Could apathy return if...

#26
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IknoxvolsI said:
If we have another 7/8 win season could the apathy that began to creep in 14 seasons ago come back? That culminated five years later with the '08 season.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...lmers-job-at-tennessee-beyond-saving.amp.html

However, during the lucky '07 season things were looking better. That Tennessee football was turning the corner. That apathy had subsided. But, was that only an outter covering of apathy and other major problems.

https://monkeyfire.com/mpol/dir_zine/dir_2004/1403/t_sports.html

So, VN experts and trolls alike, if we have a subpar season similar to last years, will you find something else to do on Saturdays besides traveling to Knoxville?
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In a way, apathy has already set in. Not toward the football program, but toward the threads you start. After reading the above, (for reasons unknown) this randomly came to mind. I wonder why?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2fNf7Lds0c
 
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solivols said:
I'm not a daily poster but more of a lurker. I will say I was glued to Volnation, and any and all Vol news the past two offseasons in anticipation for what was thought by most to be east championships at the least. The offseason felt like a few years. This year, not so much. Much more passive with staying up to date on the week to week stuff. The season will get here when it gets here. Expectations, for me at least, have been tempered.
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Be prepared to be told to go cheer for Bama, UF, or Vandy. :)
 
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I don't know what you are talking about man. I myself suffer major depression,PTSD,and anxiety and am permanently disabled. I have been to 1 Vol game my entire life because of my poverty situation. Tennessee Volunteer football is something I live for. I've cried when we lost,became manic for days when we won. I want to see us undefended every season and wish Manning would coach us. I will watch and live and breathe UT football whether we win another game or not. If we lost every game 70-0 the rest of my life,I would still proudly wear Big Orange. Apathy towards Tennessee football? My entire family,God rest their souls lived for Tennessee football as well. We discussed and looked forward to the season 365 days per year. Usually one of the first topics that came up between us even after months or years of separation was UT football. Since my family is deceased,there is nothing more important to me on Earth than UT football. My fondest memories of my family involve the great victories we had. I am now homeless on the streets of Louisville KY and I am alone with nobody to talk to,but I am still thinking about Tennessee football every hour of every day and I am on Collation every day. The few folks who know me here call me Tennessee and I am proud of it. I am certain of few things in life and one of them is my love and devotion to Tennessee Volunteer football will never change. I am sorry for anyone who has apathy for UT football. Go Vols!
 
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Can this whole "fan apathy" thing hurry up because I really want to go to the Ga Tech game but tickets are stupid expensive.
 
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Catbone said:
Depends on if butch is fired and who the new hire is. But butch won't be fired unless we go 6-6
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I don't think 6-6 will get him fired. We are stuck with him through 2018 unless we are 5-7 or less which won't happen. A Bowl game gets him another year, Unless Gruden is on the table! Buy out is way too much!!!
 
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Boca Vol said:
Be prepared to be told to go cheer for Bama, UF, or Vandy. :)
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Lowering expectations a bit based on the players lost to the NFL and what previous history under CBJ has shown seems like a pretty sane approach. I bought into all of the previous hype hook, line, sinker, and pole and that just left me pretty disappointed in the end.

I'm all for underpromising and over delivering this season, if possible. At the office, you wouldn't make your annual performance objectives something that is technically possible, but you'd need several bounces your way just to meet it by the end of the year. You'd make them reasonable, and know beforehand that you will overachieve and look good in the end. I'd be satisfied with 8 regular season wins this year, 8+ and I am very impressed.
 
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solivols said:
Lowering expectations a bit based on the players lost to the NFL and what previous history under CBJ has shown seems like a pretty sane approach. I bought into all of the previous hype hook, line, sinker, and pole and that just left me pretty disappointed in the end.

I'm all for underpromising and over delivering this season, if possible. At the office, you wouldn't make your annual performance objectives something that is technically possible, but you'd need several bounces your way just to meet it by the end of the year. You'd make them reasonable, and know beforehand that you will overachieve and look good in the end. I'd be satisfied with 8 regular season wins this year, 8+ and I am very impressed.
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Very valid points and I generally agree. However sane your post may seem it will be judged differently (by the same posters mind you) as the season draws near.

Here's how it works around here. A prediction of 8-4 will be a good season to most fans. However, as the season gets closer, especially in August, your 8-4 prediction will get you labled a negavol.

Just go with the flow.
 
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If Butch wins only 7 or 8 games this season, in my opinion, the seat will be red hot. He could potentially be replaced with that few wins.

This team may not win the SEC, but the East is STILL basically very weak and up for grabs. If the Vols aren't SEC East Champs or just a game out of winning the East, it may be time to make the change.

This team should be very talented and deeper on defense now that everyone is healthy for the most part.

