Cut vs Sanders 2007 NCAA stats.

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With al the fuss about Cut, I decided to compare Cut to qb coach/ recruiting coordinator Sanders overall offensive stats this past season.

The NCAA stats are as follows:

Total Offense Kentucky 25 rank Tennesse 55 rank.

I'm just saying maybe we won't miss Cut as much as some think ,and secondly "Scapegoat Sanders"(who took the fall for the whole team, although I too thought he should go) seems to have somewhat vindicated himself this year IMO.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org
 
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Heard a rumor that Sanders has been contacted about being the OC at Duke?????
 
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Mason said:
Heard a rumor that Sanders has been contacted about being the OC at Duke?????
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Well, he does have strong ties to the Raleigh-Durham area, and his family has land out there. I know people over there, and he was seen going to a X-Mas party wearing a Duke sweatshirt.
 
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VolfanMike said:
Joker Phillips made the calls not Randy.....Can we end this convo once and for all....
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Hmmm... I didn't see anything in utfantilidie's post that said anything about Sanders being the OC. All I saw was this.

utfantilidie said:
With al the fuss about Cut, I decided to compare Cut to qb coach/ recruiting coordinator Sanders overall offensive stats this past season.
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Looks pretty clear to me that he knew what role Sanders played at Kentucky. :ermm:
 
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But making a comparison of team stats with 2 opposing people being the center-point, they would need to be in the same position. It's a bit outlandish to compare stats between an OC and a QB Coach.

It's like saying that one engine is faster than the other while one is in a car and the other a truck.
 
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DC Vol said:
But making a comparison of team stats with 2 opposing people being the center-point, they would need to be in the same position. It's a bit outlandish to compare stats between an OC and a QB Coach.

It's like saying that one engine is faster than the other while one is in a car and the other a truck.
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you had me until the car/truck thing
 
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The personal comparison is a bit of a stretch, but it does speak volumes that a Cut coached offense was 30 places behind a Kentucky O. Personnel is certainly part of the disparity, but I still wonder why we didn't put more emphasis at developing more speedy talent at wideout.
 
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Lexvol said:
The personal comparison is a bit of a stretch, but it does speak volumes that a Cut coached offense was 30 places behind a Kentucky O. Personnel is certainly part of the disparity, but I still wonder why we didn't put more emphasis at developing more speedy talent at wideout.
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Yeah...what he said!
 
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KY also ranked well ahead of SoCAL, UGA, and tOSU....Sanders is better than the respective OC's of those schools as well?
 
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I, for one, was impressed with Joker's playcalling when I watched UK this year. They were particularly effective in using the run and the dink-and-dunk passing game to (gasp) open up the downfield passing attack. Wouldn't be surprised to see him depart for a HC job, especially since UK's losing most of their quality skill position players and can look forward to winning 3-4 games a year again, starting next season. Now, you can make the argument that Sanders was instrumental in developing Andre Woodson into a top-tier SEC quarterback...
 
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Well. Super QB coach David Cutcliffe has had as much time with Ainge as Sanders has had with Woodson. It seems to me that one QB is vastly superior to the other.
 
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kptvol said:
Well. Super QB coach David Cutcliffe has had as much time with Ainge as Sanders has had with Woodson. It seems to me that one QB is vastly superior to the other.
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Yeah but its really a hard debate either way. Look at the difference in the Mannings.
 
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givem6 said:
Yeah but its really a hard debate either way. Look at the difference in the Mannings.
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Look at the difference in Ethan Flatt, Michael Spurlock, and Nathan Lane. I'm sure they wake up everyday thankful for Cutcliffe's guidance.
 
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I think the fair comparison would be between QBs that both Cut and Sanders have coached.

Cut coached Tee Martin 1998: 153-267 57% 2164 yds 19 TD 6 INT
Sanders coached Tee Martin 1999: 165-305 54% 2317 yds 12 TD 9 INT

The edge would have to go to Cut here.


Now look at Erik Ainge

Sanders coached Erik Ainge 2004-2005: 175-343 51% 2189 yds 22 TD 16 INT
Cut coached Erik Ainge 2006-2007: 533-824 65% 6146 48 TD 19 INT

Obviously the edge goes to Cut again, and it's not even close.


I don't think Cut is the QB "guru" that some would have you believe, but there's no doubt in my mind that he's better than Randy Sanders.
 
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I'm not going to really argue too much, but Ainge did throw about 500 more passes under Cutcliffe. Anyway, the best offense of the last four years was Sanders' in 2004.

If anything, I'd say Cutcliffe's biggest asset over Sanders is the discipline and order he brings to the team. It'd be great if there was some other coach that could do that.
 
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kptvol said:
I'm not going to really argue too much, but Ainge did throw about 500 more passes under Cutcliffe. Anyway, the best offense of the last four years was Sanders' in 2004.
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Agreed. That was a really good coaching job by Sanders.
 
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As I recall, we have been much better at executing plays and not committing penalties since Cut returned. We were an embarrassment in '05 with Sanders. Delay of game penalties coming out of a timeout? It's those little things that win or lose games.

5-6 in '05. Cut comes back and we win 9. That's the statistical comparison that interests me. Now let's find someone that will get us 10, 11, or 12 wins per year...
 
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kptvol said:
I'm not going to really argue too much, but Ainge did throw about 500 more passes under Cutcliffe. Anyway, the best offense of the last four years was Sanders' in 2004.

If anything, I'd say Cutcliffe's biggest asset over Sanders is the discipline and order he brings to the team. It'd be great if there was some other coach that could do that.
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That is exactly right, the discipline is where Cut did the most good. Came in established that on the first day. Thats what I worry about, the next coach that comes in needs to take the lead in discipline for this team. Not CPF's strong suit.
 
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utfantilidie said:
With al the fuss about Cut, I decided to compare Cut to qb coach/ recruiting coordinator Sanders overall offensive stats this past season.

The NCAA stats are as follows:

Total Offense Kentucky 25 rank Tennesse 55 rank.

I'm just saying maybe we won't miss Cut as much as some think ,and secondly "Scapegoat Sanders"(who took the fall for the whole team, although I too thought he should go) seems to have somewhat vindicated himself this year IMO.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org
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Are you serious? Sanders is their QB coach not their coordinator. Sanders wasnt calling the plays.
 
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mattvols said:
Are you serious? Sanders is their QB coach not their coordinator. Sanders wasnt calling the plays.
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maybe you should learn comprehension. Amazing that only TVA figured it out. the original poster even refers to sanders as qb coach/recruiting coordinator. The point is, he turned woodson around. It's amazing that we throw sanders under the bus for dealing with ainge as an underclassmen, totally forgetting 2004.
 
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kptvol said:
Look at the difference in Ethan Flatt, Michael Spurlock, and Nathan Lane. I'm sure they wake up everyday thankful for Cutcliffe's guidance.
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these guys weren't going to hack it even if Jesus was their coach.
 
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