Covid Fraud Thread

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Persian Vol said:
It’s true the vaccines weren’t perfect at blocking infection, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t effective at all. Early on, especially with the original strain and Alpha, the mRNA vaccines reduced the risk of infection by around 70–90% in the first couple months after a full series. As new variants like Delta and Omicron came along, that protection against catching the virus dropped, but it was still there, just not as prominent.

Where the data is overwhelming is in outcomes once infected: vaccinated people consistently had much lower rates of hospitalization, ICU admission, and death compared with the unvaccinated. That held true across every major study and for every variant. What matters is the population-level data, and across millions of people, vaccinated groups clearly fared better. I could care less about anecdotal data.
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S explain all the ventilator deaths then. Incompetent practice?
 
#229
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Long Post Jxn i hope you will bear with me. I don't care if anyone else decides to read a word.

Yup I was lucky as hell. My Pulmonologist PA was actually the one who laid it out, he advised me I would be a vent by that evening, and likely dead in 48, and that if I wanted to say anything to anyone I should go ahead and call. That sounds harsh but that was very important it allowed me to get the mental str while barely able to talk and breathe to call my dad, brother inlaw, and be for ready for death and assurances they would take care of my wife and son. To say I appreciate that frankness was an understatement, it also convinced me I would give it everything I had at that moment, I proned positions for like 2-3+ days straight, someone else had to help me pee, and my only food was a little bit through a straw that was dicey while on a bipap and after that 12 hours a for a week I proned. My spine felt like it had a knife in it (proning long term will F You up!), and I never was under 170bpm, it's like running down a steep hill and if you trip you die, but you have to do it for a week or more. I was on a bipap on the highest setting it could go to maxed out, it sounded like a jet engine (for those that don't know this is not like a home bipap this is a huge machine that forces high pressure air into your lungs) , and my bpm had been 170+ resting for like a week like I said it was an insane experience I can never truly explain to people. The bipap had reached it's limit and I was damn lucky to have it because it was the last one. other people in my situation were having to go to vent because no bipap was available, and here I was knowing people likely are dying because I have this machine.

Across town a friend of mine's brother went to the "other" hopsital and before he even was at the level to need a Bipap they immediately put him on remdesivir and the vent, the intibation process alone was enough to basically euthenize him. he had let them know he did not want the remdesivir, his family said no to it, and they gave it to him anyway cause .....money from govt!.... and he died. They (that hospital) were getting govt kickbacks for using this protocol, and killing ALOT of patients. I lucked out that my ambulance took me to Memorial instead, and I got the last bipap.

That Physicians assistant pulmonologist that was frank with me, is also who I credit with saving my life more then any other. We'd talked a couple of times personally he'd taken an interest in me I'd showed him pics of my son and wife and how much I wanted to live etc, and I guess he was tired of seeing people die, he went home and apparently was up all night checking experimental treatments etc, guy had already been on frontlines watching people die for months, he came back and got permission to give me a treatment that basically was every steroid possible and just throw them all at me and taper down. They had not done this method prior. It worked. I'm alive. I owe him my life. I asked him why I made it, and he said most people who get to where I was give up they just quit, it hurts to much. I dunno that I am tougher but I only knew I could not leave my family.

Let me tell you who actually nearly COST me my life though. I won't name names. If I wanted to sue I would have a long time ago. But My Internal Medicine Doctor who was also a board certified know it all sheep. I had already been hospitalized once had gotten over COVID so I thought, and was being sent home (too early). They cut me off steroids completely the moment I left. It was like a smoldering fire in a closed room. If you understand anything about covid and how it killed people you know what happened next. It was the cytokine storm that was killing people, when your lungs attack themselves. I Immediately went to see him upon getting out he looked over all my meds but did not think once about the stoppage of steroids (this was common knowledge, and probably worthy of a lawsuit) even though they knew this was the issue coast to coast and even nurses knew it. I immediately got worse and worse, and I came back and his response was to put me on antibiots because maybe I had another infection. This after a c-scan taht showed my lungs as solid white inflamed horror show. I was coughing so bad literally people were coming out of other rooms to see what was going on and this ****er gave me antibiotics and see ya in a month as a response a couple of days later my oxygen plummeted to 40 and I nearly died at home in bed when ambulance got there, all I could hear was the thunder of my heart. the oxygen the medic gave me barely got there in time. When they saw my treatment at hospital they were like who the hell is was this physician. He was a BOARD CERTIFIED INTERNAL MEDICINE doctor. He is apart of a healthcare practice that MANY people use that is SUPPOSED to be really good. Also never did anything beyond what official AMA says....absolute sheep......I should have never gone back to hospital much less full blown cytokine storm etc......he dropped the fing ball, it never occured to me to sue that's not what my fam usually does, I have many medical professionals in the family and it's just not how we think. But yeah my faith in him and the majority of doctors were dead after that.

