Conspiracy theory?

[N.ohio vol]

I'm all for a good conspiracy.

 

[wmcovol]

Bru balls out, goes pro & gets drafted in first round…. I bet the ex drops the restraining order. Any takers?

 

[UTwick]

What a jabbering fraud.

And, you’re being kind.

 

[Hacksaw]

What a jabbering fraud.

...an assessment that could just as well be made about any number of more "reputable" mainstream "news" reporters and commentators.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

I'm all for a good conspiracy.

The real question is whether USC is trying to turn the friggin frogs gay.

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

...an assessment that could just as well be made about any number of more "reputable" mainstream "news" reporters and commentators.

How many mainstream reporters have harassed the parents of murdered 7 year olds? There’s a difference between having a bias and peddling pure crap like he has for years. Stop equating the two. It’s like saying you hate Kentucky as much as you hate Bama.

 

[Hacksaw]

How many mainstream reporters have harassed the parents of murdered 7 year olds? There’s a difference between having a bias and peddling pure crap like he has for years. Stop equating the two. It’s like saying you hate Kentucky as much as you hate Bama.

I'm not equating them. Most people, regardless of their political leanings, don't consider Jones to be a credible source for news.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

BRAVO!

Well, when it comes to the extensive favoritism and leeway given the wealthy and privileged, every state and city is commie infected. This event is just one of many such cases to illustrate the point.

 

[volkyries]

I think there’s this impression that a university’s title IX board can’t take action concerning a student incident if the local police /authorities decide there’s not enough evidence to prosecute for a crime. Title IX is a runaway train at some universities, especially some of those that are Woke. He said / she said case with no physical evidence doesn’t prevent them from taking action. Remember the swimmer from Stanford several years back who was kicked out of school for getting drunk and leaving the party with another drunk girl? No arrest, no criminal charges - everything was the Title IX board.

Are you talking about this swimmer who was charged and found guilty of sexually assaulting a drunk and unconcious girl behind a dumpster or was there another case you are referring to? If anything, his punishment was extremely lenient once he was convicted. According to wiki page, he withdrew from Stanford instead of facing disciplinary action on campus and then was banned from campus after his arrest.

ex-stanford-swimmer-released-after-serving-half-his-term

People v. Turner

 

[kcvols1]

...an assessment that could just as well be made about any number of more "reputable" mainstream "news" reporters and commentators.

I must have missed where any of them got hit with an eight figure libel verdict in their home court about one of the most heinous crimes of our generation.

 

[Sad_vol]

The real question is whether USC is trying to turn the friggin frogs gay.

Gonna go on a slight limb here and say if they could I think usc would turn the whole world gay.

 

[camp_steveo]

The real question is whether USC is trying to turn the friggin frogs gay.

AJ was pretty close on that. Its all amphibians, including fish, but it isn't that they are turning gay. The males are becoming feminized to the point where they actually produce eggs. Conspiracy theorist or not, AJ was the only media figure I have ever heard discussing this.

 

[camp_steveo]

Study: Male bass in many U.S. rivers feminized

 

[Vol in Buckeye Land]

Gonna go on a slight limb here and say if they could I think usc would turn the whole world gay.

You’re fallaciously assuming that because a vocal minority of social traditionalists would gladly make everyone else just like them that their LGBT+ counterparts are the same. They are not.

It’s some of the straight people who seem to have a problem with gay people existing, not the other way around.

 

[kcvols1]

I agree with this. Used to **** on California every chance I got, but I've been to San Diego and Santa Barbara the last 2 years and it's beautiful out there. Lots to do, great bars and restaurants. Even has a small Irish pub I frequent every time I'm in San Diego. Flying into LAX is a nightmare, but it's no worse than Hartsfield-Jackson in ATL

You should check out Palm Springs. Fly into Ontario or Palm Springs if you can. The golf is amazing, so is Joshua Tree & Indian Wells. Never saw a bona fide oasis before.

Drove from there up to Visalia, saw Sequoia & Kings Canyon, then over to Salinas.

Play as much Buck Owens as possible during the drive and read Tortilla Flat before you go.

 

[kcvols1]

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[Hacksaw]

I must have missed where any of them got hit with an eight figure libel verdict in their home court about one of the most heinous crimes of our generation.

I hate to sound like I'm defending Alex Jones, but if you get the right venue and the right jury, you can get whatever outcome you want. If you argue otherwise, then you're just not a serious student of history. And if you think the absurd monetary awards are going to stand, then I think you're kidding yourself.

Personally, I don't care about Alex Jones. But I think we've arrived at a weird point in history where an image posted on a cfb message board (as an obvious attempt at humor) encites such a serious reaction.

 

[EZE]

You’re fallaciously assuming that because a vocal minority of social traditionalists would gladly make everyone else just like them that their LGBT+ counterparts are the same. They are not.

It’s some of the straight people who seem to have a problem with gay people existing, not the other way around.

My experience is that most people really don’t care about others’ sex lives (unless interested in or actively having sex with a certain other person) and don’t want sexuality shoved in their faces. I’ve worked around a majority of straight people, but also numerous that were gay. There simply were no problems professionally or socially (and we did interact outside the office). And I would wager that is the case with over 90+% of the population.

