CPF not getting raise

#28
#28
Just to be clear on what he actually got...

Tennessean:Fulmer Contract
Coach Phillip Fulmer downplayed Thursday the fact that he wouldn't be getting a raise for a second straight year and said his interest was making sure that his assistant coaches were rewarded.
Tennessee Athletics Director Mike Hamilton announced in a release Thursday night that Fulmer's contract would be extended two more years through 2013, but that his salary would remain at $2.05 million.
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"I've said all along that I have the best job in America, and there's no place I'd rather be than right here," said Fulmer, who led the Vols to a 9-4 season in 2006 after they suffered through a 5-6 season in 2005.
"My main concern was my staff and them being taken care of, and I appreciate the administration doing that. Each of our coaches will get a two-year minimum contract, and the money available to pay assistants was also increased so that we can be competitive with other staffs around the country. That was what I felt like was most important."
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The salaries of the Vols' assistant coaches had fallen to the middle of the pack in the Southeastern Conference. Fulmer's pool of money to pay his nine on-the-field assistants will increase to more than $1.7 million, up from $1,415,043 last year.
Offensive coordinator David Cutcliffe and defensive coordinator John Chavis already had two-year contracts, and both were making $300,000 annually.
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even though he's not getting a raise on his base salary of $325,000, his guaranteed money will actually increase because he's getting an extra year on his contract.
Fulmer's buyout would increase to more than $4.6 million should Tennessee decide to terminate his contract following the 2007 season.
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#29
#29
seems like all Mike did was increase the amount it would take for is to buy him out if it came down to it. I dont understand this move at all. Phil wasnt in danger of going anywhere so why not let him prove that he's really got the program turned around.
 
#30
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rexvol said:
seems like all Mike did was increase the amount it would take for is to buy him out if it came down to it. I dont understand this move at all. Phil wasnt in danger of going anywhere so why not let him prove that he's really got the program turned around.
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Yeah Rex, I think the buyout increase you refer to was already built into his existing contract. It merely kicked in when Fulmer was given the extension...

Make sense?
 
#31
#31
sure, but I dont understand the timing of an extension when we are only one season removed from only 5 wins, seems like common sense would have waited to see if we really back on track (I honestly believe that Phil has made great strides in the right direction, but UF & LSU have exploded).
 
#32
#32
It doesn't take a member of the Mensa Society to understand the subliminal message of CPF getting a contract extension without a pay raise.........It's a "vote of confidence" by the boss saying that this year is win something (SEC C'ship, BCS Bowl or equivalent) or be fired. Unfortunately, with the competition in the SEC and our weakness in the O&D lines this may not be possible.

Stay tuned. I personally think MH has set the stage for Fulmer to gracefully retire if the football team loses four or more games this fall.:compute:
 
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rexvol said:
sure, but I dont understand the timing of an extension when we are only one season removed from only 5 wins, seems like common sense would have waited to see if we really back on track (I honestly believe that Phil has made great strides in the right direction, but UF & LSU have exploded).
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You're not the only one who feels that way at all.
It is simply how its done though, that something is done with the contract after every season.. My read is that this is as 'wait and see' an outcome as one could expect. I think the message is actually exactly what you want, the language just tends to leave you with a different take on the whole thing.

It matters little in the end. Next season will be the absolute arbiter of the coaching situation at UT.
 
#34
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rexvol said:
seems like all Mike did was increase the amount it would take for is to buy him out if it came down to it. I dont understand this move at all. Phil wasnt in danger of going anywhere so why not let him prove that he's really got the program turned around.
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Also agree. Not sure why he did this. As you mentioned we are moving in the right direction but not enough to warrant a reward such as a contract extension.
 
#35
#35
eh, the extension isn't that big a deal...there was no restructuring of the contract as it relates to bonuses or salary or buy outs....in reality, the option goes up but not so much that it makes it impossible to make a move if needed. basically, we all know he's there next year anyway right? so after next season if he were to be fired, his buy out after next season basically just remains the same as it did after the 06 season.

i'm with OWH on this.........
 
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rockydoc said:
It doesn't take a member of the Mensa Society to understand the subliminal message of CPF getting a contract extension without a pay raise.........It's a "vote of confidence" by the boss saying that this year is win something (SEC C'ship, BCS Bowl or equivalent) or be fired.
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I think you might have read a little more into this than it means. The extension is a sign of stability signalling to players and recruits that there isn't going to be a major upheaval in the program. The lack of a raise says that the administration believes he is fairly compensated but hasn't exceeded expectations in performance. I don't read anything that says "this is the year or else." I think this year will be evaluated when it is over, as it should be.

