Cutcliffe: Fulmer's worst move as HC?

#26
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crazyguy said:
Give them time, it's not like they got much to work with last year.


better than sanders...yes.

Guys, i'm not saying that he's the best OC out there. I'm just saying the O is in better place than it was when he was gone.
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How many 1,000 yard rushers have we had since Cut has been back. Weren't we like the worst rushing team in the SEC last year? How is that better?
 
#30
#30
Its true; the defense is the struggle,well the D as well too. Go back and look at Utah's record when Meyer was there,some of the teams started to figure out the SPREAD, much to my chagrin, we haven't figured it out yet !! After Meyer left they had the same Offense even today and look at the losses they have encountered. San Diego St; BYU, stopped it why couldn't we ?? Dont go giving the athlete story we have just as good of ones, they are not coached to attack the system.
 
#32
#32
Anyone who compares Cut's offenses to the 05' Sanders offense and thinks they are comporable is beyond the point of any resonable discussion on this subject. Do you guys even remember that season? Or the pathetic offenses we have fielded for most of this decade?

40 points a game...that's the problem.
 
#33
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chidave said:
Anyway who compares Cut's offenses to the 05' Sanders offense and thinks they are comporable is beyond the point of any resonable discussion on this subject. Do you guys even remember that season? Or the pathetic offenses we have fielded for most of this decade?

40 points a game...that's the problem.
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I'm not saying Cut and Sanders are the same, but we run the same offense with 2 different coaches. That has to mean CPF is calling all of the plays.
 
#34
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JZVOL said:
How many 1,000 yard rushers have we had since Cut has been back. Weren't we like the worst rushing team in the SEC last year? How is that better?
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so, unless you lead in passing and rushing-the coach sucks?
 
#36
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allvol123 said:
Not really. The fact that we can't get the most talented WRs on the field is a problem.
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I agree it would be nice to see guys like KO get more reps. But the heart of the problem on offense is our running game. It sucks.

TN ranks in the SEC:
YPG 7th (388) FL 1st (525)
PYPG 2nd (269.3) FL 1st (287)
RYPG 12th (113.7) ARK 1st (325)
 
#37
#37
I do wonder if the "Conservatism" of Cut doesn't come from the top, you can't run with 8 men in the box, you've got to throw to set the run up. Pounding the ball is wasting downs, however that fits Fulmer's philosophy more than Cut's.

We have improved on offense with Cut's hiring however, I frustrated with the team too, but there's really no debating that we have. Our defense has completley collapsed however...and it was our strength for the past decade.
 
#38
#38
here's the issue as i see it regarding the cutcliffe, re hire.........

it's not whether or not he's improved the offense or not, and it's not a matter of offensive scheme.

what that re hire told us, and is telling us, is that CPF is simply not one for change. He has a comfort zone with certain people and philosophies, and that's why Cut was re hired.

when he has the opportunity to make a big change with that position open, does he go out and look for OC's at current schools and bring them in for "fresh new look"? does he give a Jimbo Fisher, Al Borges, or any number of other coaches out there a look? No. he went down to Loudon County and asked Cut to come back.

looking back on it, and seeing what we have today, it's the mentality of CPF in making the decision to re hire him that is most concerning, not the actual performance of Cut, which has been up and down at best.
 
#40
#40
crazyguy said:
so, unless you lead in passing and rushing-the coach sucks?
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No, but when you are the bottom one or two yes. We had -11 yards rushing against Florida last year and something like 26 this year. That is a problem.
 
#41
#41
True and keeping the D fresh is another key. Cuts O will work but I feel some of his decisions are being over-ruled !!I will admit the O-line is pretty young but these guys are awsome in size and speed, sounds like their technique needs revamping or a new O-line coach. Also Creer, and Foster should be getting the carries and Coker should be out of the dog house now too, or at least I'm thinking so. The receivers we have are decent but WHY haven't Briscoe and Rogers seen more time until now?? I dont think we have the best out there in this circumstance.
 
#42
#42
jakez4ut said:
here's the issue as i see it regarding the cutcliffe, re hire.........

it's not whether or not he's improved the offense or not, and it's not a matter of offensive scheme.

what that re hire told us, and is telling us, is that CPF is simply not one for change. He has a comfort zone with certain people and philosophies, and that's why Cut was re hired.

when he has the opportunity to make a big change with that position open, does he go out and look for OC's at current schools and bring them in for "fresh new look"? does he give a Jimbo Fisher, Al Borges, or any number of other coaches out there a look? No. he went down to Loudon County and asked Cut to come back.

looking back on it, and seeing what we have today, it's the mentality of CPF in making the decision to re hire him that is most concerning, not the actual performance of Cut, which has been up and down at best.
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YES!!! That's what I'm saying, it's not about play calling but the mindset.
 
