Covid Fraud Thread

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Persian Vol said:
We’ve learned the vaccines aren’t perfect at blocking infection, especially with new variants, but the big picture is clear: they’ve massively reduced hospitalizations and deaths. Protection against catching or spreading COVID fades with time, which is why boosters matter, but every major study shows vaccinated groups have had far better outcomes than the unvaccinated. They’re not a magic shield, but they’ve saved millions of lives.
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Millions. Please. Herd immunity did more than the shots.

And please don’t call the a vaccine. It’s a therapeutic
 
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Persian Vol said:
That first piece is full of speculation without evidence. If mRNA shots really caused cancer, we’d see it in the massive registry data from millions of people, yet no spike has shown up. The “SV40” claim is misleading (it’s just a harmless promoter sequence, not the cancer-causing virus), and “turbo cancer” isn’t recognized by any medical body. Real-world data and peer-reviewed studies consistently show no increase in cancer risk from mRNA vaccines.
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No worries. Just curious. I am skeptical about mRNA vaccines and I regret getting the Moderna shot. I did it because my son and his bride felt more comfortable at the time if we were all vaccinated at their wedding.

Military vaccinated the crap out of us lol. No telling what they gave us.
 
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Persian Vol said:
This is unequivocally false information.
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Unequivocally? Hardly. I am genuinely surprised that you have gone hard over to believe what it is what you believe. 'First do no harm' I think it says. It is an indisputable fact that those 'vaccines' were not successfully tested prior to being released for human consumption. Yet you... as a doctor... endorse them. And there has been zero proof that they prevented (or even lessened severity for that matter) anything. The wholesale panic in the medical community over this thing was astounding.


Change my mind.
 
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Persian Vol said:
You have to be an utter quack to get your board certification revoked. And a quack he was.
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I don't know the particulars any more than you do, but my guess is that since he didn't toe the political line, he was deemed a 'quack'. And if you have to be an 'utter quack' that doesn't say much for those that control the quality of our medical care does it?

Fauci still has his, and look at what a murderous scumbag he is. What does that tell you?
 
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Persian Vol said:
That first piece is full of speculation without evidence. If mRNA shots really caused cancer, we’d see it in the massive registry data from millions of people, yet no spike has shown up. The “SV40” claim is misleading (it’s just a harmless promoter sequence, not the cancer-causing virus), and “turbo cancer” isn’t recognized by any medical body. Real-world data and peer-reviewed studies consistently show no increase in cancer risk from mRNA vaccines.
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So in other words, the science is 'settled'.

Got it.

Oh and are those 'peers' the same ones that determine what a 'quack' is? Asking for a friend.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Unequivocally? Hardly. I am genuinely surprised that you have gone hard over to believe what it is what you believe. 'First do no harm' I think it says. It is an indisputable fact that those 'vaccines' were not successfully tested prior to being released for human consumption. Yet you... as a doctor... endorse them. And there has been zero proof that they prevented (or even lessened severity for that matter) anything. The wholesale panic in the medical community over this thing was astounding.


Change my mind.
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The mRNA vaccines went through tens of thousands of participants in randomized controlled Phase 3 trials before rollout, with safety/efficacy data published in peer-reviewed journals. Regulators gave emergency use authorizations because the evidence of benefit was strong in the middle of a global emergency.

Multiple independent studies across the US, UK, Japan, etc., showed sharp drops in hospitalization and death after vaccination campaigns. NEJM, Lancet, CDC, and UK ONS data consistently confirm reduced severity, especially in the first year.
 
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Persian Vol said:
There is data that says otherwise, whether you choose to believe it or not.
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Data can be made to say anything. Come on you know this being a doctor. All it takes is tweaking.

I have worked for companies that are masterful at tricking you doctors. As a group they are some of the most easily swayed.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't know the particulars any more than you do, but my guess is that since he didn't toe the political line, he was deemed a 'quack'. And if you have to be an 'utter quack' that doesn't say much for those that control the quality of our medical care does it?

Fauci still has his, and look at what a murderous scumbag he is. What does that tell you?
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It’s actually quite simple. There’s only one real way to science, and if you don’t actually science, but create your own manipulated version of science, that’s called pseudoscience. Those people are quacks, grifters, opportunists, or innocently deluded.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Data can be made to say anything. Come on you know this being a doctor. All it takes is tweaking.

I have worked for companies that are masterful at tricking you doctors. As a group they are some of the most easily swayed.
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Yes, hence why there is a slew of bad studies supporting bad science. But thankfully, our training includes learning how to interpret high quality studies that are peer reviewed and strong, from the easily flawed studies that get reposted here on random political websites.
 
