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#51
#51
volwarren said:
I think only one was embarrassed this day. Playing at CAL with a loss can't compare with a loss at home being a #5 ranked team playing a division 2 school.
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Appalachian State is not a Division 2 school, and yes, UT did get embarassed last night. We were once again exposed as being the soft, cream puff team that Penn State's players said that we were. Notice that once again all of the tough talk coming from our players and coaches during spring and fall practice didn't mean squat once we hit the field.
 
#52
#52
NuclearVol said:
I don't know. IF we take away Cal's 7 points from the Ainge fumble and IF we had scored 7 points on that drive (not completely unlikely), we are even. I think Cal was the better team last night, but even given our horrible defensive performance we were still in the game even into the fourth quarter.
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2 plays is wat separates greatness from mediocre... 2 plays is wat seperate gr8 teams from good teams... and 2 plays is what we alsways lose by... Fl, LSU, Penn state, CAL... i just get a feelin we are gettin used to it...

I certainly don feel vols season is over... infact it has just started but then i just dont feel like defending the vols on this loss as i've done in the past... we lost the game... as others said we were outplayed and our D and ST did not look like they were ready to play... and we should accept it and look forward to a good SEC season rather than tryin to protect the vols sayin it was just 2 plays...

as always GO VOLS!!!
 
#53
#53
Vol423 said:
Of course, they fumbled the ball away to us at the 1-yard line on a fumbled snap on a quarterback sneak, but as long as we're ignoring everything that went badly for us, I guess we should just ignore that fact too.
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That is a valid point. If we accept my dream world and then give Cal the touchdown you mention, Cal still wins by 7. I'm not saying we should have won the game (see my post), but I think that on another day the game might actually have gone another way (even given our abysmal defensive performance). Of course, as Vols4ever mentioned, this is what separates good (mediocre?) teams from great teams. And, unfortunately for the Vols, we don't get another day to play Cal.
 
#55
#55
Vol423 said:
Appalachian State is not a Division 2 school, and yes, UT did get embarassed last night. We were once again exposed as being the soft, cream puff team that Penn State's players said that we were. Notice that once again all of the tough talk coming from our players and coaches during spring and fall practice didn't mean squat once we hit the field.
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I think that it is called the subchampionship div now but it is the old Div2 a football league.
 
#56
#56
The problems in the Cal game, are some of the same problems UT had last season; run defense and special teams.

If coaching couldn't correct those problems during spring and fall camp, I doubt 2 more weeks before Florida will be enough.
 
#57
#57
volwarren said:
first downs UT 20 CAL 23
net rushing UT 111 CAL 230
passing UT 271 CAL 241
avg. punt UT 40 CAL 43
avg kickoff UT 58 CAL 57
kickoff retervn avg.UT 7-179 CAL 6-144
possession time UT 30.14 CAL 29.46
third down conversions UT 6-14 CAL 6-13
red zone scores UT 4-5 CAL 5-6
avg gain/play UT 5.2 CAL 7.2
sacks UT 0 CAL 1
pentalties UT 3-25 CAL 7-52
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Only stat that matters=Cal-45 Tennessee-31.
 
#60
#60
General_Neyland said:
man....mkae sur to take a good hard look at the rest of our schedule and let me know if you still feel confident....I dont see AInge throwing deep effectively for at least 3 more weeks maybe longer....its going to take a while for that finger to get well enough for him to throw deep accurate balls downfield
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This is a very good point.

No one is going to give UT a short passing game or rushing game. They will stack the line of scrimmage and make UT throw the ball deep to beat them. Which Ainge apparently can't.

I think UT is in big trouble. If Southern Miss does this they may rack up 300 yds rushing against UT's spotty run defense and with no offense UT loses.
 
#62
#62
Hat, how sure are you that UT will replace Fulmer after this year... You seem to think there is much higher chance than everyone else.
 
#63
#63
tvolsfan said:
Hat, how sure are you that UT will replace Fulmer after this year... You seem to think there is much higher chance than everyone else.
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If this team loses 5 or 6 games, which seems quite possible now, Fulmer will not be the head coach when the 2008 season begins. It may be presented as a retirement, but everyone will know that the administration finally revoked Phil's scholarship.
 
#64
#64
money talks alot and I dont see big boosters putting up with this crap much after this year but I could be wrong.
 
#65
#65
oklavol said:
This is a very good point.

No one is going to give UT a short passing game or rushing game. They will stack the line of scrimmage and make UT throw the ball deep to beat them. Which Ainge apparently can't.

I think UT is in big trouble. If Southern Miss does this they may rack up 300 yds rushing against UT's spotty run defense and with no offense UT loses.
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Did you watch the same game I did? No offense? We more or less did what we wanted when we wanted. I believe if the D played better we would have went for the long ball. I think we stayed short to keep the ball moving and clock running.
 
