Daily Dose of Delusion, Part Deux

[OrangeEmpire]

You are telling me that people spin stats?

Well I never!

 

[GenNeyland9]

Florida had a little growth spurt while Spurrier was there, since he has left there growth has been retarded.

Almost as retarded as these "daily doses of reality."

I'd first ask your fellow Gator fans why they think Leak is overrated . . . Florida fans have been the ones calling for King Tebow to ascend to the starting job ever since he committed last February.

I personally think that Leak is a good (not great) QB. He's a very accurate passer, and he puts up tremendous numbers. He also may pass Manning in career yards this year, but I don't think we'll hear anyone say that Leak had a better collegiate career than Peyton, and no one will argue that he'll make a better pro.

I think the "overrated" factor comes from being the No. 1 QB coming out of high school in 2002 - 2003, and yet Florida continually loses 3 - 5 games/year and does not play for an SEC title.

 

[allvol]

The logic regarding breaking career records is irrelevant. Had Casey Clausen not missed games in his career due to injury, he had a good shot at breaking Manning's records. Does that mean that Clausen is better?

 

[OrangeEmpire]

The logic regarding breaking career records is irrelevant. Had Casey Clausen not missed games in his career due to injury, he had a good shot at breaking Manning's records. Does that mean that Clausen is better?

Break it down further, more games and bowl game stats count toward your season total.......

 

[Vol Mania 21]

interesting that lawgator has disappeared???? did he get a "dose of reality" hahaha just messin w/ u lawgator1 (but not really) but really

 

[GenNeyland9]

interesting that lawgator has disappeared???? did he get a "dose of reality" hahaha just messin w/ u lawgator1 (but not really) but really

Maybe he (or one of his clients) realized that he was billing too much time for "Volnation Chat Discussion: Drafted daily dose of reality."

What's the hourly rate for such excellent legal services in Florida?

 

[no1g8r]

ya, congrats on 25 yrs worth the tradition

Okay, here's a look back:

Gators winning percentage against the Vols (to present):

since the start of the '90's: 62.5%
since the start of the '80's: 66.7%
since the start of the '70's: 63.6%
since the start of the '60's: 65.2%
since the start of the '50's: 59.3%
since the start of the '40's: 55.2%
since the start of the '30's: 50.0%
since the start of the '20's: 47.1%
since the start of the '10's: 45.7%

Assuming a guy was 18 when he started at UT, you'd have to find a guy who was born before WWI, in 1912, to find someone whose current lifetime winning percentage as a student or alum is above 50%. That person would be 96 years old this year.

Data Source: http://www.gatorzone.com/football/history/calendar.pdf

 

[Lexvol]

Almost as retarded as these "daily doses of reality."

I'd first ask your fellow Gator fans why they think Leak is overrated . . . Florida fans have been the ones calling for King Tebow to ascend to the starting job ever since he committed last February.

I personally think that Leak is a good (not great) QB. He's a very accurate passer, and he puts up tremendous numbers. He also may pass Manning in career yards this year, but I don't think we'll hear anyone say that Leak had a better collegiate career than Peyton, and no one will argue that he'll make a better pro.

I think the "overrated" factor comes from being the No. 1 QB coming out of high school in 2002 - 2003, and yet Florida continually loses 3 - 5 games/year and does not play for an SEC title.

All good points. Chris has been a fish (or gator) out of water for his entire career. I draw more comparisons to CClausen than I do to Manning when it comes to Leak. Early in Leak's career the coaching he received was suspect at best. Considering that he has done exceptionally well.

That being said, Gator and UT fans alike thought he would lead UF to at least one national championship.

 

[kidbourbon]

lawgator:
don't get me wrong, i think you're a pretty nice guy. but why do you hang out on this board so much? are you a closet tennessee fan?

 

[lawgator1]

bama fading yes, UT?? no i don't think so, answer me this lawgator1 who has won a NC last between the 2 schools?

Tennessee.

Florida had a little growth spurt while Spurrier was there, since he has left there growth has been retarded.