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Persian Vol said:
We’ve learned the vaccines aren’t perfect at blocking infection, especially with new variants, but the big picture is clear: they’ve massively reduced hospitalizations and deaths. Protection against catching or spreading COVID fades with time, which is why boosters matter, but every major study shows vaccinated groups have had far better outcomes than the unvaccinated. They’re not a magic shield, but they’ve saved millions of lives.
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What have we learned about their side effects?

I also don't understand why we are one of the only countries that recommend it for most people over the age of 18. Ireland recommends it for people over 70. Britain over 75. France says "anyone at risk for severe disease". If all it does is reduce hospitalizations, why should healthy young people get it? They're not vulnerable of being hospitalized particularly because most everyone has natural immunity by now
 
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Persian Vol said:
Yes, hence why there is a slew of bad studies supporting bad science. But thankfully, our training includes learning how to interpret high quality studies that are peer reviewed and strong, from the easily flawed studies that get reposted here on random political websites.
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That’s what they want you to believe. Data can be manipulated and yall don’t even know it.

And your training typically doesn’t filter everything out. Because many times the folks that are behind the data have gone through that exact training.

I have seen it from infection control to implant failure. All it takes is a tweak.

Hell Fauci was trained and look at that idiot. Pushing a shot with no long term safety data and social distancing. He is another educated idiot
 
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I don't know which was worse. Getting Covid or the vaccine. Covid caused congestive heart failure in my wife. My business partner had to lie face down to breath even with some suoer saturated oxygen equal to about 40 ml. They called his family in and was going to place him on a vent. He would have died. His sons were fighting with his doctors to try Ivermectin. They finally gave in even though it broke hospital rules. In 3 days the man was sitting up in bed and communicating. About a year later after being vaccinated, he died of a massive stroke. The cause? Who knows but I have my suspicions. I, myself have just been diagnosed with non-alcoholic cirrhosis. It's usually because of blood transfusions or hepatitis. I've had none of these. My blood tests started going bad after I had covid and the vaccine. I have my suspesions as to why I need a liver transplant or I will die. I could tell many more stories similar to these. I wouldn't be surprised to learn they already had a vaccine ready to go but wanted to appear like heroes working night and day to develop this thing. These are some wicked people.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
That’s what they want you to believe. Data can be manipulated and yall don’t even know it.

And your training typically doesn’t filter everything out. Because many times the folks that are behind the data have gone through that exact training.

I have seen it from infection control to implant failure. All it takes is a tweak.

Hell Fauci was trained and look at that idiot. Pushing a shot with no long term safety data and social distancing. He is another educated idiot
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Not worth debating a conspiracist.
 
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Persian Vol said:
Yes, I’m an internal medicine physician.
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I know several physicians including one in my family. He obviously feels guilt and is likely in denial as well. All the physicians who blindly followed the politics and cdc have quite a bit to feel guilty for... they all had training, they all had learned about safety protoicols on vaccines, which they knew were being ignored, but they sold out the moment the government threatened for the most part. They followed politics instead of science and good medicine. They hardly ever admit when they are WRONG, ask ANY nurse. To be honest it is this denial more then anything that makes me no longer trust most physicians.....thankfully my doctor is NOT one of those in denial. He stuck to his guns had his license threatened but stayed true to his medical understanding. He saved many lifes and did a great deal towards my own COVID recovery. The doctor I had before an "internist" who followed p\rotocol and politics F'd up at every turn and is part of the reason I nearly died. It's physicians like those that are why MANY died. For the rest seek out the good ones. You stating what you're stating, and then saying your a physician doesn't come across like you think it does. It just convinces me you're a terrible doctor.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I know several physicians including one in my family. He obviously feels guilt and is likely in denial as well. All the physicians who blindly followed the politics and cdc have quite a bit to feel guilty for... they all had training, they all had learned about safety protoicols on vaccines, which they knew were being ignored, but they sold out the moment the government threatened for the most part. They followed politics instead of science and good medicine. They hardly ever admit when they are WRONG, ask ANY nurse. To be honest it is this denial more then anything that makes me no longer trust most physicians.....thankfully my doctor is NOT one of those in denial. He stuck to his guns had his license threatened but stayed true to his medical understanding. He saved many lifes and did a great deal towards my own COVID recovery. The doctor I had before an "internist" who followed p\rotocol and politics F'd up at every turn and is part of the reason I nearly died. It's physicians like those that are why MANY died. For the rest seek out the good ones. You stating what you're stating, and then saying your a physician doesn't come across like you think it does. It just convinces me you're a terrible doctor.
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I don’t think you have a good understanding of science and medicine.
 
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