Couple of crazy rumors floating around...

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BeecherVol said:
Yeah. If this turns out to be bogus on his end I doubt it will even out on the flipside for him.

Maybe he's that stupid and hates UT football. I dont know.
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All I know is that it is a shame what this program has fallen to. Since around 2005, it has been one comical disaster after another.
 
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When I type "Butch Jones" into google right now, these are the auto search suggestions that come up for me...
 

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flatiron said:
That's not how accusations are supposed to work. You don't just accuse someone of something and say "prove me wrong". You've got to bring some actual evidence besides "I've heard on good authority"
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That's what he and stokes did, though. Said that, between the two of them, they have if from 6 people who were there that there was an altercation. But they can't say in certain terms the extent of the altercation.


You've gotta think if it was just a heated exchange and some shoving, Butch could have honestly addressed that and said as much. "Emotions were running high in a practice. Our guys play with a lot of passion. I challenged one a bit too hard and there was some pushing and shoving. But we're a family. And sometimes families push and shove each other. At the end of the day, it was just another football practice on a hot day. Complete non-issue."
 
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EZE said:
Honestly, the most likely source is the UT AD, because it has the most to gain. It would allow them to remove Butch for cause and have an argument against his buyout. Now, the issue most likely would be settled and the AD would still have to pay something, but it would be around half or less depending on the facts. Still better than the full amount.
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If CBJ is removed for cause Hart has to go. He cannot survive his to highest profile hires being fired for cause.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
That's what he and stokes did, though. Said that, between the two of them, they have if from 6 people who were there that there was an altercation. But they can't say in certain terms the extent of the altercation.


You've gotta think if it was just a heated exchange and some shoving, Butch could have honestly addressed that and said as much. "Emotions were running high in a practice. Our guys play with a lot of passion. I challenged one a bit too hard and there was some pushing and shoving. But we're a family. And sometimes families push and shove each other. At the end of the day, it was just another football practice on a hot day. Complete non-issue."
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Speculate much?
 
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SmokeyLives said:
But but but...... Swain is only saying an "altercation" took place, in fact going out of his way to say they have NO knowledge of any punch or other action involved. So Swain is sensationalizing the situation.
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Swain said a "physical" altercation took place. He read the definition of altercation from dictionary.com and then gave examples of what a physical altercation could include, specifically mentioning shoving, slapping, kicking, punching and a few others. He said his sources were eye witnesses and did not indicate there was a punch, but did confirm that there was a "physical" altercation between Crowder and Jones.
 
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EZE said:
This has been strategically leaked to the press by somebody. Could be Crowder, could be Hart or somebody else. Somebody wants to take Butch down.
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Hmmmm... Who could stand to gain from this? Surely this type of coup has never been attempted at the University of Tennessee before.
 
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hog88 said:
If CBJ is removed for cause Hart has to go. He cannot survive his to highest profile hires being fired for cause.
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I'm not sure about that, but you could be right. I could see it being better for Hart to fire him for cause than for failure to win enough. Would also reduce the buyout.
 
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BeecherVol said:
He might as well ride with what he has at this point. His chance of pulling top coaching talent on a make or break year is slim to none.
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Money and 2 year contracts for assistants goes along way in recruiting talent.
 
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SmokeyLives said:
This Seth dude is a joke. The guy is smug and plays every angle of the issue. Saying it could be nothing at all or it could be a big problem. Well duh, that's as much as any of us know! Seriously, these guys sound like clowns......"well it needs to be talked about", laughable. What needs to be talked about Swain? Even you don't know. It's freaking drama queen central.
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Yeah! How dare someone try to look at an issue from multiple perspectives, consider several possibilities, ask provocative questions, and not come to a conclusion whilst not having all the facts!


This guy sounds like some sort of commie or sumthin'.
 
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EZE said:
Speculate much?
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What's speculation? All I'm saying is that if there was some pushing and shoving (which seems to be the case at the very least), an honest response would be a superior response to "absolutely ridiculous" followed by a hollow stare and an awkward silence.

That's not speculation. That's observation.
 
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EZE said:
I don't know who or why, but the timing is impeccable. Said former coach has been known to pull the strings over there before, so why not?

However, I don't think this affects Hart that much. If a coach goes rogue and does something like this, I don't know how you can pin that on the AD. JMO, though.
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I tend to agree but if Hart continues to make bad hires (Tyndal,Jones)it could lead to him not being a good AD. I love the Barnes hire,jury is still out on Serrano but he was a successfully HC before coming here then Warlick we know was pretty much Pat's call. If Butch doesn't work out then Hart absolutely has to make a good hire or I think he will be gone. But we still have CBJ so that's irrelevant right now.
 
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hog88 said:
If CBJ is removed for cause Hart has to go. He cannot survive his to highest profile hires being fired for cause.
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I disagree. .

If Hart fires CBJ for cause as he did Tyndall it says it does not matter how high a profile coach is, those type actions will not be tolerated in his AD.

We disagree but I think fast action by Hart can save Harts job and boost his stature. If he lets this drag out then yes he needs to go.
 
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EZE said:
I'm not sure about that, but you could be right. I could see it being better for Hart to fire him for cause than for failure to win enough. Would also reduce the buyout.
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No way Hart survives a fired for cause. His only real options are to have Butch succeed or have a home run hire in his back pocket.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Yeah! How dare someone try to look at an issue from multiple perspectives, consider several possibilities, ask provocative questions, and not come to a conclusion whilst not having all the facts!


This guy sounds like some sort of commie or sumthin'.
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Okay, let's put it like this. What if a radio personality in your town went on the air and started speculating whether Darth Shiveman was having an affair. Wouldn't say whether it was true or wasn't, and stated that it could be nothing. But also that it might be something. With no sufficient evidence to even start the discussion.

Still okay with it?
 
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Is throwing a punch a "Physical altercation" or is a "physical altercation" grabbing a kid by the jersey or facemask and getting in his face or is it something in between? One is a big deal and one is no big deal when it comes to a football.

Not tolling, stirring the pot or whatever. Just trying to discern what "physical altercation" really means. With the (lack of) context we have now, "physical altercation" really means nothing.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
What's speculation? All I'm saying is that if there was some pushing and shoving (which seems to be the case at the very least), an honest response would be a superior response to "absolutely ridiculous" followed by a hollow stare and an awkward silence.

That's not speculation. That's observation.
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When you include the word "if," you are speculating. None of us know if there is any truth to this whatsoever.
 
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