Cordarrelle Patterson's Option

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BearCat204 said:
He was a terrible route runner at UT, he was just so athletic that he was able to overcome that. Talent level in the NFL is much more equal.
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100% correct!!! You see this type of stuff in youth sports. Young kid who matures earlier than his friends and is a stud athlete and is bigger and faster than everyone else. HS hits and stud athlete hasn't grown at all then friends pass him up since they had to work their butts off to get better and child athlete quits because he never developed a work ethic to learn his craft. Always relied on being bigger and faster
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Him not being able or wanting to read a defense is hard to get past, teach the man the route tree, have the QB signal the route for him to run each play.

You can't teach speed or ability, but he has more than enough of both.

Come on CP, get it together, Volnation is pulling for you no matter what NFL team you end up playing for.
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I think he lacks the mental ability to learn the routes, which is unfortunate. Nice guy with great physical ability, but no lights on upstairs.
 
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davethevol said:
I think he lacks the mental ability to learn the routes, which is unfortunate. Nice guy with great physical ability, but no lights on upstairs.
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He's lazy and unwilling to put in the time to learn. Coaches aren't babysitters in the pros like high school or college. He's lucky he's not playing with a demanding QB who would've kicked his ass already.
 
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TCbodybuilder said:
He's lazy and unwilling to put in the time to learn. Coaches aren't babysitters in the pros like high school or college. He's lucky he's not playing with a demanding QB who would've kicked his ass already.
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I don't know how anyone could be able to honestly say for sure they know that this is the case.
 
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wmcovol said:
Yeah, both Hunter and Patterson have been major busts in the NFL. Neither were ready for the league when they came it despite having sick physical skills....the guy shouldn't be allowed around a football field except to cut it.....

Bad for Patterson is the NFL has just about eliminated the kick return and may in fact do so in the near future. Just cant afford to pay a guy more than minimum if that is all he can do.
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Add Bray to that mix
 
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VOLinPD said:
The game has changed since Hester's prime. The NFL moved the kickoff up a few years back so that there would be more touchbacks and they are considering eliminating the kickoff altogether.
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NFL is going downhill anyway,now that Peyton Manning is retired -
 
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Man, did Dooley produce some NFL busts or what? Shows how poorly coached those men actually were. Dooleys entire team seemed to just go out and wing it by playing back yard football. Unbelievable that he was ever hired as a head coach.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Him not being able or wanting to read a defense is hard to get past, teach the man the route tree, have the QB signal the route for him to run each play.

You can't teach speed or ability, but he has more than enough of both.

Come on CP, get it together, Volnation is pulling for you no matter what NFL team you end up playing for.
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It doesn't work like that in the NFL. The OC calls a play that has multiple variables based on the how the defense responds before and after the snap. The QB can make his pre snap reads but the D will also try to hide what they are doing.
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For example a safety may be coming up to blitz. The QB and receiver read this know he has to get the ball out fast so the read is a dig route. Well the safety fakes the blitz and drops into coverage over the middle. The WR reads the safety and knows to cut up the field on a fade route. QB uses the extra time in the pocket and throws the fade for a big gain. Well if Patterson doesn't make the read, or reacts incorrectly to it, then the QB is throwing the ball to a spot on the field where no one is.
 
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govols74n said:
Man, did Dooley produce some NFL busts or what? Shows how poorly coached those men actually were. Dooleys entire team seemed to just go out and wing it by playing back yard football. Unbelievable that he was ever hired as a head coach.
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I guess you're forgetting the O-line where almost everyone went pro. But I guess 3 years under Dooley was fixed by one disappointing year under Butch and his offensive changes
 
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CP is the shiftiest football player I've ever witnessed. He may not be the best route runner, so you have to find a way to get the ball in his hands and let him do the rest. The play that CP was born for: WR SCREEN!!!
 
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Vols4us said:
So Patterson cannot run a decent bubble, a stop route, a go route, a sideline pattern, a crossing route? Strange, he did those routes at UT. Not buying it at all. It is more likely he does not block well. He needs to play for a team that is willing to design more of their offense for his athleticism, like Chaney was willing to do. Like some of the NFL teams that have no offense and score less than 20 points per game, while complaining they have no playmakers. Maybe some of them that have QB's making $10+ M a year that cannot hit a WR 20 yards downfield.
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Just because you are not buying it does not change what is displayed on the store shelves.

Sad truth is Patterson, while possibly the most gifted athlete in the NFL, has been shown plenty of routes, but runs them terribly. He can improvise like no other. And he could get by with that in HS. He could get by with it in JUCO. And he certainly got by with it for 1 year at Tennessee. It will not work in the NFL. Opposing DBs would set interception records against him.

Minnesota took a huge risk trading up to the first round for him. But he is now at the point where the Vikings will be obligated to pay him on a much higher scale going forward. And the salary cap makes keeping him a bad idea.

If Patterson cannot run a designed route the same way consistently, he is a liability. Sounds like you want him on a team that will let him draw up plays in the dirt all game long. That team exists only in the movies, TV, your imagination, or maybe under head coach Derek Dooley. It is not in the NFL.
 
