Cuonzo Feeling Unwanted

Racists love to have black people perform for them, be it sports or entertainment. That has been true since slave days. That doesn't mean that they aren't prejudiced.

So what about white players? Are they not slaves to the game either? Is the NBA racist? It is a per-dominantly black sport which has a per-dominantly black fan base.

NBA: Have Black Athletes Killed The White All-Star?

Simply put. They’re gone. According to research done by ESPN’s Outside the Lines back in 2009, 71.9% of NBA players are African American, 18.3% are international and 9.9% are White Americans—meaning there is an average of one per team—with Memphis, Detroit, Los Angeles (Clippers) and Washington having zero. Of those other 26 teams, the Los Angeles Lakers, Milwaukee Bucks and Minnesota Timberwolves are the only franchises that carry more than two White American players on their current roster. Aside from Kevin Love and David Lee, that crop of players that makes up that nearly 10 percent is hardly considered to be at the elite level. Consider this: until Kevin Love came in the league there hadn’t been a White American NBA All-Star since Brad Miller in 2004. You’d have to go all the way back to John Stockton in 1997 to find a starter.

I'm not going to sit here and say racism doesn't still exist because it does. And I'm not going to sit here and say there weren't racist comments made to Cuonzo Martin because I'm sure there were, that was a small percentage of the fan base and those people are ignorant. But we all know why Cuonzo Martin left and he is using racism as the scape goat. The funny thing about that article is it was supposed to be about Cuonzo Martins toughness and all it ended up doing was painting the University of Tennessee as a bunch of racist rednecks. The intentions of Coach Martin and Mr. Medcalf were to do as much damage as possible by using a small percentage of the fan base WHICH EVERY SCHOOL IN AMERICA HAS to try to drag Tennessee through the mud. This is not Mr. Medcalfs first run in with these types of articles, it is fact that when he attended college he wrote a column under the name of Black Angry Myron Medcalf, lets look at one of those articles now.

The Associated Press MANKATO, Minn. — When Myron Medcalf wrote a column in his college newspaper questioning whether white students somehow felt entitled to riot during homecoming, he expected a response. He said he didn't expect the racial insults left on his answering machine.

"I wasn't stunned by the feedback. I'm used to feedback," said Medcalf, editor of Minnesota State University's student newspaper, The Reporter. "I didn't think it would get to the point of using racial slurs."

Medcalf, who is black, wrote in the Oct. 9 edition of the newspaper that some of the more destructive students in the overnight riot that started Oct. 4 near campus felt entitled to do it because of "white male privilege."

"I watched hundreds of white males destroy property, damage cars and set multiple trash bins on fire just because they could Saturday night.

"Those same white males believed that Monks Avenue and CampusView parking lots were theirs and no one could tell them otherwise. Columbus and many European explorers and settlers after him, believed the world was theirs and for that reason, minorities experienced injustices due to their race for hundreds of years," he wrote.

Medcalf's column runs under the title B.A.M.M., which stands for Black Angry Myron Medcalf.

Again, I'm not saying it didn't happen to Cuonzo Martin. I think Cuonzo Martin is a good person at heart but I don't think he's a good basketball coach. I think the Myron Medcalf's intentions were not good, this article was meant to do harm and cause tensions and that's exactly what it has done on this board.
 
Yeah ok. Must be why Rupp recruited so many black players...

Hire of have on your team is completely different than letting someone entertain you. Slave owners had shows with slaves singing and dancing. There were black people in " A Birth of a Nation." There is a long history in the US of exploiting minorities for entertainment. Don' t be willfully ignorant.
 
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So what about white players? Are they not slaves to the game either? Is the NBA racist? It is a per-dominantly black sport which has a per-dominantly black fan base.

NBA: Have Black Athletes Killed The White All-Star?

