Cowherd on Fulmer

#155
#155
As to Cowherd, I listen, but with a grain of salt. He says so much crap, and is quite different on televsioon than he is on radio. Case in point the auburn vs: florida game last year which he covered on tv, then talked about florida getting "hosed" on a ball placement call all the next week on his radio show. I disagree with his assessment of CPF, he has proven he is better than some of the coaches named, who have yet to win consistently as CPF has in 90's and up to 05. Hey let's be realistic in our assessments, it fine to not be as grounded in reality in our opinions. :eek:k:
 
#156
#156
gcb/hoosiervol said:
As to Cowherd, I listen, but with a grain of salt. He says so much crap, and is quite different on televsioon than he is on radio. Case in point the auburn vs: florida game last year which he covered on tv, then talked about florida getting "hosed" on a ball placement call all the next week on his radio show. I disagree with his assessment of CPF, he has proven he is better than some of the coaches named, who have yet to win consistently as CPF has in 90's and up to 05. Hey let's be realistic in our assessments, it fine to not be as grounded in reality in our opinions. :eek:k:
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up until the utah game cowherd was saying ucla was a top-10 team and had the best qb in the country. i kept wondering if he had actually seen any UCLA games considering how mediocre they were looking. Something tells me his staff does all his "research" and he is talking out of his arse 99.9% of the time.
 
#157
#157
droski said:
up until the utah game cowherd was saying ucla was a top-10 team and had the best qb in the country. i kept wondering if he had actually seen any UCLA games considering how mediocre they were looking. Something tells me he staff does all his "research" and he is talking out of his arse 99.9% of the time.
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Probably an accurate assessment, but when it comes to Carr and Fulmer, he may be using that .1%
 
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#158
volfanbill said:
if it wasn't that Toomer was once a quality receiver I'd put the Giants down. How 'bout the Bills? Granted Evans has a shot at becoming quality. Darrell Jackson is the closest thing the 49ers have.
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The Titans have Moulds who was once a quality WR, so you could remove them from the list
 
#161
#161
volfanbill said:
absolutely there are. you'd be a fool to think someone like the eagles or the vikings have a quality wr on their team
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OK Bill. Who off the 98 UT team is a quality NFL player in your mind? Since that was the original question.
 
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#162
truefan said:
While I agree with most of your post, I don't agree with your Nebraska comment. Nebraska was a perfect example of a bunch of 3-star propects given an opportunity to be stars in a system that was schematically simplistic in nature yet had dynamic results. Out of their skill position starters that year, only one of them could have started for UT and that was the fullback.
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I went to the 1998 Orange Bowl. I thought K-C and JoJo destroyed the National Anthem, was looking for a good showing to possibly get the voters to 1/2 the NC with Michigan, but I've never seen a worse beat down in my life. It was much worse than '07 Florida. It was one of those beat downs that you thought, "Man, our guys could have played good and still would have gotten beaten bad." Those 3 star players sure looked like NFL Hall of Famers that night. Our "Play of the Night" was Chris Hogue's 72 yard punt.
 
#163
#163
allvol said:
...However, Syracuse and Miss State had 3 players each taken in the 1st 2 rounds of the NFL draft. Arkansas had 4 players taken in the '99 draft. That doesn't include the UDFAs that also ended up on NFL squads. Nor does it include underclassmen that eventually ended up in the NFL.

Florida had 8 players drafted, Florida State had 4 drafted, and Geogia 6.

To compare, there were 6 Vols selected in that same draft.

The Vols faced the 2 quarterbacks that were taken 1st and 2nd in the NFL draft that season too.
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All Vol,
With all due respect, TN had one of the most impressive collections of talent in the last two decades during the 1995-1999 era. I might put it behind a couple of the MIA teams, and FSU certainly had some really great talent, but TN was in rarified air at the time.

TN was a actually not even a Senior dominated team in 98 if you look at the depth and draft. That's one reason they were so disappointing with the pathetic 9-3 record in 99; because they were supremely talented and should have wiped the field with FL and ARK.

1998-1999 Teams (with some combination)
Jamal Lewis
Travis Henry
Shawn Bryson
Cosey Coleman
Chad Clifton
Reggie Coleman
Will Ofenhuesle
Josh Tucker
Fred Weary (DT as FR)
Peerless Price
Cedric Wilson
Dante Stallworth
Shawn Ellis
Will Overstreet
John Henderson
Darwin Walker
Billy Ratliffe (injuries)
Corey Terry
Jeff Coleman
Dwayne Goodrich
Steve Johnson
Deon Grant
Andre Lott
Al Wilson
Reynoch Thompson
Eric Westmoreland
Keyon Whiteside

That's not bad talent to work with in a down SEC.
 