I turned the corner and was so wasted away I had to go to rehab to learn to walk again, I had always had huge legs i used to push like 800 lbs on leg lifts. Now they looked like arms not legs. I had been in hospital counting 1st and 2nd and then rehab about 3 months in total. I was on oxygen for a year when I got out, took alot of PT to get mobile, and regain muscle and leg strength. Luckily I left that dumb ass Internist and found a old country doc Who had been on the bleeding edge of covid treatment the entire time, via ivermectin, hydrochloroquine etc. He also was one of the first to realize benefit of NAC and LDN for recovery.....he was reading research daily, and I don't think one of his patients died. When he wasn't seeingh patients he was reading papers, and he has consitantly been ahead of the curve at every step for treating long term issues. He I credit for getting me back to normal after a LTC battle that was about 2 years after going home. If he'd been my doctor before I'd have never even been hospitalized. the Interernist that nearly got me killed I am sure would call him a kook.

I may not be a doctor but I have read just about everything you can read on this with papers, studies etc. I lived it, I know what worked and what didn't. The one thing that has changed forever is trusting someone knows what their talking about just because of a degree, title or certification and in the end I know it was the Pulmonologist PA staying up at home after already working a nightmare shift looking for any new possible treatment and getting no sleep and not the actual Dr who saved my life. But also the TEAM of Doctors at a hospital that allowed them to do their job, where the admin hadn't forced them to euthenize patients via CDC protocols for government paychecks.

So it doesn't surprise me when some "I can do no wrong" Dr with a deity complex comes in and still defends the indefensible. They know they killed people, they may have even killed family members...they're still living with that. They refuse to admit they were wrong. They do not want to hear or see evidence to the contrary. To do so would be to face their guilt.
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Praise the Lord.
 
#230
#230
Persian Vol said:
Mandates were employer/government policy decisions, not evidence that the vaccines were unsafe. The medical recommendation came from broad data showing reduced hospitalizations and deaths.

That’s factually incorrect. Comirnaty and the EUA product were the same formulation. The “availability” issue was purely regulatory labeling, not the actual contents of the vaccine.

Regulatory speed ≠ lack of safety. The mRNA platform had over a decade of research, and tens of thousands of trial participants were studied before authorization. Since then, billions of doses have been given with no new long-term safety signals.

As for your metal analogy, it doesn’t hold. Orthopedic implants are mechanical devices subject to wear and tear over years. Vaccines are biological agents that don’t remain in the body long-term. They can’t “squeak” or erode, the comparison is misleading.

A 1% fatality rate still meant millions of deaths worldwide. More importantly, survival doesn’t capture the full picture: vaccines prevented countless hospitalizations and ICU stays. Reducing severe disease was the central goal, and the data clearly show they achieved that.
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The FDA is the body that approves devices and drugs. So I don’t think you understand all that you think you do. If there are regulatory issues that alone means it hasn’t been tested for long term safety data. You can’t have it both ways.

But I digress. You are like a sheep. This is toeing the company line. Continue to be an AMA robot. At minimum your comments have proven that you’re all in on the shots.

Are you up to date on the most recent booster? How many shots did you take?
 
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Jxn Vol said:
The FDA is the body that approves devices and drugs. So I don’t think you understand all that you think you do. If there are regulatory issues that alone means it hasn’t been tested for long term safety data. You can’t have it both ways.

But I digress. You are like a sheep. This is toeing the company line. Continue to be an AMA robot. At minimum your comments have proven that you’re all in on the shots.

Are you up to date on the most recent booster? How many shots did you take?
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The AMA doesn’t approve vaccines. The FDA/CBER does, informed by external advisory committees and published evidence.

Pay attention to the part in bold, you seem to ignore it quite a bit.

Me being up to date doesn’t change the argument. But yes, I’ve gotten vaccinated every year.
 
#233
#233
SpaceCoastVol said:
Science was corrupted in FauciFlu days by big pharma. You were too close to it to see it objectively.
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That’s an assertion, not evidence. If science was “corrupted,” then you should be able to point to specific studies, data fabrication, or falsified results. Instead, the global data from dozens of countries, with independent regulators and researchers, showed the same patterns: vaccines reduced severe disease and hospitalizations.

Claiming that all of science was tainted by “big pharma” is self-defeating, because it means you’re rejecting peer review, international replication, and independent health systems that reached the same conclusions. That’s not objectivity, that’s dismissal.