#66
#66
BigSteve09 said:
and i was raised in a ole miss house. i know a thing or two about losing seasons and all that rif raf. i was taught growing up to be patient and not so quick to be pissed off.

i'm just saying look at all the things we do have to be happy about. there's more plusses than minuses. and one of those plusses is a loss. i hope people start underestimating us. last night was not the UT we will see from now on. believe that.
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growing up in an ole miss house, i would guess a 7-5 season would be a successful one.
 
#67
#67
hatvol96 said:
If this team loses 5 or 6 games, which seems quite possible now, Fulmer will not be the head coach when the 2008 season begins. It may be presented as a retirement, but everyone will know that the administration finally revoked Phil's scholarship.
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I think not, we will win 10-9 games our young wr will come of age, Our only problems I see with our D, scoring 31 points should be enough to win most games. I do not think there will be a coaching change at the top this year and even if there was one to come a change now would hurt not help, the Question is what does the team do to salvage a season that has not been played yet?
 
#68
#68
volwarren said:
first downs UT 20 CAL 23
net rushing UT 111 CAL 230
passing UT 271 CAL 241
avg. punt UT 40 CAL 43
avg kickoff UT 58 CAL 57
kickoff retervn avg.UT 7-179 CAL 6-144
possession time UT 30.14 CAL 29.46
third down conversions UT 6-14 CAL 6-13
red zone scores UT 4-5 CAL 5-6
avg gain/play UT 5.2 CAL 7.2
sacks UT 0 CAL 1
pentalties UT 3-25 CAL 7-52
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They don't really have tackling stats.
 
#69
#69
volwarren said:
Our only problems I see with our D, scoring 31 points should be enough to win most games.
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That's a pretty big problem. One that doesn't just go away.

It's not one part of our D. It's our d-line. It's no pressure on the qb. It's the tackling. It's the special teams.
 
#70
#70
Vol1312 said:
Did you watch the same game I did? No offense? We more or less did what we wanted when we wanted.
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Except for:

When we had 3rd and 12 down by 7 with a chance to win.

And when we had first and goal inside the 5 and failed to get a TD.

And throwing anything more than 15 yards down field.



We had some success running and with the short passing game, but we couldn't generate a big play. Without the big play threat our running production will go down, just like in 2005.
 
#72
#72
BigSteve09 said:
whatever. take it like a man.
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Since I'm a woman, guess that doesn't apply...
I did take some positives from the game last night and in a way that made the loss worse...imo, we were the better team and should have won, but again stupid mistakes, "a few bad breaks," "the perfect storm" whatever, cost us the game.
Fulmer is 100% responsible for the Jackson punt return...we should have kicked out of bounds or as close to it every time. I'm tired of the let's ignore facts and stats and film and go forward with a weak game plan anyway...and we knew we had to get to Longshore, but was he even pressured or hurried once? I may need to check the film...lol...and when we need 7-8 yards, how many times are we gonna throw the short 2-3 yard pass that has no chance in he11 of getting us the 1st down?

All that said, I think we can and will go 9-3, but NO, I will not take mediocrity from MY University of TN Vols and say "thank you sir, may I have another?"
 
#73
#73
I agree that if he loses 5 or more again it may be time, but I don't think it's gonna get that bad. The only way I see us losing 4 is if we AGAIN decide not to care about the bowl game. Some folks may want us to be USC, but we aren't. I don't enjoy mediocrity, but 2 or 3 losses on a schedule w/ the SEC and a constant solid to stellar non conference opponent is nothing to be embaraassed by.
 
#74
#74
Myself I would go to mixing up my D line asignments try some old 5-4 Oaklahoma,show stuff that they have never seen before bring a few all out blitzes.
 
#75
#75
General Jack said:
Except for:

When we had 3rd and 12 down by 7 with a chance to win.

And when we had first and goal inside the 5 and failed to get a TD.

And throwing anything more than 15 yards down field.



We had some success running and with the short passing game, but we couldn't generate a big play. Without the big play threat our running production will go down, just like in 2005.
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And that majority of that was coaching calls not execution by the players. Who in the hell lines up in shotgun and throws a pass in the flats on the half yard line. Sure we didnt convert on third and long a few times. There is no team in the nation that will convert third and long more than 50 or 60% of the time.

I have still yet to hear a convincing reason as to why you have to throw long. Give me one good explaination as to why 3, 5-10 yard passes are worse than one 30 yard play. We had 5 or 6 20+ yard plays how big will suit you? So if a team dont have at least a couple 60 yard plays they suck?
 
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