#165
#165
justingroves said:
I'll go by my standards and he can go by his. Any WR that produced liked Moulds did while having the QBs he had is quality in my book.
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As you should.

I've been cracking up over this quality debate. It's subjective unless there is an absolute level established, based on specific criteria. There is no wrong answer.
 
#167
#167
Jasongivm6 said:
I went to the 1998 Orange Bowl. I thought K-C and JoJo destroyed the National Anthem, was looking for a good showing to possibly get the voters to 1/2 the NC with Michigan, but I've never seen a worse beat down in my life. It was much worse than '07 Florida. It was one of those beat downs that you thought, "Man, our guys could have played good and still would have gotten beaten bad." Those 3 star players sure looked like NFL Hall of Famers that night. Our "Play of the Night" was Chris Hogue's 72 yard punt.
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They might have looked like NFL hall of famers but the fact is the Vols had a lot more players from that team playing in the NFL than the the Nebraska team.

Osborne was a helluva coach and is terribly underrated as one of the best of all time
 
#168
#168
jakez4ut said:
well it's a good thing that they didn't bring them to NEB to run a pro style, drop back, lead footed QB run offense then isn't?

sounds to me like NEB then found out what their atheletes did best and wone a couple of national championships with it.

and to that point, i'd contest that peyton, kent et al couldn't have started for Neb that year either....so what's the point?[/QUOT

Did you read the post I had quoted?? It stated Nebraska had a lot more talent than us and I am saying they actually didn't. They got COACHED UP bettter............

I guess the other point is Osborne was in another league, coaching wise, than Fulmer.....as good as we thought we were then.
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#169
#169
Cowturd, is great when it comes to the Big 12 and Pac-10. When it comes to Tennessee football though, I consider him to be biased and not a good bias either.
 
#170
#170
UT IE 95 said:
And they would be considered quality by any measurement.
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Getting 1000 yards in the NFL season isn't considered the feat it used to be when they played 14 games. LOTS of guys are getting 1000 yards...some are just "above average" backs.
 
#171
#171
TennNC said:
Jake, I think that's the reaction many reasonable, forgiving fans such as yourself have had. I am not as reasonable or forgiving and started reacting like this a long time ago. I felt dreadfully exposed in the coaching realm many times, esp. after the 2001 SEC CG, the two Peach Bowl blowouts against ACC teams (you can understand that one), the AF squeaker last seasons, and the Vandy and SC losses in 2005. The only times I've felt insufficient in the talent standpoint were Nebraska in 1997, Arkansas last year and Florida this year.
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I was in the Orange Bowl for that game. It was close at half until the 1st drive of the second half. Up the gut, up the gut....running all the way down the field.

After that game, the Vols knew what needed to be done if they wanted to compete. The next year we had a NC.

I've always been a positive guy when it comes to Fulmer and Co. It's time to compete again. Now.
 
#172
#172
A few thoughts

1) Cowherd is a blowhard. He has zero philosophical consistency. He wants to blather on about the stupidity of statistical analysis, for example, but I constantly hear him bring up (and misuse) numbers to prove some moronic point

2) If not for his tragic death, Brandon Burlsworth would be on the fast track to being cast in bronze in Canton, Drew Carey glasses included. His technique was the most flawless of any interior lineman I've seen in the last 15 years, and he hadn't even fully developed the strength that would have catapulted him into legendhood

3) Having NFL talent on a roster is irrelevant to winning, just as having college talent at the high school level doesn't correlate to winning. It's a nice bonus, but hardly the be-all-end-all

4) John Feinstein's description of Kevin Johnson is dead-on.

5) Rob Konrad would have been a terrific NFL player if he'd been born 20 years earlier

6) The difference between an average NFL player and a street free agent is normally miniscule. What keeps the average players around normally is based on draft position, money invested, and special teams play. There was almost nothing that would separate, say, Robert Bean of Mississippi State from an NFL nickelback or Chrys Chukwuma of Arkansas from anyone Cleveland was starting
 
#173
#173
Ohio Vol,

The points about college to NFL are valid; however, when players like Shaun Ellis and Al Wilson are All Americans and productive in college and then go on to make Pro Bowls in the NFL, I'd say their productivity and talent are validated.

In other words, the talent TN had in the mid to late 90s was not only deep and good, but it was also the kind of deep and good that was just that at any level you put them. Tennessee's role players were multi-year NFL players and fringe free agents.

I mean, we had players like Anthony Herrera starting for NFL teams who hardly had a media mention while at TN because they were overshadowed by people like Fred Weary.
 
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