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barnolde said:
I do not understand cutting him--he is worth being on the team as a returner alone
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Not even close for the money they would have to pay him. Also, as it has been said in this thread a few time, this isn't 2010 where a great kick returner was worth the money to keep on the roster. With the new rules as far as kickoff placement, just about every kick is a touchback which basically gets rid of the need for them to even have a guy back there.
 
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armchair said:
Patterson was completely raw and not good as a WR at UT, and it was obvious that it would take him at least two years--under the best of circumstances--to become a decent pro receiver. I had my doubts, and he's been a bust. He'll get a chance to make another roster but I doubt he will.....we'll see.

As for Hunter, he's a lot better receiver than CP and I thought he was on his way to getting established--just needed to get stronger, but haven't followed him or the titans for a couple of years. Doesn't sound like he's thriving either....
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I take it you might be a Titans fan. Or just a casual NFL fan. Let me point out something the fans of every other NFL team have come to a consensus on concerning the Titans.

The Titans front office is a train wreck, a plane crash, and the sinking of the Titanic all rolled into one. Bud Adams arrogance and/or senility led to him interfering with personnel moves, both players and coaches. He coddled that brat named Vince Young, and ran off the only coach that ever got him a trip to the Super Bowl over him. And that is just the most obvious sign of what happened. Now that he is gone, his heirs are continuing his legacy of mismanagement. Until some folks come along with enough money to buy that team, enough intuition to hire the right guys. and enough common horse sense to know how to get the hell outta the way, you guys best prepare for years of bad football.

Gotta hand it to their fans though; they are keeping up hope. Even if they are deluded, they are faithful. But they have to be. They know how much work and time went into getting a team in Nashville. They don't want to lose it, even if they get their hearts broken year in and year out.

It is not a place I celebrate drafting a Vol. When they took Hunter, I felt sorry for him. I want all our Vols to have a fighting chance to become hall of fame players. And until changes happen, a reasonable road to Canton does not lead through Nashville.

Not that I hate the Titans. That is just how I see it.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Not even close for the money they would have to pay him. Also, as it has been said in this thread a few time, this isn't 2010 where a great kick returner was worth the money to keep on the roster. With the new rules as far as kickoff placement, just about every kick is a touchback which basically gets rid of the need for them to even have a guy back there.
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If they eliminate kickoffs then the on sides kick goes away - along with any chance of a team trailing to get the ball back
 
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508mikey said:
If they eliminate kickoffs then the on sides kick goes away - along with any chance of a team trailing to get the ball back
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They have basically eliminated with kickoff without actually eliminating the kickoff. What does a kick returner have to do with an onsides kick?
 
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TNnative said:
I take it you might be a Titans fan. Or just a casual NFL fan. Let me point out something the fans of every other NFL team have come to a consensus on concerning the Titans.

The Titans front office is a train wreck, a plane crash, and the sinking of the Titanic all rolled into one. Bud Adams arrogance and/or senility led to him interfering with personnel moves, both players and coaches. He coddled that brat named Vince Young, and ran off the only coach that ever got him a trip to the Super Bowl over him. And that is just the most obvious sign of what happened. Now that he is gone, his heirs are continuing his legacy of mismanagement. Until some folks come along with enough money to buy that team, enough intuition to hire the right guys. and enough common horse sense to know how to get the hell outta the way, you guys best prepare for years of bad football.

Gotta hand it to their fans though; they are keeping up hope. Even if they are deluded, they are faithful. But they have to be. They know how much work and time went into getting a team in Nashville. They don't want to lose it, even if they get their hearts broken year in and year out.

It is not a place I celebrate drafting a Vol. When they took Hunter, I felt sorry for him. I want all our Vols to have a fighting chance to become hall of fame players. And until changes happen, a reasonable road to Canton does not lead through Nashville.

Not that I hate the Titans. That is just how I see it.
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If how you see it is that the Titans should have kept Fisher, I think most Titans fans will pretty much ignore the rest, haha. That guy was, and is, as thoroughly mediocre as it gets.
 
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508mikey said:
Add Bray to that mix
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508mikey said:
Not cut yet - Injury prone - will never see the field in the NFL but he got his money so he probably doesnt care
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I disagree on Bray. A lot of Tennessee fans don't like him, but he made the team as an undrafted free agent and has been climbing up the depth chart. Now that KC let Chase Daniel walk, Bray is competing with Aaron Murray for the #2 job behind Alex Smith. If he didn't care, he would have been out of the league two years ago.
 
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jkleno said:
Vikings are wise to cut loose CP. I hate it for him, but if he hasn't learned to run routes by now, I am afraid his NFL career is over. As a returner, he is electrifying. As a receiver, well not as much.
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NFl career far from over. if he never pans out as a reciever hell make rosters as a number 5 wr and returner
 
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BearCat204 said:
They have basically eliminated with kickoff without actually eliminating the kickoff. What does a kick returner have to do with an onsides kick?
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nothing - just that several posts are claiming the NFL wants to eliminate KOs altogether -- I hevent seen any talk about it except in this thread - have you ? Just wondering
 
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508mikey said:
nothing - just that several posts are claiming the NFL wants to eliminate KOs altogether -- I hevent seen any talk about it except in this thread - have you ? Just wondering
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I've heard the possibility of eliminating kickoffs mentioned elsewhere, but never really thought about what they would do with the onside kick. It's a good question. I'm sure they'd find a way to keep that type of kick or something similar though
 
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