Dan Mullen thread (merged)

#976
#976
airvols said:
Why are media outlets pushing Mullen on Tennessee? It’s all over the radio in Nashville and Knoxville media they have on are pushing him as well. This guy is 7-32 against top 15 teams, can’t beat Bama or LSU and don’t recruit outside Mississippi. I just don’t think he’s the guy for a storied program like Tennessee.
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Probably because he's a damn good coach. What he's done at Miss St is almost a miracle. Tennessee could do a lot worse than Mullen.
 
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#977
#977
Mullen would be a Home Run imo. I know I'm in the minority but the man has made MSU a legit program. Imagine what we can do with a brand like ours
 
#979
#979
MSU used to be the vandy of the west. Now they are at least a respectable team and as mentioned above, he got them to a #1 ranking. Now imagine what he could accomplish with a decent football budget, better facilities, talent we have and bring in the east! This would be. Great hire!
 
#980
#980
The thought with Mullen is that he would do much better at UT with our superior level of talent. Its much easier to recruit elite athletes to UT than it is to recruit them to Mississippi State. As it is, Mullen has had Butch Jones levels of success and better with inferior talent in a much tougher West division. That is to say he overachieves with the talent he has, which makes one wonder what he could do in a lame duck East with elite talent.
 
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#981
dduncan4163 said:
He got MSU to a number one ranking. We could do way worse
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Mark Mangino got Kansas to 12-1

But I don't want him.

I know Mullen is on the list. I also think Mullen can do better than 7-5 at Tennessee but I don't think he can be much more than 9 wins a year maybe better sometimes.

Maybe no one can get Tennessee to 10-12 or better every year with 9 as a bad season...... But I think some other coaches have more up side and have a better chance to than Mullen.

For me Mullen is a good safe hire. But nothing shows he can take Tennessee to the promised land........ But he will consistently be good.
 
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#982
So you guys are good with us hiring Mullen who will be playing Chip Kelly and Satan every year. UNBELIEVABLE
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
In this thread: Mullen's excuses count. Butch's excuses don't count.
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I actually thought Butchs excuses did count...last year. Ya can't tell me starting OL and DE at DT to end the season didn't effect the defense. I put none of that on Butch.

But this year we BLEW games and opportunities way before the injury bug hit.
 
#985
#985
Mullen has finished a season ranked in only 2 of 9 seasons. The argument that he can develop talent doesn't make sense... He averages a top-25 class, but he doesn't finish in the top 25.
 
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LittleVol said:
No.

He went BCS bowl that year.

What are you talking about??
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Just looked it up... 2014 was his best year. Achieved a #1 ranking midseason before dropping 3 games. That appears to be one of two years (out of 9) where his final ranking was better than his recruiting ranking.
 
#990
#990
I'm bothered by his loss to South Alabama last year and the close call with UMass this year. Neither of those teams recruit anywhere near the level of Mississippi State... But they matched up against Mullen's teams very effectively.

I just struggle to see his coaching prowess.
 
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HuntsVol_AL said:
Mullen has finished a season ranked in only 2 of 9 seasons. The argument that he can develop talent doesn't make sense... He averages a top-25 class, but he doesn't finish in the top 25.
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here's their national recruiting rankings the past 9 years, oldest to newest:
53
18
30
41
22
24
36
18
28
average, w/out the 53rd ranking is 27th.

he took over in 2009, and aside from that 1st year, he's taken MSU to 7 straight bowl games, including an orange bowl in 2014/2015 and gator in 2010 where they beat Michigan.

he's 4-3 against Ole Miss, their biggest rival. he beat GA and FL in 2010. and he generally gets at least one marquis win a year against the likes of Auburn, LSU, aTm or an East opponent.

again, i think in any conversation you have about mullen, you have to apply the right context.

they've only finished ranked in the ap top 20/25 13 times in their history. and yes, Mullen has 2, 2010 and 2014. previous to that, their last AP ranked finish was 2000...they've only finished ranked in the coaches poll 7 times in their history, and Mullen has 2.

they only have 12 bowl wins in 20 appearances, all time, and mullen has 5 of the wins and 7 of the appearances.

all time, this is a program that has a .353 win % in the SEC. the only original member they have a winning record against is KY, at .511.

MSU's all time win % against all opponents is .492, Mullen is .602 at MSU.

i hate that it sounds like i'm just blindly defending him, cause i don't really want to, but i think he's not getting a fair shake in some instances, and if you really look at him, and what he's done at a program like MSU, you can't not be at least somewhat impressed....

relatively speaking, i think you tip your hat to Mullen.

his margin for error is greater at MSU, than it would be here, no argument. and i don't think that his entrance to the complex on the hill equates to 10 win seasons every year.

i do think it would be fair to say we could/should expect to be in ATL on some kind of regular basis, and we could/should most certainly expect to get more meaningful wins during the regular season than we're used to getting these days, at least setting up an opportunity to do more later post season wise.

anyway....really not trying to argue. i get why people are lukewarm on Mullen. i just think that's a visceral reaction to the "numbers", w/out any real thought or context applied to those numbers.
 
#993
#993
JMSqb11 said:
Yeah. Missed the part where he committed pass interference on 3rd and long and he was the reason Bama scored. Lol

Talent wins. Mullen’s 2 and 3 Stars took on Bama’s 5 Stars to the finish line.

Lol
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Seriously?
This is the definition of moral victory
L is an L regardless of margin.
 
#994
#994
airvols said:
Why are media outlets pushing Mullen on Tennessee? It’s all over the radio in Nashville and Knoxville media they have on are pushing him as well. This guy is 7-32 against top 15 teams, can’t beat Bama or LSU and don’t recruit outside Mississippi. I just don’t think he’s the guy for a storied program like Tennessee.
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What’s Grudens record against top 25 teams??
 
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Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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The question with him would he do better with better talent. If the answer is yes then he is our man.
 
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#997
jakez4ut said:
and i'd still take Frost over Mullen. but i wouldn't be mad at all if we got Mullen.
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Curious after everything shown about Mullens on here, why do you think Scott Frost is better ? Where is a Scott Frost win that just tells you he is the one ? I know he is undefeated this year, but look at who he beat. The one game that could tell Vol fans something was the cancelled game against Ga Tech. He has a good history and has been associated with good people but there is still a bigger gamble with Frost than Mullens.
 
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#998
Volfan2012 said:
The question with him would he do better with better talent. If the answer is yes then he is our man.
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That's the point that people (nega-Mullens?) don't seem to comprehend. Would we have not wanted James Franklin because he was just 11-13 in SEC play and never finished above 4th place in the East while at Vandy? Penn State saw the potential for him to exceed those numbers at a place where he could recruit higher level players and had great facilities and history. Most Vol fans see Mullens being able to do better for the same reasons. What he has proven at State is that he can develop talent and we desperately need that from the next coach.
 
#999
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Volhoops said:
Curious after everything shown about Mullens on here, why do you think Scott Frost is better ? Where is a Scott Frost win that just tells you he is the one ? I know he is undefeated this year, but look at who he beat. The one game that could tell Vol fans something was the cancelled game against Ga Tech. He has a good history and has been associated with good people but there is still a bigger gamble with Frost than Mullens.
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Bigger gamble but arguably a bigger upside. While he may not have a marquee win (blowing out a now ranked Memphis team wasn't bad though), he has taken a winless team to undefeated and ranked in under two years. He has learned under some very impressive coaches. Knows offense and defense and has coached and played on both sides.
 
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aRmo said:
What’s Grudens record against top 25 teams??
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Undefeated... whoops, beaten to the punch.

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