Dan Patrick Show about Dooley's WWII Comment / Around the Horn too

#78
#78
Good grief people.

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#79
#79
PMC2726 said:
Please share...... I haven't really heard anyone be brutal yet in the media other than to say "what he said is true, but not smart." Thanks.
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Went off on Dooley not understanding why Tennessee is called the Volunteer State and told him to shutup and apologize.
 
#80
#80
They also said rommel was in africa at the time of the normandy invasion -- which is not correct. He said Dooley has never been to normandy, never seen the craters, and doesn't understand what happened there. One of them went on to say he should apologize or be fired.

This is ridiculous
 
#81
#81
Coaches engage in "coach-speak" for a good reason. Writers will pick up on anything to try to make a story out of typical boring press conferences. I think it was incredibly dumb for Dooley to go off into left field with his little history lesson, and I think he is probably telling himself exactly that right now. I'm pretty confident his dad, Vince, who never uttered a controversial statement in his life, has told him likewise.
 
#82
#82
reeceb73 said:
They also said rommel was in africa at the time of the normandy invasion -- which is not correct. He said Dooley has never been to normandy, never seen the craters, and doesn't understand what happened there. One of them went on to say he should apologize or be fired.

This is ridiculous
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they should apologize to the Volunteer state for assuming that our coach was comparing us to the nazi army ...Rommel was actually at a birthday party for his wife during the invasion.... these reporters need to get their facts right of be fired themselves :crazy:
 
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#83
Duo said:
Went off on Dooley not understanding why Tennessee is called the Volunteer State and told him to shutup and apologize.
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not only that but he said something to the effect of "he should quit his job"
 
#84
#84
SpaceCoastVol said:
As a former Naval officer (and gentleman) I think his analogy was just fine.....
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I wholeheartedly agree with you but had to laugh when I saw your avatar as it's likely to start an entirely new firestorm. (Wait, I can't say "firestorm" as it is a reference to Dresden and Tokyo). How about "a whole new thread?"
 
#85
#85
wolfe said:
Maybe that's why he can't coach.
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We really will not know that till about a year from now and I hope he's a great coach.....dooley really does think a little differently, like his mom....i imagine he will make obtuse references from time to time.....i have family buried in europe that died while fighting the german army....i do not take offense but do think it was a ill conceived analogy...hey it's not like i never stuck my foot in my mouth....
 
#86
#86
I'd be going for a Phil Jackson apology here. Something along the lines of...

"I would like to take a moment to apologize to anyone who was offended by what I said,namely, the historically ignorant, the illiterate, and the mamby-pamby crowd that gets their thongs in a wad over anything real or perceived. Since I have heard not a word from any veterans' groups, the Anti-Defamation League, or anyone else outside of a few shrieking harpies who get offended on behalf of others, it's safe to say that exactly 11 people who do not collect their paychecks from a media group can now go back to writing irate letters to the editors of Parade magazine. Thank you, and bite me."
 
#87
#87
I didn't hear any of the commentary from DP but I read Dooley's comments and he said, "I don't want the German people to get upset at me. I'm not attacking them, but that's what happened." to which I thought in my head, "How could anybody possibly take this the wrong way and get upset?" Apparently some people did.
 
#88
#88
One of the many reasons I hate ESPN. They do hate Tennessee and use any and every chance they have to do so. Ridiculous.
 
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#90
#90
DocVol said:
One of the many reasons I hate ESPN. They do hate Tennessee and use any and every chance they have to do so. Ridiculous.
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You will be flamed for suggesting that ESPN hates UT. But I somewhat agree with you. I don't think they hate us, they could just care less how they negatively affect our program by making such hasty judgements about statements that are taken out of context.
 
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#91
Vols520 said:
So if the team is like German soliders, is he like hitler?

Instead of killing jews, is he just destroying our program?

That's the second part of the analogy.
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Your insight is amazing, and by your avatar I can tell you are a man of great intelligence...
 
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Ohio Vol said:
I'd be going for a Phil Jackson apology here. Something along the lines of...

"I would like to take a moment to apologize to anyone who was offended by what I said,namely, the historically ignorant, the illiterate, and the mamby-pamby crowd that gets their thongs in a wad over anything real or perceived. Since I have heard not a word from any veterans' groups, the Anti-Defamation League, or anyone else outside of a few shrieking harpies who get offended on behalf of others, it's safe to say that exactly 11 people who do not collect their paychecks from a media group can now go back to writing irate letters to the editors of Parade magazine. Thank you, and bite me."
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You covered it all, well done.
 
#93
#93
I liked Dooley's analogy. But he needs to recognize two things:

1. A lot of people are not smart enough to understand what he meant. This leaves a lot of room for misunderstanding, misconstruction, and the texas goat roping that has followed his comments.

2. He ain't at Tech anymore. EVERYTHING he says as HC at Tennessee will be subject to scrutiny. My guess is that he is smart enough to learn from mistakes.
 