Simply put. They’re gone. According to research done by ESPN’s Outside the Lines back in 2009, 71.9% of NBA players are African American, 18.3% are international and 9.9% are White Americans—meaning there is an average of one per team—with Memphis, Detroit, Los Angeles (Clippers) and Washington having zero. Of those other 26 teams, the Los Angeles Lakers, Milwaukee Bucks and Minnesota Timberwolves are the only franchises that carry more than two White American players on their current roster. Aside from Kevin Love and David Lee, that crop of players that makes up that nearly 10 percent is hardly considered to be at the elite level. Consider this: until Kevin Love came in the league there hadn’t been a White American NBA All-Star since Brad Miller in 2004. You’d have to go all the way back to John Stockton in 1997 to find a starter.

I'm not going to sit here and say racism doesn't still exist because it does. And I'm not going to sit here and say there weren't racist comments made to Cuonzo Martin because I'm sure there were, that was a small percentage of the fan base and those people are ignorant. But we all know why Cuonzo Martin left and he is using racism as the scape goat. The funny thing about that article is it was supposed to be about Cuonzo Martins toughness and all it ended up doing was painting the University of Tennessee as a bunch of racist rednecks. The intentions of Coach Martin and Mr. Medcalf were to do as much damage as possible by using a small percentage of the fan base WHICH EVERY SCHOOL IN AMERICA HAS to try to drag Tennessee through the mud. This is not Mr. Medcalfs first run in with these types of articles, it is fact that when he attended college he wrote a column under the name of Black Angry Myron Medcalf, lets look at one of those articles now.

The Associated Press MANKATO, Minn. — When Myron Medcalf wrote a column in his college newspaper questioning whether white students somehow felt entitled to riot during homecoming, he expected a response. He said he didn't expect the racial insults left on his answering machine.

"I wasn't stunned by the feedback. I'm used to feedback," said Medcalf, editor of Minnesota State University's student newspaper, The Reporter. "I didn't think it would get to the point of using racial slurs."

Medcalf, who is black, wrote in the Oct. 9 edition of the newspaper that some of the more destructive students in the overnight riot that started Oct. 4 near campus felt entitled to do it because of "white male privilege."

"I watched hundreds of white males destroy property, damage cars and set multiple trash bins on fire just because they could Saturday night.

"Those same white males believed that Monks Avenue and CampusView parking lots were theirs and no one could tell them otherwise. Columbus and many European explorers and settlers after him, believed the world was theirs and for that reason, minorities experienced injustices due to their race for hundreds of years," he wrote.

Medcalf's column runs under the title B.A.M.M., which stands for Black Angry Myron Medcalf.

Again, I'm not saying it didn't happen to Cuonzo Martin. I think Cuonzo Martin is a good person at heart but I don't think he's a good basketball coach. I think the Myron Medcalf's intentions were not good, this article was meant to do harm and cause tensions and that's exactly what it has done on this board.

Its simple. There aren't a lot of NBA level white players. There aren't a whole lot of MLB level black American players.Nothing racist about that.

The article was also true. The truth hurts.
 
We did the same each year. We had a winning record. We had a slate of winnable games coming up and the team had just lost a couple to bad luck. We were gonna make it. Some less informed poster chose to focus on individual games instead of the big picture and already disliked Martin , so they wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

You are still showing your bias and you are doing the same thing that the article did by lumping an entire fan base in with a single individual.
 
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Its simple. There aren't a lot of NBA level white players. There aren't a whole lot of MLB level black American players.Nothing racist about that.

The article was also true. The truth hurts.

So if the white kids who rioted at the school are entitled what are the black kids who rioted in ferguson or baltimore? I'm just making sure this goes both ways
 
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You are still showing your bias and you are doing the same thing that the article did by lumping an entire fan base in with a single individual.

How is it biased to say we finished strong each year when we did?

I also don't think every fan that didn't support him was racist or anything dumb like that. Its even dumber to say it wasn't a factor for some fans, or that it wasn't a factor in Martin leaving. I bet if your wife was getting racist death threats you would want to leave to.
 
How is it biased to say we finished strong each year when we did?

