Cuonzo receives raise

#101
#101
BOP said:
I didn't say anything about the final four. Their are actually 3 different rounds between the 1st round and the final four where he could potentially lose. Hopefully he can make the 2nd weekend. If not it's goodbye time.
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Ok so you're on record as saying sweet 16 or better and you're happy and will support Martin?

As for the bolded, you're completely off base. If Martin makes the dance he will be back, I actually think if he comes close but misses he'll be retained, but he definitely won't be fired for making the dance and going 1-1 as you suggest.
 
#103
#103
bleedingTNorange said:
Ok so you're on record as saying sweet 16 or better and you're happy and will support Martin?

As for the bolded, you're completely off base. If Martin makes the dance he will be back, I actually think if he comes close but misses he'll be retained, but he definitely won't be fired for making the dance and going 1-1 as you suggest.
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I don't think it matters what he does next year. Simply put, we can't afford to fire him. He's gonna get four years regardless. The negative Nancies may as well get used to it.
 
#104
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VolAce said:
Look, I'm not a Kentucky fan so I don't really follow Calipari's reactions very closely. I do, however, follow Martins reactions, post game articles, pressers, etc. he acted like he was a victim and he didn't get something he deserved. They played like a team that didn't want to win in the SEC tourney and after the NCAA tourney "snub" he went on to say the NIT doesn't matter. That is a terrible attitude. Anytime he shows up on a court to coach a team wearing my alma maters colors, it matters. That's why he gets paid, to win. If UT basketball is participating in a cornhole tournament against Austin Peay for charity, I expect them to win. Comparing Martin to a proven winner like Calipari is just silly. I'm not a person who says "well, look at what this team did...." I don't care. I only care about my team, my coach, my university. I don't think he has done a good enough job to warrant any type of raise. I don't see how anyone could defend that he does other than the typical, "well, it's just a normal thing in the coaching world."
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So what you're telling me is, if he doesn't win the amount of games you like, he's a loser? What if he graduates every basketball player he has? What if he changes these young men's lives to do something positive with their life? I love winning too, but that isn't what sports are all about. Martin is a stand-up guy, he will stand up for his players, his team, and his university. So far his winning record is mediocre, we can all agree on that, but what he does off the court is where it counts. On the court, Martin's done a good of a job as anyone else would have. The 2014 recruiting class is on the way to being in the top 20, we are expected to be in the top 15, and this year we are going to win big. Whether you agree with my points or not, stop being so self-absorbed and start looking at things from a different perspective.
 
#105
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok so you're on record as saying sweet 16 or better and you're happy and will support Martin?

As for the bolded, you're completely off base. If Martin makes the dance he will be back, I actually think if he comes close but misses he'll be retained, but he definitely won't be fired for making the dance and going 1-1 as you suggest.
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I'm not commenting on what they will do, I'm talking about what should be done. If Martin can parlay a sweet 16, I'll be happy with his coaching job this season and I'll say he should be retained. Now unless he can parlay that into significantly improved recruiting, then I still wont be very optimistic.
 
#106
#106
BOP said:
I'm not commenting on what they will do, I'm talking about what should be done. If Martin can parlay a sweet 16, I'll be happy with his coaching job this season and I'll say he should be retained. Now unless he can parlay that into significantly improved recruiting, then I still wont be very optimistic.
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But the overall job won't be good (1 tourney in 3 years), so he gets no credit, right?
 
