Culture eats strategy for breakfast

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Alex10 said:
Because that’s why our program is in the dumpster to begin with? If there weren’t a lot of people willing to take this approach there wouldn’t have been butts in the seats for years now and UT admin would have been forced to actually try and put together a decent product. But they don’t have to spend money to make money because so many people don’t demand anything for their money.
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You're right. Give up supporting the team until they win.

Can you say bandwagon?

Everyone acts like the UT admin intentionally made bad decisions. I'm not defending Dooley or Butch, but Kiffin was a good hire. Hiring Fulmer as AD was a good decisuon amd i will believe im him until ithereise. Its a game after all. If we sit around and wait for a great team what kind of fans are we?

We aren't good, but I definitely think we look better.
 
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jonnon111 said:
You're right. Give up supporting the team until they win.

Can you say bandwagon?

Everyone acts like the UT admin intentionally made bad decisions. I'm not defending Dooley or Butch, but Kiffin was a good hire. Hiring Fulmer as AD was a good decisuon amd i will believe im him until ithereise. Its a game after all. If we sit around and wait for a great team what kind of fans are we?

We aren't good, but I definitely think we look better.
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Anyone who believes there is such a thing as a bandwagon Tennessee football fan after these miserable 10 plus years is a complete and total moron.
 
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jonnon111 said:
You're right. Give up supporting the team until they win.

Can you say bandwagon?

Everyone acts like the UT admin intentionally made bad decisions. I'm not defending Dooley or Butch, but Kiffin was a good hire. Hiring Fulmer as AD was a good decisuon amd i will believe im him until ithereise. Its a game after all. If we sit around and wait for a great team what kind of fans are we?

We aren't good, but I definitely think we look better.
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And your right let’s just keep doing things your way like we have been over the past 10 years... it’s worked out really well I don’t see any need to change the strategy up.
 
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volsarelife1 said:
Yeah that doesn't make too much sense.

Care to explain JG, Tim Jordan, Marquez Callaway.
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How about Richmond, Kongbo, Taylor, Phillips, Abernathy?

There’s truth in both. There are a handful of players to be salvaged from the Jones era, but many more who need to be moved on from. Culture must be completely overhauled and re-made.
 
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Alex10 said:
Because that’s why our program is in the dumpster to begin with? If there weren’t a lot of people willing to take this approach there wouldn’t have been butts in the seats for years now and UT admin would have been forced to actually try and put together a decent product. But they don’t have to spend money to make money because so many people don’t demand anything for their money.
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Ding ding. Turning a blind eye. They will keep selling💩 as long as folk keeps buying. If Pruitt and Fulmer can’t figure this out Haslam will eventually get his loser puppets back in and we will be done.
 
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You would think the older guys will do their very best and do what coaches ask to try get drafted.
 
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jbr82 said:
Ding ding. Turning a blind eye. They will keep selling💩 as long as folk keeps buying. If Pruitt and Fulmer can’t figure this out Haslam will eventually get his loser puppets back in and we will be done.
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Careful if you don’t just conform to the newest level of suck for this program every time we sink lower you are somehow labeled a bandwagon fan.... I’m honestly starting to wonder if some around here even know what that word means? I don’t know but there are plenty around here that are quick to label you that the second you try and offer up anything that might go against just putting your head in the sand and blindly hoping that things will miraculously get better by continuing to do the same dumb crap over and over. Which coincidentally is very close to the definition of insanity.
 
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OP is about a million miles off. There are "Jones" guys that have bought in. There are probably a few that haven't. There are others... that just aren't very good football players.

Jones was a used car salesman. He couldn't coach but deluded himself into believing that he had been successful. In fact, he'd done nothing but ride the coattails of Kelly. But players aren't like what the OP describes for the most part.
 
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MaxVolnGA said:
i don’t think anyone has been more critical of this team than myself. But I don’t get the continued bad mouthing when they ran for over 300 yards. You’re not going to score 60 doing that. Defense pitched a shutout. Vertical passing game showed signs of life.
I know it’s going to be a long year but can you not at least admit the improvement?
One more thing...JG is the man. Get over the KC bull.
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JG is the man? With 1 TD pass vs the worst team in D1 football? LMAO. Get over the JG bull.

Unfortunately KC doesn’t appear to be any better. But we’ll never know bc the way snaps are managed between the two QBs baffles me.

But it is what it is now. We are who we are. Our personnel is set now let’s see how we do in big boy football starting with FL. I’m irrationally hopeful but won’t hold my breath
 
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Alex10 said:
Careful if you don’t just conform to the newest level of suck for this program every time we sink lower you are somehow labeled a bandwagon fan.... I’m honestly starting to wonder if some around here even know what that word means? I don’t know but there are plenty around here that are quick to label you that the second you try and offer up anything that might go against just putting your head in the sand and blindly hoping that things will miraculously get better by continuing to do the same dumb crap over and over. Which coincidentally is very close to the definition of insanity.
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These clowns tried to sale Schiano lol. Kudos to the fans for finally push back against the HoH. Fulmer and Pruitt was hired against the wishes of the HoH. We desperately need them to turn this around. I have no faith in the BOT or HOH
 
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VolInNW said:
Sadly this may be our last shot for awhile. If Pruitt fails we are so deeply ingrained as a loser program I wonder if we might be stuck there for decades.
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It really depends on whether someone has the courage to do the right thing at the right time.

Yes, there would have been howls of "not enough time"... but the right time to fire Jones was after year 3. He had underperformed the talent on each of his first 3 rosters. He had just taken a team that should have won more than 10 regular season games to 9 wins. He had choked away games through poor coaching. He had demonstrated that he was not the coach to take the program forward. However at that point... he would have left a coach like Pruitt a roster full of talent. Can you imagine a downhill run game with Hurd and Kamara sharing carries?

