Cowherd on Fulmer

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For those of you who missed it, Colin Cowherd went on a rant about Phil Fulmer and the erosion of the Tennessee program. Many of his points have been discussed here for years, but it's interesting to hear it on national radio.

Cowherd discussed the parallels to Tubby and Lloyd Carr...talked about how Fulmer has allowed the program to erode, and says it's time for Fulmer to go.

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.
Now, Fulmer is in the bottom tier of SEC coaches. With Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Miles, Tuberville, Saban, and Brooks ahead of him, he's no longer able to win games on talent alone.

He talked about Tennessee losing 5 of its last 7 bowls and how that's unacceptable...he went on to say that it is inexcusable for Tennessee to EVER miss a bowl game...it's not the NFL, there's no reason for a school like Tennessee to EVER have a season without a bowl game.

He said "Tennessee is a fantastic job, and Fulmer's an average coach..average coaches go to average schools like Ole Miss, not Tennessee. Tennessee is an excellent job, it requires and excellent coach."

Again, none of this is particularly insightful, it's just interesting to see that the national media agree with most Tennessee fans...our standards aren't too high, we deserve a winner.
 
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I often find Cowherd to be like most radio personalities - an utterly annoying blowhard.

But this is a rant I agree with.
 
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i would expect these sentiments to grow as the season goes along, should we drop games to some of the afformentioned coaches at SC, Bama, GA, KY.....

all this is right now, and i am 100% guilty here as well, is the reaction to 59-20. it's one thing to lose to FL. FL doesn't suck. FL will win a lot of games this year. it's another thing to be exposed so dreadfully so from a coaching and talent standpoint.
 
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Where's Beef? I want him to tell me again about how much respect Fulmer has from the national media.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i would expect these sentiments to grow as the season goes along, should we drop games to some of the afformentioned coaches at SC, Bama, GA, KY.....

all this is right now, and i am 100% guilty here as well, is the reaction to 59-20. it's one thing to lose to FL. FL doesn't suck. FL will win a lot of games this year. it's another thing to be exposed so dreadfully so from a coaching and talent standpoint.
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Jake, I think that's the reaction many reasonable, forgiving fans such as yourself have had. I am not as reasonable or forgiving and started reacting like this a long time ago. I felt dreadfully exposed in the coaching realm many times, esp. after the 2001 SEC CG, the two Peach Bowl blowouts against ACC teams (you can understand that one), the AF squeaker last seasons, and the Vandy and SC losses in 2005. The only times I've felt insufficient in the talent standpoint were Nebraska in 1997, Arkansas last year and Florida this year.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Where's Beef? I want him to tell me again about how much respect Fulmer has from the national media.
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I couldn't help myself....

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I have a lot of respect for what Fulmer has done for your program in the past. You can not argue the undefeated season and a National Championship. That being said, I think it is time to move on to a younger more offense minded coach. I also feel that way about Bobby Bowden too.
 
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Preaching To The Choir.....

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.

Whatever! Disagreed! Certainly, above average.
 
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VOLnFLORIDA said:
Preaching To The Choir.....

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.

Whatever! Disagreed! Certainly, above average.
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There were definitely top-tier coaches in the SEC in the 90s. But from the top down, the coaching level has gone up exponentially, and he's drowning in despair. I would agree that the coaching level, on average for all schools, was average.
 
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scottone928 said:
I have a lot of respect for what Fulmer has done for your program in the past. You can not argue the undefeated season and a National Championship. That being said, I think it is time to move on to a younger more offense minded coach. I also feel that way about Bobby Bowden too.
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Well, that's echoing the feelings of most across these, and all boards for that matter. Their systems are effective, and devastatingly so, at churning out high levels of pro-ready talent. It was not, however, adapted for the evolving college game well.
 
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TennNC said:
Jake, I think that's the reaction many reasonable, forgiving fans such as yourself have had. I am not as reasonable or forgiving and started reacting like this a long time ago. I felt dreadfully exposed in the coaching realm many times, esp. after the 2001 SEC CG, the two Peach Bowl blowouts against ACC teams (you can understand that one), the AF squeaker last seasons, and the Vandy and SC losses in 2005. The only times I've felt insufficient in the talent standpoint were Nebraska in 1997, Arkansas last year and Florida this year.
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i did too, and even i knew there was a differenc in what CPF was doing during that time and what guys like Saban, and Richt etc...were doing. throw Spurrier and Meyer in the mix, and it has gone down hill.

i however, was always of the belief that he should be afforded the opportunity to right the ship based on what he had done the 1st half of his career.

well, we're in year two of that opportunity, and as far as i'm concerned, i have my answer.
 