#43
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mikes70gto said:
True and keeping the D fresh is another key. Cuts O will work but I feel some of his decisions are being over-ruled !!I will admit the O-line is pretty young but these guys are awsome in size and speed, sounds like their technique needs revamping or a new O-line coach. Also Creer, and Foster should be getting the carries and Coker should be out of the dog house now too, or at least I'm thinking so. The receivers we have are decent but WHY haven't Briscoe and Rogers seen more time until now?? I dont think we have the best out there in this circumstance.
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there's the darn problem right there.....position coaches. We have had this problem in the past, position coaches that cannot get it done. I think the offensive scheme is fine, and every position that Trooper coaches improves greatly. Get new offensive position coaches, and new defensive coaches all around. Replace every single one of them and Chavis too. There is probably a defensive guru that is willing to make a lateral move to the right program. Jimbo Fisher did it. Surely to goodness there is someone out there to bring in and fix this thing. If not, we will not win more than 8 games in a season until it happens....and that is not an okay amount of wins for me.
 
#44
#44
JZVOL said:
YES!!! That's what I'm saying, it's not about play calling but the mindset.
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:thumbsup: and in year two of the "reconstruction" project, i think it's safe to say we know what we're going to get at this point.
 
#45
#45
therickbol said:
I understand your point about reinventing the offense with some "fresh" new approah. But, Cutcliffe is a great hire. He is an amazing QB coach and a good OC. I am so tired of people complaining about the system. The system is not the problem. We do not have to run the spread to win. Our offensive system is similar in philosophy to the Colts and many other NFL teams. If the system is run with great athletes and executed well it is a great system. We could install the spread offense and not execute (like we have been with our current offense) and it would still not be effective.

You watch the ranked Texas A&M team run that vaulted spread system against Miami last night? Yeah, the system is the answer! Talent and execution is our problem, not the system.
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I agree 100%. Cut's system is not the problem. If he was terrible, Weiss would not have offered him the reigns to the Notre Dame offense in when he was first hired there.


However, when CPF could have infused a new look and gone against what everyone has said about him (that he is stuck in his ways) he proved every Fulmer doubter right by sticking to the same old OC and not moving forward. CPF has essentially proven he is still stuck in the 90's by moving Cutcliffe in, in the minds of a lot of fans.

Just my opinion on the topic
 
#46
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timmy said:
I want to know how the offense has changed since Cut came back. It looks like the same offense from 2005, except Ainge isn't a head case anymore.

So, was Cut just a very expensive QB coach?
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:crazy:

The '05 offense could barely muster 20 pts in any game. I had no faith that the Vols could score when they had to.

The past 2 seasons have been much better offensively. The offense can move the ball on any team so far that I've seen. The worst games offensively were the 2 losses last season when Ainge didn't play.
 
#47
#47
allvol said:
:crazy:

The '05 offense could barely muster 20 pts in any game. I had no faith that the Vols could score when they had to.

The past 2 seasons have been much better offensively. The offense can move the ball on any team so far that I've seen. The worst games offensively were the 2 losses last season when Ainge didn't play.
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or when we turn the ball over.

and while i agree with you allvol, i think one of the sticking points about the CDC revision of the offense is that it seems to lack direction. to hear, now after multiple games in multiple seasons, that we get "cute" in certain situations or that we "outhought ourselves" in certain situaitons, and the inability to convert short yardage situations, is very frustrating, despite what looks to be an improved offense over the 05 version.

and i would contend that one of the biggest problems in 05 was we had too many WR's that simply dropped too many balls. I can think of several instances in the LSU, FL, SC, BAma and VAndy games where WR's just had drops that led to 3 and outs or resulted in failed 3rd down conversions. my biggest issue with the offense in 05 was, in fact, execution.

combine all of htis with the lackluster run blocking of the last two years and you get what we have right now.
 
#48
#48
I'm begining to think the reason CPF didn't go hire "new blood" into the coaching ranks was based on the fact that he knew Cut wasn't / isn't in a position to threaten him for the top spot.

Success from a person with a more aggressive attitude and fire at the OC position would have meant Fulmer looking over his shoulder, while the Vol faithful helped push him towards retirement.
 
#49
#49
volsfan_17 said:
I'm begining to think the reason CPF didn't go hire "new blood" into the coaching ranks was based on the fact that he knew Cut wasn't / isn't in a position to threaten him for the top spot.

Success from a person with a more aggressive attitude and fire at the OC position would have meant Fulmer looking over his shoulder, while the Vol faithful helped push him towards retirement.
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he should know, he's been in that spot before.:)
 
#50
#50
allvol said:
:crazy:

The '05 offense could barely muster 20 pts in any game. I had no faith that the Vols could score when they had to.
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The 06 offense couldn't put more than 10 points on Penn St. and the 07 offense couldn't put 14 on Florida's supposedly young and inexperienced defense.

Cutcliffe is hardly the panacea that everyone said he was going to be.
 
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