Cornbread and Fulmer

[ETNCvol]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

I really find it hard to believe Donde gave him the big sendoff at the presser AFTER the investigation that led to the firing of all the staff members and risk a coverup problem with the NCAA as they snooped around. Had to be pretty convincing.

 

[Scot Harvath]

I really find it hard to believe Donde gave him the big sendoff at the presser AFTER the investigation that led to the firing of all the staff members and risk a coverup problem with the NCAA as they snooped around. Had to be pretty convincing.

I would imagine Donde actually wanted to kick him in the nuts for putting her in that position instead of letting him leave quietly. She probably saw herself as an outsider having to go against a good ole boys group that could have resulted in losing her job and personal harassment from fans who might not understand the reality of it all. She absolutely did the right thing and may not have had iron clad proof he knew, although she didn’t let him remain AD so that tells you something right there. Thankfully we are where we are with a great AD and coaches.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

1. Fulmer wasn't clueless but if you fired Fulmer for cause, you would be admitting a lack of institutional control. Contractually, you had every right to fire Fulmer for cause but they chose to give him a send-off and pay him some $$$ so he'd cooperate and make Pruitt the fall guy. The plan worked....

2. No chance in hell the NCAA investigates Georgia or Bama..

3. Pruitt had a well known toxic personality and was unsuitable to be a head coach at this level. Everyone knew that....except for Fulmer. He's fine as a DC with a strong HC to keep him in check (i.e. Saban)

 

[Clad in Big Orange]

I get more and more angry and confused that Fulmer could have made such a poor character choice in JP. Doesn't make sense other than he was totally convinced that hiring a Saban assistant was the gold standard AND it weakened Alabama at the same time. Lazy and gutless hire. He probably thought it was the "safest" play. Boy was he dead wrong.

 

[volmandu]

1. Fulmer wasn't clueless but if you fired Fulmer for cause, you would be admitting a lack of institutional control. Contractually, you had every right to fire Fulmer for cause but they chose to give him a send-off and pay him some $$$ so he'd cooperate and make Pruitt the fall guy. The plan worked....

2. No chance in hell the NCAA investigates Georgia or Bama..

3. Pruitt had a well known toxic personality and was unsuitable to be a head coach at this level. Everyone knew that....except for Fulmer. He's fine as a DC with a strong HC to keep him in check (i.e. Saban)

This really nails it in the head on every bullet. Just to expand on the third, we fell into the trap of 'He is toxic guy who worked for another toxic guy Saban, so he must be Saban 2.0 ' .. i think

 

[Savannahbayvol]

This really nails it in the head on every bullet. Just to expand on the third, we fell into the trap of 'He is toxic guy who worked for another toxic guy Saban, so he must be Saban 2.0 ' .. i think

Yep and I would also add the old LBJ saying when asked about hiring a guy.

"I would rather have him inside the tent pissing out than outside pisssing in."

 

[Savannahbayvol]

I get more and more angry and confused that Fulmer could have made such a poor character choice in JP. Doesn't make sense other than he was totally convinced that hiring a Saban assistant was the gold standard AND it weakened Alabama at the same time. Lazy and gutless hire. He probably thought it was the "safest" play. Boy was he dead wrong.

Check out Fulmers Coaching Tree and you won't be so confused.

 

[LWSVOL]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless? No way the NCAA would let Tennessee cover up the fact Fulmer knew anything about it. and it would have been a cover up from Boyd on down if HE KNEW ANYTHING. He was not fired, that statement is not correct.

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen? This will never happen. Not how NCAA ever operated and now with the changing dynamics, won't be looked into.

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction? No. NCAA sanctions go all the way down to ever NCAA level.

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this? I don't compare coaches to others based on a 2 year experience. Time will tell his level of success.

