to do for your argument?

 

[lawgator1]

Presume innocence.



Presume innocence.



Yep, that sucks. But, that's the risk we take in a free society.



They do not have a fool proof way. Another risk of living in a free society.



Since when is "unusual" a crime?



Presume innocence.

You don't deal with what I deal with, evidently. Cops constantly getting sued for presuming the wrong thing was innocuous, often with tragic, unimaginably horrible consequences.

They do their best and if it can be argued they did too much they are accused of overreacting. If it can be argued they did too little, they get accused of being lazy. All by people not in their shoes and not witnessing what they witnessed.

Here they come across a car in the middle of the night with a young teenage girl accompanied by two men who are not related to her. They are all oddly asleep in the car. Their explanation? Taking a nap as they tried to find their hotel. Oh, and we have a note that says its okay.

Sure, just send them on their way. Nothing bad could happen here.

This wasn't a group of kids with teachers on a school bus going to the museum on a field trip in the middle of the day. These are unrelated people from a different state asleep in a car in the middle of the night with a freakin' note. Come on.

 

[lawgator1]

And I posted the pics precisely for the reason you suspect. So that people ask themselves, truly, what they would do coming across that car with the people inside asleep. And a note.

You just tell them to go on? Anyone who says that is a liar.

 

[hog88]

You don't deal with what I deal with, evidently. Cops constantly getting sued for presuming the wrong thing was innocuous, often with tragic, unimaginably horrible consequences.

They do their best and if it can be argued they did too much they are accused of overreacting. If it can be argued they did too little, they get accused of being lazy. All by people not in their shoes and not witnessing what they witnessed.

Here they come across a car in the middle of the night with a young teenage girl accompanied by two men who are not related to her. They are all oddly asleep in the car. Their explanation? Taking a nap as they tried to find their hotel. Oh, and we have a note that says its okay.

Sure, just send them on their way. Nothing bad could happen here.

This wasn't a group of kids with teachers on a school bus going to the museum on a field trip in the middle of the day. These are unrelated people from a different state asleep in a car in the middle of the night with a freakin' note. Come on.

Is that illegal in NY? What was the probable cause in the first place? Different ages/races?

 

[hndog609]

And I posted the pics precisely for the reason you suspect. So that people ask themselves, truly, what they would do coming across that car with the people inside asleep. And a note.

You just tell them to go on? Anyone who says that is a liar.

So out of the gate it's weird that he had a notarized statement:

WTF? Why would he be carrying around a notarized statement to be her guardian???

I can see a permission slip or note or something. But a notarized statement? That's a little weird.

but now it suits your purposes to describe it as just a "note". Uh huh. And while we're at it let's create the impression that the only alternative to what happened would be to investigate nothing and "just tell them to go on". Riiigght...that's the other side of the argument.

You've got a severe case of lame this evening.

 

[therealUT]

You don't deal with what I deal with, evidently.

I don't care what you deal with. And, would individuals sue if the scenario turned out differently? Probably. Should they have any leg to stand on? No. You must think freedom and liberty are mere meaningless buzzwords if you think it right to cuff and detain individuals for simply doing something unusual.

This wasn't a group of kids with teachers on a school bus going to the museum on a field trip in the middle of the day. These are unrelated people from a different state asleep in a car in the middle of the night with a freakin' note. Come on.

Hell, I care little to nothing about the note. Bottom line is the cops had no evidence that anything wrong had occurred. They saw two older black men with a younger white child, and they immediately thought something 'unusual' must be criminal.

 

[therealUT]

And I posted the pics precisely for the reason you suspect. So that people ask themselves, truly, what they would do coming across that car with the people inside asleep. And a note.

You just tell them to go on? Anyone who says that is a liar.

I would tell them to just go on. If I truly had a feeling that it was suspicious, then I might simply follow them, so long as they are in the public domain. But, do I cuff them? Hell no. Do I send the girl to CPS? Again, hell no.

 

[lawgator1]

I would tell them to just go on. If I truly had a feeling that it was suspicious, then I might simply follow them, so long as they are in the public domain. But, do I cuff them? Hell no. Do I send the girl to CPS? Again, hell no.

We'll agree to disagree then. Onward and upward.

 

[Obsessed]

We'll agree to disagree then. Onward and upward.

Was he dressed like the pics you posted when officers approached? I imagine not. I'd imagine he was clean cut and dressed casually.

You and your racism. Never ceases to exist.

 

[hndog609]

was he dressed like the pics you posted when officers approached? I imagine not. I'd imagine he was clean cut and dressed casually.

You and your racism. Never ceases.

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