Crompton

#51
#51
orangetanker11 said:
If you are referring to the Crompton of 2008, then yes. However, if you would read earlier posts, you would see that I am under the belief that the entire offense was attrocious last year, not just Crompton. But you are a little off subject. We are talking about the 2006 game vs. LSU.
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Crompton completed only 11 of 24 passes in the 2006 game against LSU. Meachem bailed his a$$ out on 2 passes. One was a short pass that Meachem took to the house, and the other pass never should have even been thrown. It was an atrocious decision, but Meachem bailed him out and caught it for a touchdown. If a 45.8% completion percentage is your definition of "showing promise", then by all means, Crompton is your man. Many of the rest of us hold out hope for a quarterback that is at least marginally competent at playing the position.
 
#52
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Vol423 said:
Crompton completed only 11 of 24 passes in the 2006 game against LSU. Meachem bailed his a$$ out on 2 passes. One was a short pass that Meachem took to the house, and the other pass never should have even been thrown. It was an atrocious decision, but Meachem bailed him out and caught it for a touchdown. If a 45.8% completion percentage is your definition of "showing promise", then by all means, Crompton is your man. Many of the rest of us hold out hope from a quarterback that is at least marginally competent at playing the position.
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Ok then in your opinion against a LSU defense which was ranked one of the best in the nation, and for the first significant playing time for a red shirt freshman, what do you consider "showing promise?" Without a PERFECT THROW from Crompton on the long TD pass, Meach doesn't "bail" anyone out.
 
#53
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TennFan0027 said:
I just read an article on espn talking about how Kiffin told some wide outs that Crompton was going to make a good QB. Kiffin went on to say that it was the system not Crompton. Now I want to believe him when he says that but even when the offense was just a couple of plays he couldnt make a 5 yard throw. I was just wondering what all of you think. Is Crompton the answer we need.
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What is Kiffen supposed to tell his wide receivers, that the quarterback situation is hopeless and that they should probably take up lacrosse? It is hard for me to believe that the "system" wasn't at least partially to blame for the debacle we had last year under center, but this statement means nothing. You tell your receivers that the kid will be fine so they can concentrate on blocking, running routes, and catching balls.
 
#54
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cotton said:
What is Kiffen supposed to tell his wide receivers, that the quarterback situation is hopeless and that they should probably take up lacrosse? It is hard for me to believe that the "system" wasn't at least partially to blame for the debacle we had last year under center, but this statement means nothing. You tell your receivers that the kid will be fine so they can concentrate on blocking, running routes, and catching balls.
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First of all, it's "Kiffin". Second, he could have said Nick Stephens or B.J. Coleman, but he didn't. He said Crompton. Apparently, the staff saw something in Crompton that they liked, and that they could coach him up to be a good QB, or at least a QB that doesn't cost us games. Now, IMO, the system played the biggest role in our offense being as bad as it was last year. Now, I could take the easy road and blame Crompton, but the reason I don't is because EVERYONE looked bad last year. Everyone. If it were just Crompton, then I may blame him. But it wasn't just Crompton that was bad.
 
#55
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orangetanker11 said:
First of all, it's "Kiffin". Second, he could have said Nick Stephens or B.J. Coleman, but he didn't. He said Crompton. Apparently, the staff saw something in Crompton that they liked, and that they could coach him up to be a good QB, or at least a QB that doesn't cost us games. Now, IMO, the system played the biggest role in our offense being as bad as it was last year. Now, I could take the easy road and blame Crompton, but the reason I don't is because EVERYONE looked bad last year. Everyone. If it were just Crompton, then I may blame him. But it wasn't just Crompton that was bad.
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My apologies. I suppose I have read it spelled incorrectly on this board enough that it is ingrained in my mind.

Shame on me.

My point is that, assuming Crompton is the #1 guy under center, this was the only thing Kiffin could tell the receivers, whether he believes it or not.
 
#56
#56
orangetanker11 said:
Ok then in your opinion against a LSU defense which was ranked one of the best in the nation, and for the first significant playing time for a red shirt freshman, what do you consider "showing promise?" Without a PERFECT THROW from Crompton on the long TD pass, Meach doesn't "bail" anyone out.
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Completing significantly more passes to your own receivers than to the ground and your opponent is certainly a start. Crompton is wildly inaccurate with his passes, and that is even when you just talk about the passes that should have been thrown. His decision making is nothing short of atrocious as well, so there are a lot of passes that he throws that never should have been thrown.
 