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[USCGVOL]

Its like we forget that CPF was a coach here not so long ago. You are lying to yourself if you don't think he had is own way of paying players. He knew but probably just treated Cornbread like an adult and let him do his own job and hoped he did it well. Cornbread turned out to be more reckless than other coaches. I don't think it has anything to do with CPF. Everyone paid players then. You just had to be good at not getting caught.

 

[miket4god]

Check out Fulmers Coaching Tree and you won't be so confused.

Yup. Never understood why people are so surprised that Fulmer blew that hire.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

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A negotiated resignation with a buyout = fired. You can get into semantics all you want but Fulmer was never surviving this.

Fulmer may not have had a smoking gun proof but no way he was that ignorant. Fulmer knows better than anybody the tricks Bama used to cheat. Fulmer knew Rush Probst, Pruitt's mentor, was slimy as hell. And the cheating happened over 200 times on his watch. No way he didn't have strong suspicions or hearsay, at a minimum....

 

[Butch s]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

Ol’ Johnny 116-61 no national ring
CFP 152-52 w/ national ring. Maybe just maybe he’s the best since Phillip Fulmer. As hard as that is for some to understand or appreciate

 

[BigOrangeSky]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

 

[BigOrangeSky]

You nailed part of number 1. They ALL knew.
I think number 3. is true as well. He was way in over his head.

Lane Kiffin through Peter Carroll killed us. That's it. But, it took Kiffin getting
fired a couple times and having to eat the Nickola Sabanov attitude before he
is where he is now. The dude took down a wall sized Poole poster and put up
Reggie Bush in a UT ROOM. C'mon.

 

[Jxn Vol]

The investigator the NCAA sending to Alabama.

 

[LWSVOL]

A negotiated resignation with a buyout = fired. You can get into semantics all you want but Fulmer was never surviving this.

Fulmer may not have had a smoking gun proof but no way he was that ignorant. Fulmer knows better than anybody the tricks Bama used to cheat. Fulmer knew Rush Probst, Pruitt's mentor, was slimy as hell. And the cheating happened over 200 times on his watch. No way he didn't have strong suspicions or hearsay, at a minimum....

he was only staying in job 2 more years had Pruitt done nothing wrong. He was on the page with Plowman and Boyd to go ahead and let a new AD hire the next coach.

It is very foolish to think the NCAA investigators who were on site during the UT investigation, were complicit in covering up for Fulmer. The NCAA would have hammered UT had they found any inkling of him knowing anything or even suspecting anything. The details that were discovered, there is zero chance they miss anything on Fulmer.

But many will always believe he knew something.

 

[OrangeAllDay]

Ol’ Johnny 116-61 no national ring
CFP 152-52 w/ national ring. Maybe just maybe he’s the best since Phillip Fulmer. As hard as that is for some to understand or appreciate

Or it’s hard for some to understand that Phil walked into a well oiled machine and Johnny walked into a dumpster fire. After the coaches who Johnny hired left what did Phil do? After Cutcliffe left what did Phil do? If Johnny doesn’t get stabbed in the back by Phil and the administration whose to say he wouldn’t have won his second NC and his first at Tennessee? Phil is over ratted. He coached at a time where Clemson sucked, Georgia was average, bama sucked, most teams in our 6 hour recruiting bubble were down. His only competition was Florida and he could barley beat them. He’s was an average coach who was at the right place at the right time

 

[UTFranklinVol]

The Pruitt hire was caused by the exact same issue as the Dooley hire. Tennessee was embroiled in a scandal and became a national embarrassment and someone tried to "fix it fast". I've said it so many times, if you don't have a solid plan for hiring your next coach in place at all times, this is what will happen.

 

[onevol74]

he was only staying in job 2 more years had Pruitt done nothing wrong. He was on the page with Plowman and Boyd to go ahead and let a new AD hire the next coach.

It is very foolish to think the NCAA investigators who were on site during the UT investigation, were complicit in covering up for Fulmer. The NCAA would have hammered UT had they found any inkling of him knowing anything or even suspecting anything. The details that were discovered, there is zero chance they miss anything on Fulmer.