Being critical is healthy. But sweeping “everything was corrupted” claims without evidence are just rhetoric, not science.
 
#235
#235
SpaceCoastVol said:
Can you honestly dispute what he alleged?
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His allegation has no logical bearing on his argument. It’s a clear red herring. In addition, his perception of how medicine and hospital systems operate is quite abysmal, yet his hubris on the matter is stunning. Like I told him earlier, I don’t debate conspiracists because they’re too far gone to have any meaningful conversation.
 
#236
#236
SpaceCoastVol said:
S explain all the ventilator deaths then. Incompetent practice?
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This is actually incredibly easy. This is prime correlation does not equal causation. More people die on ventilators because intubation is the last level of escalation in medicine for respiratory failure. If there were no ventilators, then everyone would die on BIPAP. Then people would think BIPAP leads to higher deaths. Which would be as ridiculous. I actually explained this rational in detail earlier if you care to look.

A lot of people with sepsis die despite being on antibiotics. No one would make a ridiculous assertion that antibiotics worsens outcomes.
 
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#237
Also keep in mind during Covid there were limited ventilators due to the massive surge in demand, there were many people who died because they couldn’t be on a ventilator. Let’s also factor in the amount of people who need to be placed on a ventilator for non COVID reasons, such as sepsis, drug overdose, status epileptics (seizures), pneumonia, heart failure exacerbations, asthma exacerbations, etc. Many of these cases are preventable deaths, but many people who could have otherwise been saved ended up dying due to a lack of supply for life saving equipment. This was very much due to the surge in demand for ICU beds. This was a real problem that people like @Jxn Vol fail to comprehend, yet toss around that “99% survival” number, as if preventing millions of preventable deaths isn’t of value?
 
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#239
Persian Vol said:
The AMA doesn’t approve vaccines. The FDA/CBER does, informed by external advisory committees and published evidence.

Pay attention to the part in bold, you seem to ignore it quite a bit.

Me being up to date doesn’t change the argument. But yes, I’ve gotten vaccinated every year.
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Now we are getting somewhere. The government pushed/rushed it with no long term safety data.

What does the F in FDA stand for?

So you have all the boosters? Just seeing if you are practicing what you are preaching.
 
#240
#240
Persian Vol said:
Also keep in mind during Covid there were limited ventilators due to the massive surge in demand, there were many people who died because they couldn’t be on a ventilator. Let’s also factor in the amount of people who need to be placed on a ventilator for non COVID reasons, such as sepsis, drug overdose, status epileptics (seizures), pneumonia, heart failure exacerbations, asthma exacerbations, etc. Many of these cases are preventable deaths, but many people who could have otherwise been saved ended up dying due to a lack of supply for life saving equipment. This was very much due to the surge in demand for ICU beds. This was a real problem that people like @Jxn Vol fail to comprehend, yet toss around that “99% survival” number, as if preventing millions of preventable deaths isn’t of value?
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Wrong again. There was a military floating hospital ship in NY that wasn’t used.

The ventilator and anti viral protocols killed people.

If we followed basic virology protocols and got to herd immunity faster more folks would still be here.

Yall panicked and people were harmed. Don’t get me started about quarantines and keeping people inside. That also killed people indirectly.
 
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#242
Jxn Vol said:
Wrong again. There was a military floating hospital ship in NY that wasn’t used.

The ventilator and anti viral protocols killed people.

If we followed basic virology protocols and got to herd immunity faster more folks would still be here.

Yall panicked and people were harmed. Don’t get me started about quarantines and keeping people inside. That also killed people indirectly.
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To say I am wrong, and then to say ventilators are what killed people and that more people getting COVID would have saved lives is tragic levels of ignorance.
 
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#243
Persian Vol said:
To say I am wrong, and then to say ventilators are what killed people and that more people getting COVID would have saved lives is tragic levels of ignorance.
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Try to keep up. The hospital protocols that combined anti virals and vents killed people.

Mandating a shot with no long term safety data is tragic levels of ignorance. Pair that with diaper masks, quarantines, social distancing to 6 feet, shutting schools, closing parks, etc is next level idiotic.

So have you had all the boosters? Are you practicing what you are preaching?
 
#244
#244
Jxn Vol said:
Try to keep up. The hospital protocols that combined anti virals and vents killed people.

Mandating a shot with no long term safety data is tragic levels of ignorance. Pair that with diaper masks, quarantines, social distancing to 6 feet, shutting schools, closing parks, etc is next level idiotic.

So have you had all the boosters? Are you practicing what you are preaching?
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You’re literally a broken record.
 
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