#57
#57
Vol423 said:
Completing significantly more passes to your own receivers than to the ground and your opponent is certainly a start. Crompton is wildly inaccurate with his passes, and that is even when you just talk about the passes that should have been thrown. His decision making is nothing short of atrocious as well, so there are a lot of passes that he throws that never should have been thrown.
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Once again, you are talking about last year. I'm talking about the LSU game. What would you consider "showing promise?"
 
#58
#58
cotton said:
My apologies. I suppose I have read it spelled incorrectly on this board enough that it is ingrained in my mind.

Shame on me.

My point is that, assuming Crompton is the #1 guy under center, this was the only thing Kiffin could tell the receivers, whether he believes it or not.
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I believe that he was telling this to wide receiver recruits, not to wide receivers already on the team. Kiffin had to tell wide receiver recruits something because they saw all of those passes bouncing off the ground and sailing out of bounds too. If you tell them the truth (that all of the quarterbacks on our team right now suck, but our coaching staff was just hired with 6 weeks remaining in the recruiting cycle and we aren't going to sign any quarterbacks in this recruiting season), then you also won't sign any wide receivers. He had to tell them something, so he told them that he was confident that the current QB could be a good quarterback.
 
#59
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cotton said:
My apologies. I suppose I have read it spelled incorrectly on this board enough that it is ingrained in my mind.

Shame on me.

My point is that, assuming Crompton is the #1 guy under center, this was the only thing Kiffin could tell the receivers, whether he believes it or not.
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Ok, that I can understand.
 
#60
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orangetanker11 said:
Once again, you are talking about last year. I'm talking about the LSU game. What would you consider "showing promise?"
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No. I can see how you would confused since Crompton has been incredibly consistent over the course of his career, and my statement could have just as easily been describing his performance last year. However, I'm talking about the LSU game in 2006. You know, that "promising" performance in which he completed 11 of 24 passes. He threw 12 passes into the ground and LSU picked off another one. You continue to try to spin that into something promising, but in reality it's flat out atrocious and it's totally consistent with what he has shown since 2006 as well.

It would probably help your argument if you were attempting to defend a quarterback who had not thrown for below a 50% completion percentage in the majority of the games that he has started over the course of his career. Unfortunately, you're stuck with Crompton, so it's slim pickings, and the one game that you've decided to hold up as a promising performance is a game in which he completed fewer than 50% of his passes.
 
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#61
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Vol423 said:
No. I can see how you would confused since Crompton has been incredibly consistent over the course of his career, and my statement could have just as easily been describing his performance last year. However, I'm talking about the LSU game in 2006. You know, that "promising" performance in which he completed 11 of 24 passes. He threw 12 passes into the ground and LSU picked off another one. You continue to try to spin that into something promising, but in reality it's flat out atrocious and it's totally consistent with what he has shown since 2006 as well.
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Let me help you out. Showing promise = strong arm, ability to throw deep, aggressiveness, ability to scramble, competitiveness. If you don't think that red shirt freshman against a top 5 defense in his first significant playing time who shows the above mentioned isn't "showing promise," then I am done arguing with you. You obviously keep dodging my question, and you keep talking in circles. I've said this before, and I'm saying it now...I am not the biggest Crompton fan around, far from it. But I cannot deny that, with his performance in the LSU game, many, many fans couldn't wait until he was the starter, I was one of them.
 
#62
#62
orangetanker11 said:
Let me help you out. Showing promise = strong arm, ability to throw deep, aggressiveness, ability to scramble, competitiveness. If you don't think that red shirt freshman against a top 5 defense in his first significant playing time who shows the above mentioned isn't "showing promise," then I am done arguing with you. You obviously keep dodging my question, and you keep talking in circles. I've said this before, and I'm saying it now...I am not the biggest Crompton fan around, far from it. But I cannot deny that, with his performance in the LSU game, many, many fans couldn't wait until he was the starter, I was one of them.
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Many, many fans are poor evaluators of talent. Don't take it too hard. Fulmer was fooled too.
 