I also don't think every fan that didn't support him was racist or anything dumb like that. Its even dumber to say it wasn't a factor for some fans, or that it wasn't a factor in Martin leaving. I bet if your wife was getting racist death threats you would want to leave to.

So making the NCAA was never in doubt because of how we finished the precious 2 years where we flopped in the SEC tourney and didn't make the ncaa?


Complete ignorant if that is what you are saying considering we ended up in the play in game
 
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So if the white kids who rioted at the school are entitled what are the black kids who rioted in ferguson or baltimore? I'm just making sure this goes both ways

Political protesters. Its is a huge difference between a protest for legit social reasons versus thinking you can year a town up because your sports team won or lost a game. And a couple of people looted out of a large group. The whole purpose wasn't to destroy for fun.
 
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We did the same each year. We had a winning record. We had a slate of winnable games coming up and the team had just lost a couple to bad luck. We were gonna make it. Some less informed poster chose to focus on individual games instead of the big picture and already disliked Martin , so they wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

Why is the first thing to go to is racial issues.....people had issue with Zo from the beginning bc he wasn't Bruce Pearl. It wouldn't have mattered if we hired a white, blue, black,green, or yellow coach....We felt like our coach as stolen from us over something as trivial as a barbecue. My issue was Zo's very sub par recruiting which was still barely top 50 in year four......the same issue I had with Tyndall and the same issue I have with Barnes first class.
 
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Hire of have on your team is completely different than letting someone entertain you. Slave owners had shows with slaves singing and dancing. There were black people in " A Birth of a Nation." There is a long history in the US of exploiting minorities for entertainment. Don' t be willfully ignorant.

You sound ridiculous. Comparing slavery to modern day basketball/entertainment. :eek:lol:
 
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Political protesters. Its is a huge difference between a protest for legit social reasons versus thinking you can year a town up because your sports team won or lost a game. And a couple of people looted out of a large group. The whole purpose wasn't to destroy for fun.

A criminal like Michael Brown is a legit social issue? LMAO
 
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How is it biased to say we finished strong each year when we did?

I also don't think every fan that didn't support him was racist or anything dumb like that. Its even dumber to say it wasn't a factor for some fans, or that it wasn't a factor in Martin leaving. I bet if your wife was getting racist death threats you would want to leave to.

While the racist death threats were probably a factor for him getting out, you have to admit the other factor being the guy just didn't build a good program here and he knew what was coming in 2014-2015 he was going to get fired. The guy was flying on Tennessee planes for "recruiting trips" and going to interviews all along that's why his plane was grounded. And as far as the basketball budget being cut, the athletic department was in the red it didn't have a choice. Everything here centers around football financially and you have to spend money on what makes you money. Again I hate that Cuonzo and his family had to go through that from a few ignorant people and racism is not by any means acceptable but every fan base has these idiots. See Michigan after the loss to MSU they put a noose on the front steps of his house, Aaron Medley received death threats after the Bama game. Our idiots are just now magnified because one idiot Myron Medcalf decided to paint the entire fan base classless and racist.
 
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Political protesters. Its is a huge difference between a protest for legit social reasons versus thinking you can year a town up because your sports team won or lost a game. And a couple of people looted out of a large group. The whole purpose wasn't to destroy for fun.

Right and a small percentage of those protesters made the whole group look ignorant. And now a writer Myron Medcalf is trying his hardest to make a whole fan base look ignorant.
 
Do we need to have a race relation summit in Knoxville for our fans? Racism will exist forever but as a fan base we should be able to get past that.

Our team is majority black and our fan base is majority white. That will probably always be the case. HOWEVER we have a common bond and that is the passion for Tennessee basketball. Can we just focus on that? It's disheartening that we can't drop this issue and just focus on the team and coach at hand. Go Vols!
 