#94
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FuriousVOL said:
Or dumb enough to think that in this age of GOTCHA! Journalism, he wouldn't open himself up for this.

It's stupid on both Dooley's part for saying it and stupid for the media to be feasting on it.
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Stupid on Dooleys part why? He is an intelligent man who used an intelligent analogy that when looked at makes perfect sense.

It's the idiocy of the media that is what is stupid here. They are flat out wrong in this case as in most every thing they report on. BAMCIS
 
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UtahVol said:
I wholeheartedly agree with you but had to laugh when I saw your avatar as it's likely to start an entirely new firestorm. (Wait, I can't say "firestorm" as it is a reference to Dresden and Tokyo). How about "a whole new thread?"
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You cant say thread either because some may think it is in reference to Women being forced to sew, which is totally sexist . BAMCIS
 
#96
#96
movolfan0203 said:
Coach Dooley,

Contrary to what you may be hearing in the press, and possibly from within the University administration, I want to let you know that I completely agree with the analogy you made yesterday likening our current Tennessee football team to the German grunts staring out over the English Channel on 6 June, 1944. Seizing and maintaining the initiative in battle is critical….the side that does it wins, and the side that fails to do it loses. Football is no different.

Unfortunately, many will fault you for daring to compare combat and football. As you are aware, many of our nation’s greatest warriors have honed their skills on the football field. Generals MacArthur, Patton, Eisenhower, and Neyland all understood that the fundamental characteristics and attributes that make a football player and team successful are also critical on the battlefield. It was precisely for this reason that General MacArthur, while Superintendant of the United States Military Academy, instituted a requirement for intramural athletics that remains to this day at West Point and has been followed in Annapolis and Colorado Springs. MacArthur’s belief that “Upon the friendly fields of strife are sown the seeds, that upon other fields, on other days, will bear the fruits of victory” is, and will remain, true.

Generals MacArthur, Patton, Eisenhower, and Neyland would have been rightfully frightened to take untrained, unprepared men, who lack the ability to exercise initiative to accomplish the mission, into battle. However, I am certain that these same men would have been loath to field a football team with those same characteristics, because they would lose on the field like they would in battle. That doesn’t mean that football is as important as combat, or that football players are performing as noble a duty as soldiers and Marines, it just means that the requisite characteristics and skills in both arenas are complimentary.

I love Tennessee football and I love the Marines I have had the good fortune to lead. I want both to fight and I want both to win. Sir, keep teaching these young men to seize the initiative and to never give up, drawing upon whatever historical lessons that may be necessary to do so, and worry not about what others might say. The victorious results we all want will follow.

Sincerely,

MoVolFan0203
USMC
USNA ‘97
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Sir,

Good post, its a sad case that so many cannot understand his analogy which was and is spot on, and very relevant to this and many other situations in which leadership is lacking.

On the other hand nice to see a Marine on this board.

Semper FI
 
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volconomist said:
Why, this is preposterous. You're trying to tell me that a serviceman is not completely offended by the analogy that Coach Dooley used to describe his team. I never would have guessed that, what with all these non servicemen telling me how offended servicemen would be.
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Here is another serviceman who is more than pleased that he used this analogy.
 
#98
#98
The fact that Dooley's analogy was SO misunderstood by SO many is SO sad on SO many levels!

And I am SO sorry for using the word SO so much.

To the veterans posting in this thread and on this board, thank you! I don't say that often enough.
 
#99
#99
So almost 70 years after the war you can't make light of something by using a WW2 analogy? I thought it was a very intelligent joke, that obviously ESPN's pea brains couldn't wrap themselves around. Much better than Lame's jokes.."huh huh we're gonna beat floriduh butthead huh huh." Maybe he was tired of using the same cliche comments to describe the bad breaks that have come his way in his first year of coaching. Go ahead and over-think and over-analyze something completely innocent people.
 
#100
#100
UtahVol said:
The analogy was good and expresses what it is like to have young teams and young soldiers. Both the Americans and Germans faced unexpected adversity on D-Day. The Germans were so unprepared that Rommel was in Germany celebrating his wife's birthday. The American gliders and pilots experienced heavy flak and were unable to drop the airborne attacks on the right location. The assault troops also encountered heavy resistance on the beaches they expected would be eliminated by naval bombardment.

The point Dooley was making is that when confronted with these problems, the Americans knew the plan sufficiently that they improvised and succeeded. The Germans were so locked into specific instructions that they froze, left massive reserve in Calais, and failed to stop the breakout. Dooley wants the players to understand the system sufficiently that they act on instinct rather than waiting for "proper instructions."

This is nothing like Kellen Winslow comparing himself to a soldier after the Miami loss to Tennessee. It is a simple comparison of two groups of people encountering hardship and how they reacted.
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Ding ding ding! we have a winner!
 
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