The 2 QB options are decent ones at a minimum. Even if they become "game managers".

Anything less than a 9 or 10 win regular season is unacceptable at this rate..........
 
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IknoxvolsI said:
If we have another 7/8 win season could the apathy that began to creep in 14 seasons ago come back? That culminated five years later with the '08 season.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...lmers-job-at-tennessee-beyond-saving.amp.html

However, during the lucky '07 season things were looking better. That Tennessee football was turning the corner. That apathy had subsided. But, was that only an outter covering of apathy and other major problems.

https://monkeyfire.com/mpol/dir_zine/dir_2004/1403/t_sports.html

So, VN experts and trolls alike, if we have a subpar season similar to last years, will you find something else to do on Saturdays besides traveling to Knoxville?
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Oh God how I hate the off season and people who start threads just because they can...
 
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johnrlansford said:
I don't think 6-6 will get him fired. We are stuck with him through 2018 unless we are 5-7 or less which won't happen. A Bowl game gets him another year, Unless Gruden is on the table! Buy out is way too much!!!
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Gruden will never come here. You people amaze me....
 
#43
#43
Apathetic now in preseason? NO

Will I be beating my chest and talking s**t to rivals fans and friends preseason? NO

Do I feel ho-hum, wait and see? YES
 
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ajvol01 said:
14 years ago = 2003. Apathy started in '03?

News to me.
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He's actually right on the money imo...go rewatch the Peach Bowl against Clemson that year if you want to pinpoint when it started....We were a 10-2 team ranked in the top ten and were disappointed we were back in the same bowl as the year before, and played like it...again. 0-2 to Maryland and Clemson really hurt us, and many of Clausen's detractors point to him having a bad attitude and those 2002-2003 teams as being the starting point of Fulmers decline...I don't think it was all on the iceman, there were a few bad character guys on those teams nobody talks about, as well as a lot of jokesters...but yeah, that is when I saw the bad attitudes and apathy show up in games consistently for the first time.
 
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csheaton said:
He's actually right on the money imo...go rewatch the Peach Bowl against Clemson that year if you want to pinpoint when it started....We were a 10-2 team ranked in the top ten and were disappointed we were back in the same bowl as the year before, and played like it...again. 0-2 to Maryland and Clemson really hurt us, and many of Clausen's detractors point to him having a bad attitude and those 2002-2003 teams as being the starting point of Fulmers decline...I don't think it was all on the iceman, there were a few bad character guys on those teams nobody talks about, as well as a lot of jokesters...but yeah, that is when I saw the bad attitudes and apathy show up in games consistently for the first time.
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They were many players who "went through the motions" in both of those bowl games; poor angles, little hustle, stupid penalties, etc.. Both Tennessee teams seemed ill-prepared. I was embarrassed, as a Vol fan, by our team's performances against two lesser talented teams in those two bowls. '02-'03 signified the end of the maturation process of the Phil Fulmer era.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Where, and when did I say I don't support the TEAM? That never changes. I said I will be spending my $$ and time elsewhere until I see something different from this staff.

This is a circular argument that never ends, so there is no need to argue it. Some of us will never agree on Butch, and our different views of program expectations. That doesn't make us less or more of a fan, just people with different opinions.
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Don't punish yourself by spending your money and time elsewhere. Withhold your money from pilot gas stations, isn't that where the decisions are coming from.

Go to games and buy your Vol gear, just buy your gas and coffee from elsewhere.

I've got no problem with avoiding pilot, I won't avoid the games, I'll go as often as I can, come rain or shine.

Go Vols!
 
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vtvol98 said:
They were many players who "went through the motions" in both of those bowl games; poor angles, little hustle, stupid penalties, etc.. Both Tennessee teams seemed ill-prepared. I was embarrassed, as a Vol fan, by our team's performances against two lesser talented teams in those two bowls. '02-'03 signified the end of the maturation process of the Phil Fulmer era.
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For me, it was one of the Florida games (don't remeber which exact season) in which there was a series in which Clausen fumbled three of the four snaps during a heavy downpour and "failure clap Fulmer" just let it slide. It was a clear sign to me that the expectation of excellence was no longer central to the program.
 
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vtvol98 said:
They were many players who "went through the motions" in both of those bowl games; poor angles, little hustle, stupid penalties, etc.. Both Tennessee teams seemed ill-prepared. I was embarrassed, as a Vol fan, by our team's performances against two lesser talented teams in those two bowls. '02-'03 signified the end of the maturation process of the Phil Fulmer era.
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Agreed. Clausen wasn't the only one, and probably one of the lesser ones. He gets a bad wrap sometimes, but there were definitely a few personalities recruited by Fulmer that never should have been, and thus became out Clausens and His control. You could see the frustration in their face more than anyone during those games
 
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