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Why is the first thing to go to is racial issues.....people had issue with Zo from the beginning bc he wasn't Bruce Pearl. It wouldn't have mattered if we hired a white, blue, black,green, or yellow coach....We felt like our coach as stolen from us over something as trivial as a barbecue. My issue was Zo's very sub par recruiting which was still barely top 50 in year four......the same issue I had with Tyndall and the same issue I have with Barnes first class.

We have been over this before. I do respect that you hold the coached to the same standards. All who didn't like him aren't racist. I don't think you are. Your feelings and actions don't speak for all though.

Some praised and still praise Tyndall who was worse in everysingle way. How do you explain the differnce in how they were treated? Martin had more exciting, higher scoring teams who won more with the same type of rosters and expectations.

You also can't say that its not a factor in him leaving. His wife received death threats and they didn't feel safe. It was a factor. There is a reason writers bring it up. It happened.
 
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How is it biased to say we finished strong each year when we did?

I also don't think every fan that didn't support him was racist or anything dumb like that. Its even dumber to say it wasn't a factor for some fans, or that it wasn't a factor in Martin leaving. I bet if your wife was getting racist death threats you would want to leave to.

It is biased because that team had massively underachieved to that point and getting hot in the previous years had come at the beginning of February and not the end. Time had run out in the eyes of the fanbase. It took a 5 game run that came out of nowhere to make a play in game. You saying "we were never in danger" and "we always made a run" is biased.

I've already said that Cuonzo probably was the victim of some racism. He was the coach of a passionate fan base that is predominantly white. I'm sure there were some idiots who made threats. I would say that any coach who doesn't have enough success here in a revenue sport will receive threats.

The problem comes when the entire fanbase gets painted with a broad brush. You are doing the same thing here by lumping this board in with a single poster who no longer posts here.

There's a bigger problem here that I think you touch on and that is that racism does exist and I don't think it is always identified by those who are not victims of it.
 
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We have been over this before. I do respect that you hold the coached to the same standards. All who didn't like him aren't racist. I don't think you are. Your feelings and actions don't speak for all though.

Some praised and still praise Tyndall who was worse in everysingle way. How do you explain the differnce in how they were treated? Martin had more exciting, higher scoring teams who won more with the same type of rosters and expectations.

You also can't say that its not a factor in him leaving. His wife received death threats and they didn't feel safe. It was a factor. There is a reason writers bring it up. It happened.

K-town, you are off base here. There's like 3 posters on here who love Tyndall. One is a high school kid and the other two are trolls who are likely the same person.

There's people out there who are still in love with Lane Kiffin and think he would have had a mountain of success here. Sometimes the guys who don't stay around long enough to fail become legends of "what could have been." Tyndall may receive some of that from fans here.
 
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You sound ridiculous. Comparing slavery to modern day basketball/entertainment. :eek:lol:

That's not what I did. You made the asinine statement that racists wouldn't let black people entertain them. I was pointing it out that it has been going on since the revolutionary war. It has. I'm not going to give you a history lesson but there are millions of examples.
 
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The facts are facts. Going by preseason expectations he met or exceeded them each year. He finished with one of our best seasons ever. We probably get Jaylen Brown if Martin was here. He led for him before he went to Cal. There are a lot of revisionist and people who don't give Martin credit.
 
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How many threats did Dooley and his family get? Jonathon Crompton got threats.

If Martin and his family got "racial" threats, that's horrible, but I don't see how those are any worse than the death threats the ones I mentioned got. I'm not saying it's ok but I am saying compared to the threats and pressure Dooley and Jones had on him, it doesn't compare. Martin was criticized for underachieving; Dooley was lambasted for sucking and Jones was as well for not winning right away.
 
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This Baseball coach has done nothing??? crickets

This Lady Vols has done?? crickets

None have petitions under there belts lol
Common denominator is Fact!

So you're saying that we released an extremely popular coach to ncaa violations who was returning to coaching eligibility in their third year after the current coach is floundering in mediocrity in both wins/loss and recruiting standpoints? Because that's the only logic under which those three sports would have a common denominator.
 

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