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iKrager said:
So what you're telling me is, if he doesn't win the amount of games you like, he's a loser? What if he graduates every basketball player he has? What if he changes these young men's lives to do something positive with their life? I love winning too, but that isn't what sports are all about. Martin is a stand-up guy, he will stand up for his players, his team, and his university. So far his winning record is mediocre, we can all agree on that, but what he does off the court is where it counts. On the court, Martin's done a good of a job as anyone else would have. The 2014 recruiting class is on the way to being in the top 20, we are expected to be in the top 15, and this year we are going to win big. Whether you agree with my points or not, stop being so self-absorbed and start looking at things from a different perspective.
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Martin must be the only coach in college basketball that can influence young men's lives positively then. I'm sorry I think winning is a top priority for a coach who gets paid over $1 million a year. Like I said, I'd love for him to prove me wrong, I want our team to win, I would love for him to be successful and retire at UT. I don't have expectations of going to the sweet 16 or better every year. I can deal with us not making the tourney every year. I do think we should make it to the tourney most years, even if we get defeated in the first round. As long as our team and coach play to win, play with a winning mentality, and don't make excuses or point fingers when they get "snubbed."

You have hear Butch talk about recruiting winners to the football team, people who have competed for championships in HS. Why? Because they have a winning mentality, that goes a long way in sports... Winners find ways to win, losers find excuses to make. I've heard a lot of excuses from the Martin camp.
 
#109
#109
The most important thing for a coach in adjusting the contract at the end of the year is an extention. Not a raise. A 50K raise, IMO is very insignificant. Not getting an extention is very surprising. I honestly thought it would be reversed. Having 4 years on a contract is extremely important in recruiting. IMO Hart is telling CCM that the last 2 years is not good enough and you need to step it up.
 
#112
#112
BOP said:
I'm not commenting on what they will do, I'm talking about what should be done. If Martin can parlay a sweet 16, I'll be happy with his coaching job this season and I'll say he should be retained. Now unless he can parlay that into significantly improved recruiting, then I still wont be very optimistic.
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I would say a top 20 class would be pretty good don't you think?
 
#113
#113
GoobieVol said:
That average would get you in the baseball HOF though.
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I only ask, because he said our 8-10 game spurts were worth no credit if the overall job was not satisfactory. Yet, here, he says making the Sweet 16 next season would win over his bespectacled support for a time. Is one tourney and Sweet 16 appearance every three years make a job satisfactory overall?
 
#114
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cncchris33 said:
It should be noted though, that the most "unknown" coach in our last five coaching searches (O'Neill, Green, Peterson, Pearl, Martin) was the most successful of the five while at Tennessee.
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Don't know that I would agree that Pearl was the most "unknown" of the list....in experience I would say he was the most qualified of the list.
 
#115
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johnnybravo said:
The most important thing for a coach in adjusting the contract at the end of the year is an extention. Not a raise. A 50K raise, IMO is very insignificant. Not getting an extention is very surprising. I honestly thought it would be reversed. Having 4 years on a contract is extremely important in recruiting. IMO Hart is telling CCM that the last 2 years is not good enough and you need to step it up.
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Agree
 
#116
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bleedingTNorange said:
Which as you mention is sad because the platform is there for it to be a consistent top 20 program, the AD just doesn't wanna hire a top 20 coach.
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As we all agree that big time college athletics has become big business, this position from the AD makes no business sense. A consistent top 10 program would bring in more revenue than the salary of a highly successful coach. Makes business sense to me to shoot higher.
 
#117
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cncchris33 said:
I only ask, because he said our 8-10 game spurts were worth no credit if the overall job was not satisfactory. Yet, here, he says making the Sweet 16 next season would win over his bespectacled support for a time. Is one tourney and Sweet 16 appearance every three years make a job satisfactory overall?
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Not a narey part of me thinks he would ever have a favorable opion of CCM for long.
 
#118
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walkenvol said:
Don't know that I would agree that Pearl was the most "unknown" of the list....in experience I would say he was the most qualified of the list.
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In terms of D-1 basketball coachibg experience, Pearl was not the most recognizable name from that list. He had a couple successful seasons at UW-Milwaukee and a lot of D-2 success, but only your hardcore basketball followers knew who he was at the time of his hire.

