Current State of the Program

[cncchris33]

You won't choose to believe it, but I'll tell you anyways...

I was told that when Tyndall called Cofer and spoke with his family for the first time he 1. Acted as if he knew nothing about Cofer 2. Came off as if he wanted to be at Tennessee great, if not that's fine. 3. Building off 2, gave the impression to both Phil and his parents that he wasn't desperately wanted, or needed. 4. The family was a bit taken back by him using the word "THUG" in his presser.

Phil wanted nothing more than to be a Vol, like I said day 1 if you recall, it would take a lot to screw that up...mission accomplished. All he had to do was do a little research on the kid, make his dad feel appreciated for being a Vol and what the family has done for UT, and maybe put on a front that you really want Phil to be a part of this class and that you would like nothing more than for a Vol Legacy to be the center piece if your first class.

You do that and he never asks out of his LOI, THAT is how it's his fault.

I'm gonna give you the benefit of doubt on Cofer.

But Thompson and Davis, how are their decisions Tyndall's fault?

 

[volsbrock]

Like I told the other poster you can believe what you want, that's coming from their family, the same place I got the info he was seeking his release before anyone else.

I find it funny that when it's negative info people assume I'm lying.

Not saying you're lying and I have no clue or no inside sources. Just hard to believe that family would be that sensitive. I'm sure Stop or Go Cofer saw and heard a lot worse back in their day.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I don't think it's only the negative stuff. It looks to me like you throw a lot of BS against the wall and just hope some of it sticks. It's cool. A lot of folks on message boards do it.

Lol oh ok

So calling Cofer's committment date before he announced was luck?

Calling Austin to Tennessee was luck?

Calling okoroh's committmemt to Tennessee before it was public was luck?

saying all 4 of the signees were gonna ask for their release before any of it went public that morning was luck?

Saying that if 1 of the 3 freshman transfers they all will was luck?

Ok bro.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm gonna give you the benefit of doubt on Cofer.

But Thompson and Davis, how are their decisions Tyndall's fault?

I honestly don't know 100% on them like I do Cofer, if what Sparty is saying is true and they couldn't handle the workouts and quit then alright I guess.

I still think more of an effort likely could've been made to keep the guys, I think it was more along the lines of a if you don't like it get out mentality.

Like I've said, this isn't normal attrition of a coaching change, look at the other coaching changes that have taken place this year and you'll find nothing like this.

 

[cncchris33]

I honestly don't know 100% on them like I do Cofer, if what Sparty is saying is true and they couldn't handle the workouts and quit then alright I guess.

I still think more of an effort likely could've been made to keep the guys, I think it was more along the lines of a if you don't like it get out mentality.

Like I've said, this isn't normal attrition of a coaching change, look at the other coaching changes that have taken place this year and you'll find nothing like this.

I think it is more a matter of preference for those two. And I don't think their preference to play for someone other than Tyndall is Tyndall's fault. He shouldn't have to coddle current team members, especially marginal talents (so far) like Thompson and Davis. Those guys had two choices; fall in line and compete, or find a coach who would provide that.

At the end of the day, little effort should be needed to convince current players to stay. That effort needs to be focused on the recruiting trail where things are closing up quickly. He can't be in two place (campus and on visits) at once. Those guys just preferred to move on to someone else. Nothing wrong with it, but certainly not CDT's fault.

 

[Stoked]

I honestly don't know 100% on them like I do Cofer, if what Sparty is saying is true and they couldn't handle the workouts and quit then alright I guess.

I still think more of an effort likely could've been made to keep the guys, I think it was more along the lines of a if you don't like it get out mentality.

Like I've said, this isn't normal attrition of a coaching change, look at the other coaching changes that have taken place this year and you'll find nothing like this.

He's not going to force anyone to stay. He wants players that actually WANT to be here. He might have made a mistake with not doing his homework with Cofer, but he realizes he made a mistake and sent all of his coaches and himself to meet with the Cofer family to let him know he was wanted here. I have no problem with him telling players "this is my system this is how things are going to be, and if you don't want to give your all then here's the door" why keep someone that isn't fully onboard? Cuonzo had no problem with telling Q, Washpun, Landry they didn't fit what he needed. Why is it any different when CDT does that?

 

[lonelawyer]

Not saying you're lying and I have no clue or no inside sources. Just hard to believe that family would be that sensitive. I'm sure Stop or Go Cofer saw and heard a lot worse back in their day.

EVERYONE is sensitive today. It's a crime to say anything that might offend anyone other than white Southern Christian males. Those can be offended with impunity.