But many will always believe he knew something.

Thanks for verifying Fulmer's incompetence. As involved with the football program as he was, to the point that he had to be sanctioned to stay off the field, you saying that he had no knowledge makes him look out of step as an AD. Did he not keep up with compliance? That department was aware and reported it to administration. His email stating he thought things could be fixed when you have over 200 violations and so many Level 1 violations is pretty alarming in my opinion.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

Regarding point number 2, I doubt it. If the NCAA hasn’t investigated it yet, when everyone KNOWS how they operate, why would they suddenly decide to now? Those prograde cash cows and the NCAA knows not to touch them. Plus Saban and Kirby probably have enough dirt on NCAA bigwigs to bring them down in response. It‘s the sports equivalent of Mutually Assured Destruction

 

[LWSVOL]

Thanks for verifying Fulmer's incompetence. As involved with the football program as he was, to the point that he had to be sanctioned to stay off the field, you saying that he had no knowledge makes him look out of step as an AD. Did he not keep up with compliance? That department was aware and reported it to administration. His email stating he thought things could be fixed when you have over 200 violations and so many Level 1 violations is pretty alarming in my opinion.

Compliance was not aware. That statement not correct. A staffer in the football office is the one that discovered and reported it. Had compliance been doing their job it would have been discovered much earlier.

As I said people will have different opinions.

 

[Jax_Vol]

A negotiated resignation with a buyout = fired. You can get into semantics all you want but Fulmer was never surviving this.

Fulmer may not have had a smoking gun proof but no way he was that ignorant. Fulmer knows better than anybody the tricks Bama used to cheat. Fulmer knew Rush Probst, Pruitt's mentor, was slimy as hell. And the cheating happened over 200 times on his watch. No way he didn't have strong suspicions or hearsay, at a minimum....

I agree with this point of view. Fulmer either knew, or should have known.

Either way, he should have been terminated without yet another round of after-job paychecks arriving for many years.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

Admitting to any knowledge would be program suicide. He spent over two decades in the SEC. He's not an idiot.

 

[Tman44]

Several questions:
1.) I read the article today about the number of people that knew what was going on , somewhere in the neighborhood of probably close to 300 people. I like Coach Fulmer and wish he had never been fired as a coach, but I really cannot believe he was not aware. He was rightfully fired as AD, but should have never been paid his exit fee. How many believe Fulmer really was clueless?

2.) I predict that Pruitt’s behavior will lead to GA & ALA being investigated by NCAA, Where else would Pruitt have learned such recruiting tactics? Fulmer probably hired him for that reason because he “knew how to hide it” like ALA & GA. Anybody else think this could happen?

3.) Pruitt is probably a good coach but was in way over his head. He was probably under a lot of pressure to produce and we all know and see that it begins with top recruiting. Talk about a humbling experience, kind of feel sorry for his wife and kids . His future looks a little bleak as far as being a collegiate coach either assistant or head coach. Could he be hired in D2 or D3 collegiate schools and avoid the 6 year sanction?

4. ) I know this, Heupel is by far the best coach we’ve had here since ol’ Johnny was here. He just needs to find him a better overall defense. I think that will happen as we get better recruits . After that, we should be consistently playing for SEC championships and hopefully a few NC! Who else believes this?

1. The evidence put forth from the investigation shows that “someone” had known enough to send people to spy on recruits and coaches. Fulmer had to know something ; however, Pruitt and co were doing everything they could to hide what they were doing. Did Phil truly find everything? I doubt it.
2. I doubt anything else will happen. The NCAA needs to keep a great relationship with SEC members. Doing something now to UGA or Bama due to Pruitt will just make the NCAA look more incompetent.
3. An anonymous SEC head coach said this about Pruitt “He’s a great DC that has no business being a HC, but when someone offers you the money to coach an SEC team you take it.”
4. Agreed