Daily Beacon article this morning...

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Scotty's Flat Top said:
True Vol fan. I see this term thrown around a lot in this forum? What is it? What constitutes it? I am assuming it requires everyone to be sheep and think positive thoughts and if their opinion differs from the yours then they acquire the handle "not a true fan".
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no sheep here pal. he needs to be gone but there is a class way to do it and that's the road we need to go down. if you didn't want him to win when he first got here then your not a true vol fan period. if you have any other agenda other than winning football games you are not a true vol fan.
 
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bigorangefan26 said:
Excerpt from today's Daily Beacon:



Has the sympathy card been played? What is your take on this? Should we really feel sorry for Dooley? Or does he deserve the heat he's under right now?

EDIT: to clarify, I do genuinely sympathize with the man. It breaks my heart to see such a nice guy have such a bad turn of events. It really does...
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Coach Dooley has been treated like a dog by a bunch of hysterical fans or fans of other Universities who do not understand or care about the situation which he inherited . In addition you have dimwitted journalist such s Hyams and Adams who's articles emphasize the negative and are meant to create discord among fans during periods when our sports teams are not at the top in the Nation. Do I feel sorry for Dooley? Yes. I feel sorry for any coach who has the unfortunate task of trying to rebuild a Program which had been allowed to deteriorate for a number of years. These same posters were very critical of Coach Martin when he was hired, even before his team played a single game. It saddens me that our coaches have to be exposed to such undeserved comments from either uninformed or uneducated individuals. The history of many posters on this and other boards is to created false information in their posts and many readers can not or do not want to separate the truth from the lies. This a determent to the administrators of the boards as well as the University, it coaches, and it fans. One seriously has to wonder about the character of these posters and their background. No one should be exposed to what happened to Coach Dooley last Saturday. Just my opinion.
 
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It's only a football game? No, this is the South. Here football is not a matter of life and death - it's much more important than that.
 
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emainvol said:
This article is a crock of ****. Pardon me if I don't give a flying **** how one man is feeling about a few chants when he is about to have a 5 million dollar payout for being bad at his job. His children will never want for anything, he will still make money the rest of his life, his wife will still make money the rest of her life, and all the while real people are out there struggling. So, yeah, people can shove this sympathy ****, he knew what he was getting into.
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THIS! Unbelievable on a Vol Fan page to have such venom. Really! There comes a point when it is not about the money. Wish you could be shoved off this message board. Just wrong man.

If someone didnt' try then be pissed off for taking $5M payout. But don't think Dooley did not give this his best. Someone who gave it their best, just wrong to talk this way.
 
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I applaud the journalist that wrote the article because he didn't do the easy thing of jumping on the Dooley bashing bandwagon. Instead he pointed out a tender moment between a man and the family that he loves and who love him. Now and then everyone needs to step back and look at the big picture. Yes, CDD makes a lot of money but so do a lot of other people. Why should he not be afforded special moments with his family when others are allowed to without unwarranted criticism.
 
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If you only knew how he treated the people he's in contact with everyday. My cousin works closely with Dooley on a daily basis, and he's an awful person. Sympathy is not felt by ANYONE that has contact with him everyday, I assure you. He's an Ass.
 
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emainvol said:
Why the hell would Bray come back if Dooley is back? What does he possibly have to gain from that?

Further, what evidence do you have that the defense will be straightened out?
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Don't think Bray's draft stock will be high enough. One more year to develop. Dooley isn't stopping Bray from performing. Bray goes now he won't be a 1st round pick IMO. He will have 2 1/2 years (out part of last year) and no signature win. So my gut feeling is he will be back. The young man needs a year of maturity, and not just from playing, but also from manhood, responsibility etc...

No evidence defense will turn around. Unless Dooley is a fool (he is not) his priority will be on the defense in the off season. But it should turn around. If stick with 3-4 one more year of players learning system and recruiting the right players. If Sal is gone, then more stable system hopefully.

Just for conversation, do you think that Bray will actually leave after this year? Hell, if I was in his shoes I would buy an insurance policy for $3M and do one more year if it makes a difference on 1st round vs 4th round.
 
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1972 Grad said:
There wouldn't be any big salaries or buyouts if there weren't people like you , who attach way too much importance to a stupid football game. Sounds like class envy on your part.
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So, we shouldn't measure a coach by his performance in football games? You are a smart one aren't you?

And you can go to hell with the class envy ****. Derek Dooley will be fine, so no I don't feel sorry for him.


JohnBoyBilly said:
THIS! Unbelievable on a Vol Fan page to have such venom. Really! There comes a point when it is not about the money. Wish you could be shoved off this message board. Just wrong man.

If someone didnt' try then be pissed off for taking $5M payout. But don't think Dooley did not give this his best. Someone who gave it their best, just wrong to talk this way.
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I didn't say I was pissed at him, I said I don't give a **** how he feels. I wouldn't expect anyone to feel bad for me if I got a substantial buyout for being bad at my job.
 
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JohnBoyBilly said:
Don't think Bray's draft stock will be high enough. One more year to develop. Dooley isn't stopping Bray from performing. Bray goes now he won't be a 1st round pick IMO. He will have 2 1/2 years (out part of last year) and no signature win. So my gut feeling is he will be back. The young man needs a year of maturity, and not just from playing, but also from manhood, responsibility etc...