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VOLnFLORIDA said:
Preaching To The Choir.....

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.

Whatever! Disagreed! Certainly, above average.
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Brad Scott, Mike Dubose, Jim Donnan, and Gerry Dinardo are average in comparsion to Spurrier, Saban, Richt and Miles.
 
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VOLnFLORIDA said:
Preaching To The Choir.....

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.

Whatever! Disagreed! Certainly, above average.
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a couple of questions:
would you rather have Brad Scott at SC or Steve Spurrier?

Would you rather have Rich Brooks at KY or Mike Archer?

Would you rather have Mark Richt or Ray Goff at GA

would you rather have Ron Zook or Urban Meyer at FL?

would you rather have Mike dubose, shula, price or Nick Saban at Bama?

would you rather have Gerry Dinardo or Nick Saban/Les Miles at LSU?

Would you rather have Bobby Johnson or Woody W. at Vandy?

the coaching in the 90's, minus Spurrier at FL, was very average. and CPF was 2nd to SOS during that time. this will sound harsher than it may be intended, but for all intents and purposes, during that time, CPF was simply "the best of the rest".
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Brad Scott, Mike Dubose, Jim Donnan, and Gerry Dinardo are average in comparsion to Spurrier, Saban, Richt and Miles.
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Don't forget Curly Hallman, Mike Archer, Rod Dowhower, Sparky Woods, and Ray Goff. The SEC was just loaded with brilliant coaches in the 1990s.
 
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scottone928 said:
I have a lot of respect for what Fulmer has done for your program in the past. You can not argue the undefeated season and a National Championship. That being said, I think it is time to move on to a younger more offense minded coach. I also feel that way about Bobby Bowden too.
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If you respect what Fulmer did in the past so much, then why did you choose two quotes of Spurrier taunting Fulmer-led 90s teams for your signature?
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Now, Fulmer is in the bottom tier of SEC coaches. With Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Miles, Tuberville, Saban, and Brooks ahead of him, he's no longer able to win games on talent alone.
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I would not put Tubby and Brooks ahead of Fulmer. Richt also seems headed in a similar direction but should be out of Athens before it goes. I would also put Miles abilities on par with Fulmer.
 
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1. Cowherd is a buffoon.
2. Putting Brooks on a list above a guy he has never beaten confirms number 1.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
For those of you who missed it, Colin Cowherd went on a rant about Phil Fulmer and the erosion of the Tennessee program. Many of his points have been discussed here for years, but it's interesting to hear it on national radio.

Cowherd discussed the parallels to Tubby and Lloyd Carr...talked about how Fulmer has allowed the program to erode, and says it's time for Fulmer to go.

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.
Now, Fulmer is in the bottom tier of SEC coaches. With Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Miles, Tuberville, Saban, and Brooks ahead of him, he's no longer able to win games on talent alone.

He talked about Tennessee losing 5 of its last 7 bowls and how that's unacceptable...he went on to say that it is inexcusable for Tennessee to EVER miss a bowl game...it's not the NFL, there's no reason for a school like Tennessee to EVER have a season without a bowl game.

He said "Tennessee is a fantastic job, and Fulmer's an average coach..average coaches go to average schools like Ole Miss, not Tennessee. Tennessee is an excellent job, it requires and excellent coach."

Again, none of this is particularly insightful, it's just interesting to see that the national media agree with most Tennessee fans...our standards aren't too high, we deserve a winner.
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The success in 1998 was not due to inferior teams on UT's schedule. The Vols played more ranked opponents in that season, and won them all, than any other season in recent memory. That season included 4 wins over top 10 teams and 2 other teams that were ranked in the top 25.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
1. Cowherd is a buffoon.
2. Putting Brooks on a list above a guy he has never beaten confirms number 1.
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Yeah, Lenn Robbins, Dennis Dodd, Mark Schlabach, Matt Hayes, Bruce Feldman, et al are all buffoons. How dare anyone impune the greatness of Prince Phillip of Peach Bowls?
 
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