Current State of the Program

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#26
A recruit/new signee asking out or wanting to consider options is 1 thing. A kid who has suited up for our Vols and asking out is another IMO. If a kid who has been wearing that UT jersey asks for a release, I would NOT consider bringing them back if I were CDT. Just because they could not find a better option I allow them back? Hell no. Your either a Vol or your not. When you ask for that release, I'm filling that spot ASAP with someone who wants to wear the Orange. As far as I'm concerned once they ask for the release, they gone. I'm moving on.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
A recruit/new signee asking out or wanting to consider options is 1 thing. A kid who has suited up for our Vols and asking out is another IMO. If a kid who has been wearing that UT jersey asks for a release, I would NOT consider bringing them back if I were CDT. Just because they could not find a better option I allow them back? Hell no. Your either a Vol or your not. When you ask for that release, I'm filling that spot ASAP with someone who wants to wear the Orange. As far as I'm concerned once they ask for the release, they gone. I'm moving on.
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I don't know if we are in a position to turn away players that need time to decide their future and may have made an ill advised decision in asking for a release. We are likely not going to find players of their caliber moving forward at this time that don't have to sit out. I know their production wasn't great but both had high upside IMO, especially Davis.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
A recruit/new signee asking out or wanting to consider options is 1 thing. A kid who has suited up for our Vols and asking out is another IMO. If a kid who has been wearing that UT jersey asks for a release, I would NOT consider bringing them back if I were CDT. Just because they could not find a better option I allow them back? Hell no. Your either a Vol or your not. When you ask for that release, I'm filling that spot ASAP with someone who wants to wear the Orange. As far as I'm concerned once they ask for the release, they gone. I'm moving on.
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Sorry. I have to agree with that.
 
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calban said:
Sorry. I have to agree with that.
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I can definitely understand and respect that opinion. One thing that is something CDT has working for him is the whole "I'm about the student-athlete and I want to work in their best interest." That's a very similar approach that Calipari has and it seems to endear players to him (obviously, he has the track record to get them in the league). CDT has been classy in how he's handled things and is truly trying to work with these guys with their releases so far.
 
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jknox33 said:
Here is what we have, what we've lost and what we've gained so far. Note, these are just scholarship players.

Lost:
Coach Martin
PG- Barton, Thompson, Austin
SG- McRae, Cornish
SF- Edwards, Chievous
PF- Stokes, Maymon, Davis, Cofer
C- Turman

Holdovers:
SG- Hubbs
SF- Richardson, Moore
PF- Reese
C- Pops

Gained:
Coach Tyndall
SG- Punter
PF- McGhee

Potential additions (guys we can potentially see signing soon):
PG- Chiles, Suarez
PF- Cofer, Carmichael, Owens
C- Ellis

I'd expect our potential additions of PGs to grow as well as SGs. This is going to be a completely different team. With Hubbs still contemplating his decision and Pops knowing he can't run in this system, we may see more attrition. The potential additions are all solid pick ups at this stage of the game.

Really it is going to be about finding grad transfers and solid JUCOs at this point because you don't want to have too many sitting transfers or lower-tier freshman filling up the roster. There seems to be a mix of fear and excitement on the board with how all this will go down. It will be interesting to watch and see. We have our work cut out for us.
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We also lost the assistant coaches and strength and conditioning coaches....
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Tennessean, "Hubbs countered reports that speculated he has also asked for his release.
The shooting guard who was the gem of UT's freshman class before a left shoulder injury cut his season short said he has not yet made up his mind. "As of right now, I'm still a Tennessee Vol," Hubbs said. "I'm weighing my options with my family. I'm going to decide what is the best option for me." "It's tough," Hubbs said about the seemingly certain departure of Thompson and Davis. "We are all real close. But they have to do what's best for them."
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You're going to make BTO mad, he was so happy at the thought of DT losing another player.
 
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#33
#33
Go get some walk-ons that want to bleed orange and then work on the future. Martin set this up in his three years with mediocre recruiting and making it about him instead of the school.
 