Agree that Spurrier awoke the sleeping giant. Agree that the Gators took a step backward under Zook. This is Meyer's second season and things are moving back in the right direction with 9 wins last year. Let's see what he can do in years two and three.

I almost forgot..........Leak's SEC Champi.........nevermind................

LOL. Right up there with Manning's wins over Flor ..... never mind......

Maybe he (or one of his clients) realized that he was billing too much time for "Volnation Chat Discussion: Drafted daily dose of reality."

What's the hourly rate for such excellent legal services in Florida?

I do that pro bono, my friend. I'm just glad to conribute back to the community in this thankless way.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

Manning does have an SEC championship tho

 

[GenNeyland9]

Okay, here's a look back:

Gators winning percentage against the Vols (to present):

since the start of the '90's: 62.5%
since the start of the '80's: 66.7%
since the start of the '70's: 63.6%
since the start of the '60's: 65.2%
since the start of the '50's: 59.3%
since the start of the '40's: 55.2%
since the start of the '30's: 50.0%
since the start of the '20's: 47.1%
since the start of the '10's: 45.7%

Assuming a guy was 18 when he started at UT, you'd have to find a guy who was born before WWI, in 1912, to find someone whose lifetime current lifetime winning percentage as a student or alum is above 50%. That person would be 96 years old this year.

Data Source: http://www.gatorzone.com/football/history/calendar.pdf

So wait, you're basing "tradition" on performance against one team?

Tradition means being a major player and program for more than 25 years. Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Tennessee and Alabama (among others) have tradition. Florida State, Miami and Florida (among others) do not. Granted, the Gators have more than Miami or FSU, but that ain't saying much.

Tradition also means more than having a Gatorade commerical featuring Keith Jackson talking about how a Florida coach wanted to know why his players "weren't going [to the bathroom] during the game . . . "

 

[lawgator1]

All good points. Chris has been a fish (or gator) out of water for his entire career. I draw more comparisons to CClausen than I do to Manning when it comes to Leak. Early in Leak's career the coaching he received was suspect at best. Considering that he has done exceptionally well.

That being said, Gator and UT fans alike thought he would lead UF to at least one national championship.

And he may yet do just that ....

Probably not, of course. I think the guy has been somewhat hampered by all of the crap swirling around the program. It really is a big deal that this is the first time in his college career that the coordinator is the same guy from one year to the next. I think that makes a difference.

lawgator:
don't get me wrong, i think you're a pretty nice guy. but why do you hang out on this board so much? are you a closet tennessee fan?

I am a fan of UT, except when they compete against, or are being compared to, the University of Florida. Same with Alabama, Auburn, LSU. But not FSU. They suck. Forever and always.

 

[GenNeyland9]

I do that pro bono, my friend. I'm just glad to conribute back to the community in this thankless way.

That's very noble. I hope I can get pro bono credit in the future by visiting a Gator message board and "contributing."

 

[Vol Mania 21]

Amen General

 

[Lexvol]

And he may yet do just that ....

Probably not, of course. I think the guy has been somewhat hampered by all of the crap swirling around the program. It really is a big deal that this is the first time in his college career that the coordinator is the same guy from one year to the next. I think that makes a difference.

This is all perception and opinion, but for some reason Chris has also seemed a little "soft" to me. It is not based on numbers or wins and losses. There seems to be a timidity there that is inexplicable. This is one of the reasons why I think UT has a shot as long as he is there.

 

[tidwell]

Tradition means being a major player and program for more than 25 years. Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Tennessee and Alabama (among others) have tradition. Florida State, Miami and Florida (among others) do not. Granted, the Gators have more than Miami or FSU, but that ain't saying much.

Hat will have a field day with this.

 

[JasonCajun]

I think you're silly comparing Leak to Manning. What you don't take into consideration is number of games played, which bowl stats are now included.

