Could The Same Have Been Said About Fulmer and Tennessee?

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BigOrange15 said:
That is if we didn't get the NCAA Judgment Hammer brought down on us before we could get back.
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Considering nobody on the current staff is panicking over the inquiry, I'd say there wasn't much in the way of violations except worthless secondaries, which every program gets.
 
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#127
SGMVols said:
I'd rather lose the bet than have UGA fire Richt and hire a real coach.
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I definitely dont want Richt fired. He may be the only coach in the country that lands elite Top 5 type talent consistently year after year that you will always have a good chance of beating on the field.
 
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#128
billbattle said:
I would really like to know the truth about just how much money we were willing to put out there in trying to attract a high profile coach. I heard bits and pieces, rumors and mostly hearsay, but was never convinced about the validity. Was our top budget $3million, $5 million or what? I hope Hammy put it all out there and didn't try to attract the top picks on the cheap. Or was he pretty much hamstrung on the money side and had to do a search on the cheap?
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if you're going to spend million$ to refurbish the stadium/facilities and $6 million to buy out Fulmer, you'd better be ready to spend whatever it takes to get the best coach possible ...
 
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milohimself said:
It's true... Not sure, either, about the money being offered but I didn't hear one single credible name being thrown around either after Fulmer or after Kiffin.

In fact, at the time, I thought Kiffin, due to his staff, was a slam-dunk hire for Hamilton given the situation. That's obviously without knowing what we know now.
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I don't remember all of the names that were out there then .. who would you say that we missed out on by not offering enough money .......
 
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#131
BigPapaVol said:
Even then, we had our pick post Fulmer. Hambone's shenanigans killed us.
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fyp.

It was stupid to hire what could rightly be considered an interim coach and a Coordinator. My money was on Kiff staying 2 years - and he beat my low expectations in grand style. Given Fulmer's recruits are contributing from 2009, and Dooley's from 2010, this mythical "he will save recruiting!" is shown for the farce it is.

And for me the "Daddy Clause" says it all. With Pearl feeling the heat now, Hambone has zero credibility or accomplishments in his current role. He has to be let go lest the ship continue listing.
 
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utgibbs said:
fyp.

It was stupid to hire what could rightly be considered an interim coach and a Coordinator. My money was on Kiff staying 2 years - and he beat my low expectations in grand style. Given Fulmer's recruits are contributing from 2009, and Dooley's from 2010, this mythical "he will save recruiting!" is shown for the farce it is.

And for me the "Daddy Clause" says it all. With Pearl feeling the heat now, Hambone has zero credibility or accomplishments in his current role. He has to be let go lest the ship continue listing.
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We've gone back and looked at your posts. Make up some more stuff.
 
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#133
utgibbs said:
fyp.

It was stupid to hire what could rightly be considered an interim coach and a Coordinator. My money was on Kiff staying 2 years - and he beat my low expectations in grand style. Given Fulmer's recruits are contributing from 2009, and Dooley's from 2010, this mythical "he will save recruiting!" is shown for the farce it is.

And for me the "Daddy Clause" says it all. With Pearl feeling the heat now, Hambone has zero credibility or accomplishments in his current role. He has to be let go lest the ship continue listing.
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You must have been saying that on one of the Boards that banned you because you never said it over here.
 
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#134
VolDad said:
You must have been saying that on one of the Boards that banned you because you never said it over here.
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I've always maintained Kiff would be here no longer than three years. Personally, I didn't think it would be more than two as I've said, but I tried to be more positive when he was our coach.

Y'all pick the weirdest stuff to go off on me about. Oh, right, because you're taking another behind the woodshed in the other thread. Thought you would come in here and look brave.....
 
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#135
utgibbs said:
I've always maintained Kiff would be here no longer than three years. Personally, I didn't think it would be more than two as I've said, but I tried to be more positive when he was our coach.

Y'all pick the weirdest stuff to go off on me about. Oh, right, because you're taking another behind the woodshed in the other thread. Thought you would come in here and look brave.....
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I would not call us pointing out the deficiencies of the mentally challenged (you) brave. Whatever floats your boat.
 
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#136
VolinDawgland said:
There is nothing to be said for stability if the particular stability you are praising has two losing seasons in four years and keeps falling behind the top of the SEC then I'm again'it.
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All programs go through down years this one is no exception.