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I'm not worried about Don Corleone (I mean Tyndall) putting together a coherent team of holdovers and transfers when it's all said and done. He's gotten off to a good start recruiting-wise already and I'm sure he'll make the candidates still available an offer they can't refuse.
In Don I Trust!
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
CDT will have it pointed in the right direction shortly. CM left a mess and the new staff will have to pick up the pieces and make the best of it this year. As CDT has shown with the last couple OV's, he can sell UT and the recruits are buying what he is selling. Better days ahead IMO.
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CCM left Tyndall a roster that included 8 top 200 recruits, Tyndall has lost 7 of them, that's his own damn fault. Who left when Martin took over?

This perception that the kind of attrition taking place is normal is complete nonsense.
 
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jknox33 said:
JMO, it is a mixture of a lot of things. One is that typically in coaching changes at UT, you get the exact polar opposite of what you had before. The styles are extremely different between CCM and CDT. Another is that CCM had the team truly believing in the "family" aspect and it was them against the world (mainly their own fan base). So in other words, you mess with a member of the family, you mess with the whole family. The team cared deeply for CCM just as he cared for them. I know some of the players read these boards and they still see their "family member" being trashed. They felt just as under appreciated as CCM during the season and now it is a different environment with the majority of the "family" being gone.
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Too bad that this is one of the most team thing that last years team has done. They have the same strong will and fortitude that their coach has displayed. I'm sorry, but they were more than likely going to struggle this next season. If they can't play for coach T then they can't play for UT. If we were going to have to go through a year where players weren't committed then is rather get them out the door and start fresh.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
CCM left Tyndall a roster that included 8 top 200 recruits, Tyndall has lost 7 of them, that's his own damn fault. Who left when Martin took over?

This perception that the kind of attrition taking place is normal is complete nonsense.
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Hubbs
Thompson
Davis

Cofer
Austin
Turman
Cornish

Who is the 8th top-200 player I'm missing? And how is it "his own damn fault" that Thompson and Davis transferred? Or Cofer for that matter, if he's trying to recruit him?
 
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jknox33 said:
JMO, it is a mixture of a lot of things. One is that typically in coaching changes at UT, you get the exact polar opposite of what you had before. The styles are extremely different between CCM and CDT. Another is that CCM had the team truly believing in the "family" aspect and it was them against the world (mainly their own fan base). So in other words, you mess with a member of the family, you mess with the whole family. The team cared deeply for CCM just as he cared for them. I know some of the players read these boards and they still see their "family member" being trashed. They felt just as under appreciated as CCM during the season and now it is a different environment with the majority of the "family" being gone.
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Valid :hi:
 
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cncchris33 said:
And how is it "his own damn fault" that Thompson and Davis transferred? Or Cofer for that matter, if he's trying to recruit him?
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You won't choose to believe it, but I'll tell you anyways...

I was told that when Tyndall called Cofer and spoke with his family for the first time he 1. Acted as if he knew nothing about Cofer 2. Came off as if he wanted to be at Tennessee great, if not that's fine. 3. Building off 2, gave the impression to both Phil and his parents that he wasn't desperately wanted, or needed. 4. The family was a bit taken back by him using the word "THUG" in his presser.

Phil wanted nothing more than to be a Vol, like I said day 1 if you recall, it would take a lot to screw that up...mission accomplished. All he had to do was do a little research on the kid, make his dad feel appreciated for being a Vol and what the family has done for UT, and maybe put on a front that you really want Phil to be a part of this class and that you would like nothing more than for a Vol Legacy to be the center piece if your first class.

You do that and he never asks out of his LOI, THAT is how it's his fault.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You won't choose to believe it, but I'll tell you anyways...

I was told that when Tyndall called Cofer and spoke with his family for the first time he 1. Acted as if he knew nothing about Cofer 2. Came off as if he wanted to be at Tennessee great, if not that's fine. 3. Building off 2, gave the impression to both Phil and his parents that he wasn't desperately wanted, or needed. 4. The family was a bit taken back by him using the word "THUG" in his presser.

Phil wanted nothing more than to be a Vol, like I said day 1 if you recall, it would take a lot to screw that up...mission accomplished. All he had to do was do a little research on the kid, make his dad feel appreciated for being a Vol and what the family has done for UT, and maybe put on a front that you really want Phil to be a part of this class and that you would like nothing more than for a Vol Legacy to be the center piece if your first class.