#64
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orangetanker11 said:
Don't forget everyone at Rivals and Scout. Oh, thanks for answering my question, by the way. That was awesome.
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You aren't looking for an answer to your question. I've given it to you twice, and you continue to ignore it because you know that you can't dispute it. I don't give a damn about arm strength, ability to throw deep, competitiveness, etc. Every quarterback on a college roster has shown enough raw talent to earn a spot on the team. No matter how strong your arm is, quarterbacking comes down to a player's ability to make the proper decision and throw an accurate pass. If you can't consistently make the proper decision and throw the ball accurately it doesn't matter how strong your arm is or how competitive you are. Crompton is atrocious at both, and he has been consistently atrocious at both, including your "promising performance" at LSU in 2006.
 
#65
#65
Vol423 said:
You aren't looking for an answer to your question. I've given it to you twice, and you continue to ignore it because you know that you can't dispute it. I don't give a damn about arm strength, ability to throw deep, competitiveness, etc. Every quarterback on a college roster has shown enough raw talent to earn a spot on the team. No matter how strong your arm is, quarterbacking comes down to a player's ability to make the proper decision and throw an accurate pass. If you can't consistently make the proper decision and throw the ball accurately it doesn't matter how strong your arm is or how competitive you are. Crompton is atrocious at both, and he has been consistently atrocious at both, including your "promising performance" at LSU in 2006.
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No you didn't. You just kept telling me what a QB shouldn't do.
 
#66
#66
Vol423 said:
I believe that he was telling this to wide receiver recruits, not to wide receivers already on the team. Kiffin had to tell wide receiver recruits something because they saw all of those passes bouncing off the ground and sailing out of bounds too. If you tell them the truth (that all of the quarterbacks on our team right now suck, but our coaching staff was just hired with 6 weeks remaining in the recruiting cycle and we aren't going to sign any quarterbacks in this recruiting season), then you also won't sign any wide receivers. He had to tell them something, so he told them that he was confident that the current QB could be a good quarterback.
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Same premise, magnified.
 
#67
#67
orangetanker11 said:
Let me help you out. Showing promise = strong arm, ability to throw deep, aggressiveness, ability to scramble, competitiveness. If you don't think that red shirt freshman against a top 5 defense in his first significant playing time who shows the above mentioned isn't "showing promise," then I am done arguing with you. You obviously keep dodging my question, and you keep talking in circles. I've said this before, and I'm saying it now...I am not the biggest Crompton fan around, far from it. But I cannot deny that, with his performance in the LSU game, many, many fans couldn't wait until he was the starter, I was one of them.
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Crompton isn't competitive.
 
#68
#68
orangetanker11 said:
No you didn't. You just kept telling me what a QB shouldn't do.
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Wrong again, but thanks for playing.

Vol423 said:
Completing significantly more passes to your own receivers than to the ground and your opponent is certainly a start. Crompton is wildly inaccurate with his passes, and that is even when you just talk about the passes that should have been thrown. His decision making is nothing short of atrocious as well, so there are a lot of passes that he throws that never should have been thrown.
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#71
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CMPVolFan said:
You know. I thought Crompton showed that he could play fairly well against UCLA and Kentucky. In the other games, he had no confidence. Nick Stevens looked alright in a few games too. And also, Kiffin was @ USC with 2 heisman trophy winning QB's. So, i think that Kiffin could really improve our QBs skill. I'm not saying that they will be good, all i'm saying is that they ***could*** be ok. I am sure they will do better than last year.
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That was all Norm Chow
 
#72
#72
We are all getting ahead of ourselves. I am anxious also but the QB's have not been developed yet!
Look at Matt Lienart. Looked like John Elway in college in USC's system but so hot in a diffrent one.
 
#73
#73
People just need to get over hyping Crompton up. If you are a friend of his then do what a real friend would do and set him down and tell him he does not have what it takes to play QB at this level.

He is in his 5th year and has never shown a gleamor of hope and all the different OC's he has had is total BS and nothing but an excuse.

When Peyton became starter his freshmen year he shown signs of being a good QB.
Clausen was a road warrior and would battle till the end.
Ainge shown flashes of being decent before his injury, sucked his sophmore yr but battled back.
Shuler would get after it and did good.
Crompton has yet to show anything and he needs to get his degree and move along.
 
#74
#74
the system has nothing to do with crompton fumbling handoffs and throwing picks at the 2 yard line...JMO
 
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