I'm just saying Kiffin wasn't the answer and I would have kept Fulmer over Kiffin in retrospect. Kiffin was anything but "stable." I didn't like the direction Fulmer was taking the team either, but two years late our situation has not exactly got much better. What we have now is exactly the team we would have had if Fulmer stayed maybe slighty better considering he would have more depth. I like Dooley a lot and I think he in the long run will be good for this team. But my point was that maybe we got a little too excited when we fired Fulmer and hired Kiffin.
 
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billbattle said:
I would really like to know the truth about just how much money we were willing to put out there in trying to attract a high profile coach. I heard bits and pieces, rumors and mostly hearsay, but was never convinced about the validity. Was our top budget $3million, $5 million or what? I hope Hammy put it all out there and didn't try to attract the top picks on the cheap. Or was he pretty much hamstrung on the money side and had to do a search on the cheap?
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very good question.

we went on the cheap when we hired CPF.

on the cheap for chavis.

on the cheap for sanders.

don't know if it relates to the present but definitely a pattern.
 
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#139
What they need to do is hire Mike Shula , i do have a feeling he would like a shot at Bama , after all Nick did get a good football team when he got the bama job . Like the one he got when he went to LSU . Nick will be looking for another place to land with in two years . The Vols will beat LSU today 48 to 12 , LSU will get 4 field goals
 
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VolDad said:
Surely they are tearing it up wherever they went. Who are you referring to?
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Tearing it up or not we wouldn't be down 20 scholarship players. We might still be mediocre, but not SEC cellar dwellers. IMO
 
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calban said:
Tearing it up or not we wouldn't be down 20 scholarship players. We might still be mediocre, but not SEC cellar dwellers. IMO
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There is a handful still playing:
Boyd - second string at Clemson
Creer - LA Tech
Paige - LA Tech
Langly - TX Tech
Coleman - UTC

The rest have washed out. Do you think that is enough to fill our depth shortcomings?
 
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Sports Crusie said:
What they need to do is hire Mike Shula , i do have a feeling he would like a shot at Bama , after all Nick did get a good football team when he got the bama job . Like the one he got when he went to LSU . Nick will be looking for another place to land with in two years . The Vols will beat LSU today 48 to 12 , LSU will get 4 field goals
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I'm holding out hope you're just kidding around. :unsure:
 
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VolDad said:
There is a handful still playing:
Boyd - second string at Clemson
Creer - LA Tech
Paige - LA Tech
Langly - TX Tech
Coleman - UTC

The rest have washed out. Do you think that is enough to fill our depth shortcomings?
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You're the MAN.
 
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#146
RECON said:
Still holding on to that National Laughingstock huh? Let me kick you some knowledge.

The best recruiters recruit to their depth chart. Phil is considered by those in the profession as the best recruiting head coach of all time. Lil Layne recruits to get the best ranking by a bunch of internet nobodies. See, the smaller guys (WR, RB and even DEs) get the highest stars. Recruit more of them and get the most stars and get the higher rankings. Lil Layne left this program with a bunch of high stared small guys (many are not here anymore). That is not a successful formula. Ask Ole Miss how that worked for Ogre.

Tenn has had more kids drafted of any SEC school over the last 20 years. That is no accident. Lil Layne will be out of coaching before he is 40.
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lot of little girls around here loved pulling the lane train :)
 
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#147
justingroves said:
That's a lie.

Eric Gordon, Marsalis Teague and Janzen Jackson wouldn't be here.
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I was kind of meaning overall talent, maybe I should of said "exactly the same type of team." I wasn't focusing on individual players because 3 guys don't make up an entire football team...I think talent wise we would be about the same. By the way you can't lie when its an opinion.
 
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VolDad said:
There is a handful still playing:
Boyd - second string at Clemson
Creer - LA Tech
Paige - LA Tech
Langly - TX Tech
Coleman - UTC

The rest have washed out. Do you think that is enough to fill our depth shortcomings?
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Some have to sit out this year.

Regardless, those you just mentioned would make the Vols 3 - 1 at worst right now.

Eric Gordon would be here too.
 
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#149
UT IE 95 said:
Honestly, I feel like if CLK had stayed the Vols would be 2-2 right now with a loud mouthed dullard head coach.
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I think if CLK and the guys he was bringing in were still here we would have man-handled LSU. Oregon and Florida would have still beaten us but LSU is a different story.
 
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utgibbs said:
Some have to sit out this year.

Regardless, those you just mentioned would make the Vols 3 - 1 at worst right now.

Eric Gordon would be here too.
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Not one of them can protect a QB. Your comment is ignorant.
 
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