To have a winning program in football or basketball you have to kiss the arses of kids who have grown up being told that anything they leave in the toilet has the aroma of roses.

Additionally, our culture celebrates thuggish dress, look and behavior. If you don't believe me, check out your teenager's I tunes downloads.

Combine that with the fact that an African American coach wasn't "embraced" by the fanbase and you have a recipe for hurt feelings.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I think it is more a matter of preference for those two. And I don't think their preference to play for someone other than Tyndall is Tyndall's fault. He shouldn't have to coddle current team members, especially marginal talents (so far) like Thompson and Davis. Those guys had two choices; fall in line and compete, or find a coach who would provide that.

At the end of the day, little effort should be needed to convince current players to stay. That effort needs to be focused on the recruiting trail where things are closing up quickly. He can't be in two place (campus and on visits) at once. Those guys just preferred to move on to someone else. Nothing wrong with it, but certainly not CDT's fault.

So if he loses Hubbs for similar reasons he deserves some criticism by your stance?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He's not going to force anyone to stay. He wants players that actually WANT to be here. He might have made a mistake with not doing his homework with Cofer, but he realizes he made a mistake and sent all of his coaches and himself to meet with the Cofer family to let him know he was wanted here. I have no problem with him telling players "this is my system this is how things are going to be, and if you don't want to give your all then here's the door" why keep someone that isn't fully onboard? Cuonzo had no problem with telling Q, Washpun, Landry they didn't fit what he needed. Why is it any different when CDT does that?

I never used the word force, so right off the bat you're exaggerating.

And if you're gonna compare the talent level of Q, Washpun and Landry to Hubbs, Davis and Thompson then we should just stop talking.

 

[Stoked]

EVERYONE is sensitive today. It's a crime to say anything that might offend anyone other than white Southern Christian males. Those can be offended with impunity.

To have a winning program in football or basketball you have to kiss the arses of kids who have grown up being told that anything they leave in the toilet has the aroma of roses.

Additionally, our culture celebrates thuggish dress, look and behavior. If you don't believe me, check out your teenager's I tunes downloads.

Combine that with the fact that an African American coach wasn't "embraced" by the fanbase and you have a recipe for hurt feelings.

He wasn't embraced because of many many things...not because of the color of his skin. Every player on the team was African American and they were all supported.

 

[Catbone]

I'll call this season a success if... we have a full roster.

 

[Stoked]

I never used the word force, so right off the bat you're exaggerating.

And if you're gonna compare the talent level of Q, Washpun and Landry to Hubbs, Davis and Thompson then we should just stop talking.

I'm not comparing the talent. But he did recruit those 3 right? He knew their talent level. Hubbs being so close with Thompson and AJ, is probably the main reason he is even thinking about transferring. He fits CDT's style way more than CCM's style. Their were even rumors of him transferring earlier this year. AJ got very few minutes this year so I'm sure he wanted to transfer even if Martin came back.

 

[drewtigeralum]

I honestly don't know 100% on them like I do Cofer, if what Sparty is saying is true and they couldn't handle the workouts and quit then alright I guess.

I still think more of an effort likely could've been made to keep the guys, I think it was more along the lines of a if you don't like it get out mentality.

Like I've said, this isn't normal attrition of a coaching change, look at the other coaching changes that have taken place this year and you'll find nothing like this.

I just don't buy the "not tough enough to handle the workouts" theory. Both of these kids grew up around basketball in basketball families. Thompson's dad is a coach and Davis's dad played in the NBA for 16 years. It's not like DT is exposing them to something they haven't seen before. You don't get to be a D1 athlete without working hard.

 

[cncchris33]

So if he loses Hubbs for similar reasons he deserves some criticism by your stance?

How so? Just because marginal talents aren't necessarily worth the hassle, doesn't mean he needs to grovel at Hubbs' feet to beg him to stay. I just think a coach would likely be more inclined to MAYBE make an extra effort for a talent like Hubbs. That doesn't mean he should, or that he thinks he has to either. He may say, "We'd love to have you stay and be a part of something special, but we want guys who want to be here, and in your case Robert, represent your home state". Detail for him how he'll be used, and let him decide what's best for him.

Again, the choice is up to the player, and it may just be a matter of preference, and I can't criticize CDT for losing a player whose preference was to be elsewhere. And I certainly won't say it's "his own damn fault" for guys transferring whom I feel fairly certain weren't "run off".

