Dan Mullen and Historical Context: A Vague and Hastily Made Study

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vols1707 said:
Same comparisons were made on Butch leaving Cincinnati.

Tennessee needs someone who wins no matter the school.

Not another coach who has excuses why they don't win.
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Same comparisons were made of Butch? Huh! Butch followed Brian Kelly twice who did all the heavy lifting and program building. He should have been giving Brian Kelly half of his paycheck.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Pretty much it.

If it’s going to be Mullen, might as well just destroy our football program and get it over with.

If the fans are happy with 8-9 wins every year and meaningless bowl games, more power to them.
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as long as we don't freak out or anything....
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Pretty much it.

If it’s going to be Mullen, might as well just destroy our football program and get it over with.

If the fans are happy with 8-9 wins every year and meaningless bowl games, more power to them.
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Ok sure, but when or if he is hired by Currie and proceeds to dominate the East within 3 to 4 years please don’t come back and try to re-write history with your stance on him.
 
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UpstateVol613 said:
Same comparisons were made of Butch? Huh! Butch followed Brian Kelly twice who did all the heavy lifting and program building. He should have been giving Brian Kelly half of his paycheck.
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One rode Urban Meyer's success the other rode Brian Kelly...

In both cases the coach they rode is more successful than the other why you have
Mullen a little better than Butch
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Dan Mullen is not in the same league as any of those coaches, save for John Makovic.

32-38 SEC
2-15 vs. Top 25
0-9 vs. Bama

If we want a mediocre, eight win program, then we should hire him and get it over with already.
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This is wrong information.. he actually beat 3 top 10 teams, three weeks in a row back in ‘14

#8 LSU
#6 Ta&m
#2 Auburn

Can’t believe everything you hear/see..
 
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I see posters say “ throw the bank at Chris Peterson”

Do you realize that at Boise st, Peterson is very similar to Mullen, winning with 2 and 3* athletes.. only difference is Peterson didn’t have to play bama, LSU, Auburn, A&M plus whatever team in the east, year in and year out! Put Mullen in the mountain west and he would go undefeated every year!
 
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SCvol82 said:
This is wrong information.. he actually beat 3 top 10 teams, three weeks in a row back in ‘14

#8 LSU
#6 Ta&m
#2 Auburn

Can’t believe everything you hear/see..
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Pre season rankings..... were not good teams only one of those finished the season in the top 25 that year.

And I thought Auburn beat them that year?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Dan Mullen is not in the same league as any of those coaches, save for John Makovic.

32-38 SEC
2-15 vs. Top 25
0-9 vs. Bama

If we want a mediocre, eight win program, then we should hire him and get it over with already.
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Did you look at the records of the other coaches at their original schools? Did you actually read the OP at all?

VolFreakJosh said:
Pretty much it.

If it’s going to be Mullen, might as well just destroy our football program and get it over with.

If the fans are happy with 8-9 wins every year and meaningless bowl games, more power to them.
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Did you?

Did, like, half of the people in this thread?
 
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what is with these titles? historical context vague hastily study? What are we in, college literature 101?
 
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'Boro-vol said:
If Dan Mullen was such a great hire, it would be obvious without Case Studies, and Mathematical Analyses. We would not need to be convinced, and his supporters would not feel the need to do so.

Also, he would have already been hired away from Mississippi State by a larger program.
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The math and case studies are needed because of the football IQ of our fan base apparently. It’s not about Mullen, it’s about VN
 
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vols1707 said:
Pre season rankings..... were not good teams only one of those finished the season in the top 25 that year.

And I thought Auburn beat them that year?
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MSU won vs #2 auburn 38-23.. that’s how they earned the # 1 ranking for the next 4 weeks
 
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SCvol82 said:
That doesn’t make any sense at all. He beat them when they didn’t have a loss on their record.. and they were ranked.. so a 2-15 vs top 25 is false.. period
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Doesn’t make any sense at all? Sure they beat “ranked” teams, but don’t pretend those rankings were accurate. Just like Tennessee being ranked this year. Oh, and that team went on to lose to Paul Johnson’s Georgia Tech team in the Orange Bowl.
 
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VolNavy01 said:
Doesn’t make any sense at all? Sure they beat “ranked” teams, but don’t pretend those rankings were accurate. Just like Tennessee being ranked this year. Oh, and that team went on to lose to Paul Johnson’s Georgia Tech team in the Orange Bowl.
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it's not losing in the orange bowl, it's that he got MSU to the Orange bowl. MSU and BCS bowl.......?

anywho. mullen is a divisive topic right now. some see it one way, others see it another.

life goes on. there's only so many times we can keep saying the same things to each other, right?
 
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vols1707 said:
You do realize if you take Schiano's first 4 years out at Rutgers. When he was getting his recruits there to turn around a 20+ year average of 2 wins per season there.... once he got his recruits in place after those first 4 years

He then had a over .700 win percentage
Ranked multiple years in the top 10
And got Rutgers to 6 bowls and was 5-1 in them

You really don't understand football if you can't look past his record there when he was building that team for 4 years.
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Shut up Greg.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
If Dan Mullen was such a great hire, it would be obvious without Case Studies, and Mathematical Analyses. We would not need to be convinced, and his supporters would not feel the need to do so.

Also, he would have already been hired away from Mississippi State by a larger program.
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He's well compensated at Mississippi State, his wife likes it there, and they have low expectations. He's the best coach in their history and it's not really close. He has better accomplishments than James Franklin in a tougher place to win consistently.
 
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UTRavens said:
Did you look at the records of the other coaches at their original schools? Did you actually read the OP at all?



Did you?

Did, like, half of the people in this thread?
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They're going to stick to their opinions no matter what. And I'm guessing no they didn't read the OP but just came in here to post their stupidity.
 
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VolNavy01 said:
Doesn’t make any sense at all? Sure they beat “ranked” teams, but don’t pretend those rankings were accurate. Just like Tennessee being ranked this year. Oh, and that team went on to lose to Paul Johnson’s Georgia Tech team in the Orange Bowl.
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It should be noted though that Geoff Collins, the MSU DC at the time, accepted the DC position at UF and left after the Egg Bowl, so a position coach had to act as the interim DC and prepare the defense for that triple option attack.

Not saying MSU would have won if Collins was still DC, but that is still a tall order for a position coach to get a defense prepared for that offense.
 
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Mullen will probably get a little raise and/or extention and stay at State...got a good team...could be better next year...who needs the headache of a Vol rebuild for an extra mil...just don't see him coming...:twocents:

GO VOLS...BEAT VANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Dan Mullen is not in the same league as any of those coaches, save for John Makovic.

32-38 SEC
2-15 vs. Top 25
0-9 vs. Bama

If we want a mediocre, eight win program, then we should hire him and get it over with already.
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He still looks like one of our better choices from where I sit. I'll certainly forgive him for an 0-9 record against Alabama. I don't have the time but I'd be curious about MSUs record over the 20 years before Mullen against the SEC and top 25. He could easily be more than 'mediocre' given our advantages and has a lot better chance than many coaching candidates mentioned.
 
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