Player Games Yards Yards/game
Leak 40 8871 221
Manning 45 11201 249

Even if Leak passes Manning in yardage, that is like Sammy Sosa passing Babe Ruth. Ruth didn't play 162 games/year and Manning did not have his bowl stats count for him. Not to mention Manning only played half of his freshman year after sharing time with Helton, then Brandon Stewart.

Want to compare their winning percentages?

 

[lawgator1]

That's very noble. I hope I can get pro bono credit in the future by visiting a Gator message board and "contributing."

I do it out of a sense of duty to educate the Vol fanbase out there. I view it as a form of missionary work. You know, like where the nuns go into the jungles of Haiti to feed the starving children. I go out onto the net, to give information and insight to those less fortunate than myself.

Hat will have a field day with this.

He'll have a field day with anything. The guy's a trooper.

 

[doozer]

what has Leak done again?

 

[no1g8r]

Chris Leak came out of high school touted as "The Savior" for whatever program he went to... Leak can put up all the numbers he wants, however, he was supposed to come out and win national championships at Florida, along with a Heisman or two...he has laid eggs in both categories, and has also failed to bring Florida even an SEC East title.

In defense of Leak, when these statements were made he was being recruited by Steve Spurrier. Leak's chances of achieving those aspirations we pretty decent prior to Spurrier's departure. I don't think that anyone thought that UF was likely to win a NC anytime soon starting with right after Zook was hired. In Leak's 4 years at UF, this is the first year where he's played in the same offensive system, under the same offensive coordinator, 2 years in a row.

He's done pretty well under those circumstances, and I'm sure that Leak himself would be the first to tell you that he's disappointed that goals haven't been achieved over the past 3 years. Vols fans think their guys are hungry - try going through what UF's offense has been through the past 4 years and see if you think UF players have a reason to be even hungrier.

Not that "hungry" wins the game. Skill, speed, toughness, and determination win this game. I don't think there's a shortage of that on either side - which should make for a great game!

 

[lawgator1]

I think you're silly comparing Leak to Manning. What you don't take into consideration is number of games played, which bowl stats are now included.

Player Games Yards Yards/game
Leak 40 8871 221
Manning 45 11201 249

Even if Leak passes Manning in yardage, that is like Sammy Sosa passing Babe Ruth. Ruth didn't play 162 games/year and Manning did have his bowl stats count for him. Not to mention Manning only played half of his freshman year after sharing time with Helton, then Brandon Stewart.

Want to compare their winning percentages?

The problem with your reasoning is that you stop at "games played." Leak has been pulled form a lot of games where the Gators took the game out of reach. The last two are excellent examples.

As to winning percentages, that's a valid basis of comparison but it is a better measure of a team's performance, rather than an indivudual's, for obvious reasons.

I'm not saying that Leak is BETTER than Manning. I'm just saying that I wish he'd get SOME respect on here. I mean, why is it that people just refuse to say straight up that the kid can throw a good ball and leaveit at that. Its always, "He's good, but ...." Or "I like Leak's ability except ...."

 

[therealUT]

Okay, here's a look back:

Gators winning percentage against the Vols (to present):

since the start of the '90's: 62.5%
since the start of the '80's: 66.7%
since the start of the '70's: 63.6%
since the start of the '60's: 65.2%
since the start of the '50's: 59.3%
since the start of the '40's: 55.2%
since the start of the '30's: 50.0%
since the start of the '20's: 47.1%
since the start of the '10's: 45.7%

Assuming a guy was 18 when he started at UT, you'd have to find a guy who was born before WWI, in 1912, to find someone whose current lifetime winning percentage as a student or alum is above 50%. That person would be 96 years old this year.

Data Source: http://www.gatorzone.com/football/history/calendar.pdf

Take away the Steve Spurrier years and Florida leads the series 8-7 since 1950. Your statistics are skewed because prior to the 90s, UT and Florida met maybe 3 times a decade. So, since Florida won 70% of the matchups in the 90s it holds more weight.

 

[lawgator1]

Can I just say, Go Ye Mighty Gators?

Thanks.

 

[Vol Mania 21]

Not here you can't