 

[drewtigeralum]

I'm not comparing the talent. But he did recruit those 3 right? He knew their talent level. Hubbs is close with Thompson and AJ is probably the main reason he is even thinking about transferring. He fits CDT's style way more than CCM's style. Their were even rumors of him transferring earlier this year. AJ got very few minutes this year so I'm sure he wanted to transfer even if Martin came back.

If AJ wanted to transfer, why was he quoted as saying he came to U.T. to play for Coach Martin? That just doesn't make sense. Sometimes freshmen sit on the bench when the starting 5 has nothing but juniors and seniors.

 

[lonelawyer]

He wasn't embraced because of many many things...not because of the color of his skin. Every player on the team was African American and they were all supported.

Not the point. All that matters is how these children perceive something. They're the ones who have to be happy.

Yes, I said children.

 

[SCvol333]

Lol oh ok

So calling Cofer's committment date before he announced was luck?

Calling Austin to Tennessee was luck?

Calling okoroh's committmemt to Tennessee before it was public was luck?

saying all 4 of the signees were gonna ask for their release before any of it went public that morning was luck?

Saying that if 1 of the 3 freshman transfers they all will was luck?

Ok bro.

I can see why many on here are suspicious of all things insider so I would get less sensitive on this - we had multiple posters be right about a few things and then all of a sudden have seen the documents of Gruden to UT and knew the staff he was assembling so I think most sane people on the board have learned to take all insider info with a major TIFWIW attitude - i can't blame LV for that

on another note i completely agree with you that part of the coaches job is not just to recruit new players but to keep the studs he does have that fit his system in the fold so that year 1 is not a complete debacle

fortunately its bball and you can turn it around in 1 recruiting class - but you would rather have some pieces already in place as opposed to starting completely from scratch which is basically what we will now have to do

 

[volfan37921]

I'm not comparing the talent. But he did recruit those 3 right? He knew their talent level. Hubbs being so close with Thompson and AJ, is probably the main reason he is even thinking about transferring. He fits CDT's style way more than CCM's style. Their were even rumors of him transferring earlier this year. AJ got very few minutes this year so I'm sure he wanted to transfer even if Martin came back.

Stop the insanity. Main reason everyone is leaving is Tennessee is a national joke for firing Martin. When they say that Tyndall is a better fit here, they don't mean it as a compliment. There is nothing. Nothing. In Tyndall's resume that would excite players. One ncaa first round win in 9 years? Lets give him a parade. You can't spell Donnie Tyndall without NIT. Don't think after Hubbs leaves that he'll be the last. P.S. Tyndall looks like Chazz Bono

 

[Volinmem]

The only "fault" that I have seen with CDT at this point is that he is open and honest with all of the players involved. If that is considered to be a "fault", I'm more than happy that he is our coach.

 

[Smokey 77]

We are Tennessee and we are fine! We want coaches and players that want to be Tennessee Vols! The basketball program is on it's way to being great! It will take time.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

I'll call this season a success if... we have a full roster.

I honestly don't need to see a full roster. Using scholarships just to use them IMO could be a mistake. Especially with CDT showing he can get kids who OV to choose UT with him being in place for a very short time. Probably a good idea to save a few ships to use on kids next year where CDT has time to recruit them and sell UT. Will be interesting to see it all play out.

 

[cncchris33]

Stop the insanity. Main reason everyone is leaving is Tennessee is a national joke for firing Martin. When they say that Tyndall is a better fit here, they don't mean it as a compliment. There is nothing. Nothing. In Tyndall's resume that would excite players. One ncaa first round win in 9 years? Lets give him a parade. You can't spell Donnie Tyndall without NIT. Don't think after Hubbs leaves that he'll be the last. P.S. Tyndall looks like Chazz Bono

Wow

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

Wow

He Drunk.

 

[VolGee4]

Stop the insanity. Main reason everyone is leaving is Tennessee is a national joke for firing Martin. When they say that Tyndall is a better fit here, they don't mean it as a compliment. There is nothing. Nothing. In Tyndall's resume that would excite players. One ncaa first round win in 9 years? Lets give him a parade. You can't spell Donnie Tyndall without NIT. Don't think after Hubbs leaves that he'll be the last. P.S. Tyndall looks like Chazz Bono

Someone copy this, and see where we are in 2-3 years. Maybe good, maybe bad. But, we shall see.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Someone copy this, and see where we are in 2-3 years. Maybe good, maybe bad. But, we shall see.

Why waste the time to do so. Good or bad makes no difference.

Who cares that some got their panties in a wad, panic, or reflected poorly.

This is the drama and self inflicted road some of our fans take. The poster you are referring to will probably be out of here before the season starts.