No evidence defense will turn around. Unless Dooley is a fool (he is not) his priority will be on the defense in the off season. But it should turn around. If stick with 3-4 one more year of players learning system and recruiting the right players. If Sal is gone, then more stable system hopefully.

Just for conversation, do you think that Bray will actually leave after this year? Hell, if I was in his shoes I would buy an insurance policy for $3M and do one more year if it makes a difference on 1st round vs 4th round.
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Only way Bray stays is with a new coach or someone says he has fallen out of draft completely. You tell me which one is a more likely scenario.
 
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JohnBoyBilly said:
I would put a stack of 20s on the fact he is here next year. Exactly the classless comebacks I have come to expect on here.
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Dude, you've never seen a stack of ones let alone 20's. Let's do a VN Ban of 1 month if Dools is here next year. You in?
 
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No..I don't feel sorry for the man, I hate his family has to hear those things, but the fact is: HE is the HC of one of the nations most storied programs!!! He knew he would be in the spotlight when he took the job...SUCKS TO BE FAMOUS and RICH!!!
 
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vol48 said:
No..I don't feel sorry for the man, I hate his family has to hear those things, but the fact is: HE is the HC of one of the nations most storied programs!!! He knew he would be in the spotlight when he took the job...SUCKS TO BE FAMOUS and RICH!!!
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Yeah, I am sure he lives such a tortured life. The lowly unemployed in this country have no idea how hard it is to be a college head coach with a 5 million dollar buyout. All those poor bastards just have no work ethic, aren't nice enough, don't wear orange pants, have had plenty of time to implement their process, and above all else, they have class envy.
 
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The editior of the beacon is a she, not a he.

Not a fan of her angle here.

Its all part of the job. If you Can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen. He knew stakes were high when he took the job, but now were supposed to feel sorry for him because he has a family? Or bc he wasn't able to do his job at a high enough level?

Cry about it why doncha.
 
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Unfortunately this is a business like it or not, and if you can't get the job done, it's time for a change. And for these excuses that UT is in the hardest league in the country and he should be given a reprieve they are wrong. He was hired to win in this league and if you can't, then the writing is on the wall. Seems like a stand up guy, but UT football needs W's not likeability
 
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I dont dislike dooley as a person. I just dont think he is the right coach for an sec team.
do I feel sorry for him? no not really.. he will get more money for being fired than most of us will see in our lifetime. lets just say thanks for trying give him his check and move on.
 
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As a father myself, it is very disappointing to hear how some talk about firing Dooley. Yes, it may be time. Yes, he has a horrible record in the SEC. Yes, he may not be a great coach. And yes, he's a Big Boy, with a Big Buy-Out.

But anyone who's a Dad (really anyone at all) should be able to...at the very least...recognize that firing a coach also dislocates the families of that coach AND, likely, most of his coaching staff.

That doesn't mean we don't fire anyone because it's hard on their families.
But it does mean we should do it with dignity. No need to hate on the guy. Also, nothing wrong with (and everything right with) recognizing that it's hard for kids to hear all the hatred towards their Dad and then have to get up and move, start a new school somewhere else, make all new friends.

As Dooley would said, "That's life". But man, can't we at least treat the guy with class and dignity???? It's not like he's trying to run the program in the ground.
 
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He'll be just fine. Once he leaves, everybody will leave him alone. Sure, we don't need to scream at him and his kid - that's common sense. But he has a golden parachute waiting to open - AND a whopper inheritence from Vince coming his way one day. I don't feel sorry for him.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Are you implying that the coaching staff and players are trying to lose? Maybe if they knew that your happiness and very existence depended on a win, they would try harder.
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Don't cry ok, i didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

I know the players are putting in the effort. the problem is that the HC is Incappable of winning.
 
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Orange81 said:
3.6 million a year isn't very low.
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He gets 1.8 mil a yr if he max's out not 3.6. He's still the coach. If he gets let go then that's a different story.

The fact that he was able to negotiate a high buyout is good on him and meant to make sure he didn't get fired before the rebuild was done. Some of y'all on here are just ridiculous. It's not that tough to understand that his first job is to rebuild the programs foundation, and gradually bring wins. Takes time.

Some of y'all come off as so ignorant it sounds like Hart is going to hand him a big board check for 5 mil the day it's announced. It's paid over yrs. I know it's a lot but y'all really do need to check your envy meters cause its not hard to tell which one of y'all have some issues bigger than UT football.
 
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emainvol said:
This article is a crock of ****. Pardon me if I don't give a flying **** how one man is feeling about a few chants when he is about to have a 5 million dollar payout for being bad at his job. His children will never want for anything, he will still make money the rest of his life, his wife will still make money the rest of her life, and all the while real people are out there struggling. So, yeah, people can shove this sympathy ****, he knew what he was getting into.
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Did that rant make you feel better?
 
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Spawn said:
Don't cry ok, i didn't mean to hurt your feelings.

I know the players are putting in the effort. the problem is that the HC is Incappable of winning.
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Yeah I'm sure you'd do a better job :bad: it's easy to sit behind your computer and talk trash, and say "well I don't get paid to do it". :blink:
 
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