XtennesseeX said:
I always thought for some reason Mike Hamilton was stuck up Fulmer's butt.

I am starting to believe Mike Hamilton is one of the best AD's in the Country, with the hire of Bruce Pearl in basketball, and keeping Trooper, while not giving Fulmer a raise until he proves something again.

He also helps schedule great games OOC wise in Football.
We have alot of great teams on our Future OOC Sched.
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The Pearl hire was obviously very good. I see the Fulmer situation as being neutral, as Hamilton really hasn't done anything yet; the extension merely maintains the status quo. And we have always scheduled great OOC games, so again, I chalk it up to neutral.

I don't mean to disparage Hamilton, but don't let the giddiness of bringing hoops back to the hill make a non-decision about a football coach and putting Oklahoma on the schedule in 2011 into more than it is.

whoseurgranny said:
when does bruce get his
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Although I don't know the details of his contract, I'd say Bruce is going to move up a tax bracket or two after this year.
 
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rexvol said:
seems like all Mike did was increase the amount it would take for is to buy him out if it came down to it. I dont understand this move at all. Phil wasnt in danger of going anywhere so why not let him prove that he's really got the program turned around.
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i agree rex, only thing this does is make it harder to buy fulmer out after 3 or 4 8-5 or 9-4 years. bad move.
 
#41
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rockydoc said:
It doesn't take a member of the Mensa Society to understand the subliminal message of CPF getting a contract extension without a pay raise.........It's a "vote of confidence" by the boss saying that this year is win something (SEC C'ship, BCS Bowl or equivalent) or be fired. Unfortunately, with the competition in the SEC and our weakness in the O&D lines this may not be possible.

Stay tuned. I personally think MH has set the stage for Fulmer to gracefully retire if the football team loses four or more games this fall.:compute:
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we will see, but i bet after we lose 4 this year he doesn't retire.
 
#42
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champyvol said:
i agree rex, only thing this does is make it harder to buy fulmer out after 3 or 4 8-5 or 9-4 years. bad move.
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We've been through this before. All it does is make the buyout go from expensive to a little more expensive. The way the contract is written, it's not a number that is going to ever be low no matter how much time is left in the deal. It would cost megabucks either way.
 
#43
#43
I know this is too wild of an idea for some on here to accept but CPF may have been in agreement that he didn't need a raise. I think he realizes he needs to get more money to his assistants. And the beautiful thing his, all the NegaVols on here have to concede these two points. CPF has won more national championships than they have and he has done so more recently than they have.
 
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#44
OrangePappy said:
I know this is too wild of an idea for some on here to accept but CPF may have been in agreement that he didn't need a raise. I think he realizes he needs to get more money to his assistants. And the beautiful thing his, all the NegaVols on here have to concede these two points. CPF has won more national championships than they have and he has done so more recently than they have.
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Agreed.
 
#45
#45
You know what they say..... an extension is only as good as the termination that follows it.
 
#46
#46
OrangePappy said:
I know this is too wild of an idea for some on here to accept but CPF may have been in agreement that he didn't need a raise. I think he realizes he needs to get more money to his assistants. And the beautiful thing his,all the NegaVols on here have to concede these two points. CPF has won more national championships than they have and he has done so more recently than they have.
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Nope, I'm Pete Carrol.
 
#47
#47
OrangePappy said:
I know this is too wild of an idea for some on here to accept but CPF may have been in agreement that he didn't need a raise. I think he realizes he needs to get more money to his assistants. And the beautiful thing his, all the NegaVols on here have to concede these two points. CPF has won more national championships than they have and he has done so more recently than they have.
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Seriously though, why would you say that. Just because I'm not a coach I have to accept Fulmer as my personal savior?
 
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tvolsfan said:
Seriously though, why would you say that. Just because I'm not a coach I have to accept Fulmer as my personal savior?
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because he's a fulmerite. i'll stand by my statements. fulmer is one of the best recruiters in the country. as a coach though he is average at best. i personally believe tennessee could do better.
 
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champyvol said:
because he's a fulmerite. i'll stand by my statements. fulmer is one of the best recruiters in the country. as a coach though he is average at best. i personally believe tennessee could do better.
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Who's out there that is available that would be better than Fulmer right now?
 
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justingroves said:
Who's out there that is available that would be better than Fulmer right now?
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Do you think Florida and Norte Dame used that as an excuse not to fire their coach? No. And now their programs are better off.

Coaching is like recruiting players...you just dont know how it will play out until it happens. Coaches with proven track records wont do as good in some situations (Holtz at usc) while coaches from lesser programs will be outstanding (Meyer).

Obviously, you're taking a chance. But is the chance worth risking the status quo? One more 4-5 loss season and I say yes.
 
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