You do that and he never asks out of his LOI, THAT is how it's his fault.
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Hard to believe for sure. Not sure why they would be taken back by the word thug too. Do they want him playing with thugs? And no that's not a racist word. Thugs are all colors. You have a serious hate going on for Tyndal. I used to really enjoy your posts. You gave a lot of good info
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You won't choose to believe it, but I'll tell you anyways...

I was told that when Tyndall called Cofer and spoke with his family for the first time he 1. Acted as if he knew nothing about Cofer 2. Came off as if he wanted to be at Tennessee great, if not that's fine. 3. Building off 2, gave the impression to both Phil and his parents that he wasn't desperately wanted, or needed. 4. The family was a bit taken back by him using the word "THUG" in his presser.

Phil wanted nothing more than to be a Vol, like I said day 1 if you recall, it would take a lot to screw that up...mission accomplished. All he had to do was do a little research on the kid, make his dad feel appreciated for being a Vol and what the family has done for UT, and maybe put on a front that you really want Phil to be a part of this class and that you would like nothing more than for a Vol Legacy to be the center piece if your first class.

You do that and he never asks out of his LOI, THAT is how it's his fault.
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I'd lean toward that is ALOT of speculation and or "I heard blah blah" talk. IF CDT would take Cofer now as part of his 1st team at Tennessee, I have no doubt when he spoke to the kid and his family, he was prepared to sell why being at UT was the best for everyone involved.
 
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volsbrock said:
Hard to believe for sure. Not sure why they would be taken back by the word thug too. Do they want him playing with thugs? And no that's not a racist word. Thugs are all colors. You have a serious hate going on for Tyndal. I used to really enjoy your posts. You gave a lot of good info
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The entire post you just replied to is info from the Cofer family, if you don't wanna believe it that's your choice.

I can't explain why they didn't smile when he said that, but just as it became a topic on here as sink as he said it, sometimes perception isn't a good thing.

Phil is covered in tattoos and had/has a fro', he's a great kid, but I'm sure he's probably been judged a few times simply off his looks. Maybe the Cofer family takes exception to that word, maybe they don't like a white coach saying it because they think he's referring to black players with tats, idk. What I do know is they took a bit of exception to it.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I'd lean toward that is ALOT of speculation and or "I heard blah blah" talk. IF CDT would take Cofer now as part of his 1st team at Tennessee, I have no doubt when he spoke to the kid and his family, he was prepared to sell why being at UT was the best for everyone involved.
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Like I told the other poster you can believe what you want, that's coming from their family, the same place I got the info he was seeking his release before anyone else.

I find it funny that when it's negative info people assume I'm lying.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You won't choose to believe it, but I'll tell you anyways...

I was told that when Tyndall called Cofer and spoke with his family for the first time he 1. Acted as if he knew nothing about Cofer 2. Came off as if he wanted to be at Tennessee great, if not that's fine. 3. Building off 2, gave the impression to both Phil and his parents that he wasn't desperately wanted, or needed. 4. The family was a bit taken back by him using the word "THUG" in his presser.

Phil wanted nothing more than to be a Vol, like I said day 1 if you recall, it would take a lot to screw that up...mission accomplished. All he had to do was do a little research on the kid, make his dad feel appreciated for being a Vol and what the family has done for UT, and maybe put on a front that you really want Phil to be a part of this class and that you would like nothing more than for a Vol Legacy to be the center piece if your first class.

You do that and he never asks out of his LOI, THAT is how it's his fault.
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Maybe Tyndall wasn't out of Val mode yet and didn't know anything about Cofer. First day?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I told the other poster you can believe what you want, that's coming from their family, the same place I got the info he was seeking his release before anyone else.

I find it funny that when it's negative info people assume I'm lying.
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I don't think it's only the negative stuff. It looks to me like you throw a lot of BS against the wall and just hope some of it sticks. It's cool. A lot of folks on message boards do it. You do seem to get a kick out of anything negative. Tough to see a person as a Vol fan who feeds off negative things or trying to twist anything into a negative.
 
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