O'Neill came from Marquette, Green from Oregon, Buzz from Tulsa (following successful Tulsa coaches like Nolan Richardon, Tubby Smith, and Bill Self). The only one you could argue was lesser-known was Martin, and I excluded him really since his job at Tennessee is still incomplete.
 
#119
#119
GoobieVol said:
But lets look at the shape of our progam before BP. And lets try to keep our standards closer to that era rather than the last 6 years.
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Why would anyone want to lower the standards. Mears and Pearl both demonstrated TN can be a strong Bball program with the right man in charge. Find the "next" right man and TN will be right back there.

Maybe we already have the right man? This season and this recruiting class will tell. The line in the sand is drawn. I'm hoping CCM succeeds as he appears to be a solid individual.
 
#120
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GoobieVol said:
Not a narey part of me thinks he would ever have a favorable opion of CCM for long.
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In truth, he'll never support him, because like I said, that would require him to admit he was wrong, which he won't do.

It's the same reason he disappeared at the end of the regular season when we were winning. He has only showed up now to cast his cloud of negativity wheb he feels there is an opening. Much like the rest of the legions of miserable, to borrow a quote from Johnny Majors.
 
#121
#121
walkenvol said:
Why would anyone want to lower the standards. Mears and Pearl both demonstrated TN can be a strong Bball program with the right man in charge. Find the "next" right man and TN will be right back there.

Maybe we already have the right man? This season and this recruiting class will tell. The line in the sand is drawn. I'm hoping CCM succeeds as he appears to be a solid individual.
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I could have worded it better. Just meant that we are not now nor ever been know as a basketball powerhouse. And we need to lower the chicken little mentality till CCM has had more than 2 years.

But having said that, I believe in looking for the writting on the wall. I just dont think their is enough written to decide 100% on what kind of coach we have.
 
#122
#122
cncchris33 said:
In truth, he'll never support him, because like I said, that would require him to admit he was wrong, which he won't do.

It's the same reason he disappeared at the end of the regular season when we were winning. He has only showed up now to cast his cloud of negativity wheb he feels there is an opening. Much like the rest of the legions of miserable, to borrow a quote from Johnny Majors.
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LOL James Franklin needs to read through this thread. Then talk about his Mizz fans.
 
#123
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bleedingTNorange said:
I actually think if he comes close but misses he'll be retained,
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You may be right but I think it would be a mistake much the same as hanging on to Dooley after the end of 2011-12. I think most reasonable folks realized he wasn't the answer then but the AD allowed him another year to make it completely clear to everyone.

If CCM can't lead this tallent to the tourney, then he's not a coach befitting a program the size of TN. Again, I hope he succeeds but I'm realistic that the program should come first over treating a coach nicely.
 
#124
#124
walkenvol said:
You may be right but I think it would be a mistake much the same as hanging on to Dooley after the end of 2011-12. I think most reasonable folks realized he wasn't the answer then but the AD allowed him another year to make it completely clear to everyone.

If CCM can't lead this tallent to the tourney, then he's not a coach befitting a program the size of TN. Again, I hope he succeeds but I'm realistic that the program should come first over treating a coach nicely.
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Hard to argue this. Too much talent on this years team to be bubbling again.
 
#125
#125
walkenvol said:
You may be right but I think it would be a mistake much the same as hanging on to Dooley after the end of 2011-12. I think most reasonable folks realized he wasn't the answer then but the AD allowed him another year to make it completely clear to everyone.

If CCM can't lead this tallent to the tourney, then he's not a coach befitting a program the size of TN. Again, I hope he succeeds but I'm realistic that the program should come first over treating a coach nicely.
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With Dooley, it was all about dollars and cents. Same with Martin. Tennessee couldnt afford to pay buyouts for Fulmer, Dooley, and a new coach's salary, if they planned to pay the new coach anything. The AD is in a financial pit right now, and I have no doubt they will let the basketball team suffer a year under a lame duck coach to save money on his buyout, especially if they allowed the football team to.
 
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