Instead "patience"... like most here called for... allowed the program to slip again.

I hope Pruitt is the guy. But if he isn't getting more out of the roster than the sum of its parts by year 3... make the change then regardless of how many wins he has in that year.
 
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VolInNW said:
Not a pep talk. I’m not sold on Pruitt. Just recognizing that Jones not only was a bad game day coach, he instilled a culture like nothing I have seen on a major football team.

If Pruitt was Lombardi-esque he might be able to snap the Jones juniors and Seniors into shape. He isnt.
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This is where I am too.

We don’t know about the future, but, he is they current coach and deserves a real chance to succeed. As many have pointed out, he has a lot to fix and overcome...and it cannot be done in 3 games.

Another thing to remember. This is not the Tennessee program of the 90s. It is much closer to the Vandy program of the 90s than that. No coach could turn this around with one wave of a magic wand.
 
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Woke said:
JG is the man? With 1 TD pass vs the worst team in D1 football? LMAO. Get over the JG bull.

Unfortunately KC doesn’t appear to be any better. But we’ll never know bc the way snaps are managed between the two QBs baffles me.

But it is what it is now. We are who we are. Our personnel is set now let’s see how we do in big boy football starting with FL. I’m irrationally hopeful but won’t hold my breath
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You have some valid points but you’re taking my “the man” out of context.
I’m not stating he’s the man, look out Heisman. I stating he’s the man that these coaches have bet the future of this season on. He is progressing and not digressing. That’s why the snap management is what it is.
 
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Many of the players are uninspired. Team has been flat for over two yrs. even the 2016 team started bad every game and the most motivated players from that team are long gone. This is the biggest rebuild job in my lifetime at Tennessee and I go back to when Dickey was hired.
 
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MaxVolnGA said:
i don’t think anyone has been more critical of this team than myself. But I don’t get the continued bad mouthing when they ran for over 300 yards. You’re not going to score 60 doing that. Defense pitched a shutout. Vertical passing game showed signs of life.
I know it’s going to be a long year but can you not at least admit the improvement?
One more thing...JG is the man. Get over the KC bull.
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You realize UNLV ran for over 400 vs them last week?
 
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VolInNW said:
There are two Tennessee teams out there:

1. The Jones Boys. These are upperclassmen recruited by Jones and who bought into the slapshod approach he took to player development and coaching. No effort needed. Just get by and live on catchphrases and next year. These guys are unreachable at this point by and large. Their culture is set

2. The New Guys. These are Freshmen and transfers brought in by Pruitt. They are ready to play but lack experience and/or familiarity with the system and team. They are also susceptible to adopting Team #1s habits and attitudes.

Pruitt would like to clear out #1 but he’d be left with 30-40 players. Not happening. We are going to have to get through the washing of the Jones culture. It’s gonna take time.

This year is going to be very very long.
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I've been saying this since game 1. Butch Jones players have to be cycled out. They are ruined and CJP doesn't have enough time to fix them
 
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jonnon111 said:
You're right. Give up supporting the team until they win.

Can you say bandwagon?

Everyone acts like the UT admin intentionally made bad decisions. I'm not defending Dooley or Butch, but Kiffin was a good hire. Hiring Fulmer as AD was a good decisuon amd i will believe im him until ithereise. Its a game after all. If we sit around and wait for a great team what kind of fans are we?

We aren't good, but I definitely think we look better.
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No Kiffin wasnt a good hire. He should have never been considered. In 2009, we were still very relevant in the national scene. We should have been able to,lure a really good coach to TN. Instead what does Hamilton do? He hires a loser in Kiffin. There is absolutely no logic in calling Kiffin a good hire.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
No Kiffin wasnt a good hire. He should have never been considered. In 2009, we were still very relevant in the national scene. We should have been able to,lure a really good coach to TN. Instead what does Hamilton do? He hires a loser in Kiffin. There is absolutely no logic in calling Kiffin a good hire.
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What coach would you have hired? Remember base it off of what you knew in 2009.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
No Kiffin wasnt a good hire. He should have never been considered. In 2009, we were still very relevant in the national scene. We should have been able to,lure a really good coach to TN. Instead what does Hamilton do? He hires a loser in Kiffin. There is absolutely no logic in calling Kiffin a good hire.
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I remember when Kiffin was hired. I was informed of that by a guy at work. My first reaction was WHY??. This guy then informed me that part of the deal was that his daddy would come and be defensive coordinator. That assuaged me just a little until it was announced a few days later that he was hiring Orgeron. I abandoned my fandom at that point for the rest of the year.
 
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Pepe said:
I remember when Kiffin was hired. I was informed of that by a guy at work. My first reaction was WHY??. This guy then informed me that part of the deal was that his daddy would come and be defensive coordinator. That assuaged me just a little until it was announced a few days later that he was hiring Orgeron. I abandoned my fandom at that point for the rest of the year.
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Exactly. I just dont understand why some think Kiffin was a good hire. I mean I assume its because if the Alabama game. But that was pure luck. The guy was a coach with a losing record and zero college experience. That hire began our descent into being irrelevant.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Exactly. I just dont understand why some think Kiffin was a good hire. I mean I assume its because if the Alabama game. But that was pure luck. The guy was a coach with a losing record and zero college experience. That hire began our descent into being irrelevant.
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Kiffin would have been completely lost that year without Hardesty. I now realize that that kind of contradicts my earlier statement that I completely abandon to my fandom that year.
 
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