Most of us live and let live…and just want to get along. The great majority of the alleged “problems” by straight people are manufactured for political purposes… just like other issues.

 

[kcvols1]

I hate to sound like I'm defending Alex Jones, but if you get the right venue and the right jury, you can get whatever outcome you want. If you argue otherwise, then you're just not a serious student of history. And if you think the absurd monetary awards are going to stand, then I think you're kidding yourself.

Personally, I don't care about Alex Jones. But I think we've arrived at a weird point in history where an image posted on a cfb message board (as an obvious attempt at humor) encites such a serious reaction.

@Hacksaw , I love you. We both have been posting here a long time, and you bleed orange just like me. I want you to know that I love you because I’m about to owe you a round of drinks. I have to get this off my chest to someone.

First off, check my post to like ratio and I think it’ll reflect I’m a pretty easy going dude.

Second, I think my commentary on a gif of this clown as a jabbering fraud was pretty funny, especially if you say it out loud like Ron White.

Third, apologies to @Freak for pushing this thread off a cliff into the Politics forum.

Fourth, I majored in History at the University of Tennessee, and while I drank more than my fair share of $1 beers at OCI, I managed to graduate with good grades and gain entry to a top tier law school.

Fifth, as a litigator of over 2000 matters, a member of the State Bar of Texas, and first chair in dozens of trials, I can tell you without hesitation that if someone “venue shopped” this case to Austin, the jabbering fraud’s home venue, then it’s the laziest bit of venue shopping ever. Sure, Travis is a blue county, but it’s where Jones and his companies are based.

Sixth, if you’re going to run down the jury system, I invite you to be more creative than regurgitating a glib talking point about forum shopping or jury selection. Often, you’re stuck with the forum and the jury you get, and it’s about knowing your audience and connecting with whoever they are to make your case. That’s just the nature of administering justice in a nation as large, as varied, and as free as ours.

Seventh, I agree that the jury award will likely get cut down considerably on appeal in Texas. There is another case pending against him in Connecticut, in which actual liability is not in question - nor could it reasonably be given the Travis County verdict on substantially similar facts. Whether these awards are cut to an amount Jones would actually pay, given his apparently fraudulent bankruptcies, isn’t even the most interesting points to me.

Eighth, the most interesting point to me is that Jones demonstrably and repeatedly lied to multiple courts in both jurisdictions - on a Federal and State level - and when confronted with those lies had the temerity to lie YET AGAIN to a judge’s ACTUAL FACE. To the very judge he appeared before in person for a week straight and, undoubtedly before whom he had appeared before that. That’s perjury. It’s a crime separate from either civil case.

Dude has made a career of shouting longer and louder than everybody else. That don’t make him a harbinger of truth unbowed in the face of the liberal media. It just makes him a blowhard busybody.

I’ve just been so discouraged at folks yelling for a living, shouting lies over and over to scare people into taking BS for the truth.

Both political sides endeavor to frighten people into action against their opponents. When are we going to remember there’s nothing to fear but fear itself?

Thanks @Hacksaw . Let me know your favorite beer. I owe you a sixer. I’ll be in Baton Rouge on 10/8.

 

[LadyVolette]

My experience is that most people really don’t care about others’ sex lives (unless interested in or actively having sex with a certain other person) and don’t want sexuality shoved in their faces. I’ve worked around a majority of straight people, but also numerous that were gay. There simply were no problems professionally or socially (and we did interact outside the office). And I would wager that is the case with over 90+% of the population.

Most of us live and let live…and just want to get along. The great majority of the alleged “problems” by straight people are manufactured for political purposes… just like other issues.

Come on football!

 

[LTVol]

No, not every city has a DA (George Gascon) that lets murderer's walk and fails to prosecute anything. That is the issue here. LA is currently a dumpster fire of it's own design. I just hate to hear Bru McCoy was involved in LA's style of criminal promoting non-justice. When you hear "Authorities did not press charges" it usually means something, unless of course it is said in LA, New York or a host of other wanna be commie cities today.

Right, because communist countries dont prosecute anybody! SMH

 

[Hacksaw]

@Hacksaw , I love you. We both have been posting here a long time, and you bleed orange just like me. I want you to know that I love you because I’m about to owe you a round of drinks. I have to get this off my chest to someone.

First off, check my post to like ratio and I think it’ll reflect I’m a pretty easy going dude.

Second, I think my commentary on a gif of this clown as a jabbering fraud was pretty funny, especially if you say it out loud like Ron White.

Third, apologies to @Freak for pushing this thread off a cliff into the Politics forum.

Fourth, I majored in History at the University of Tennessee, and while I drank more than my fair share of $1 beers at OCI, I managed to graduate with good grades and gain entry to a top tier law school.

Fifth, as a litigator of over 2000 matters, a member of the State Bar of Texas, and first chair in dozens of trials, I can tell you without hesitation that if someone “venue shopped” this case to Austin, the jabbering fraud’s home venue, then it’s the laziest bit of venue shopping ever. Sure, Travis is a blue county, but it’s where Jones and his companies are based.

Sixth, if you’re going to run down the jury system, I invite you to be more creative than regurgitating a glib talking point about forum shopping or jury selection. Often, you’re stuck with the forum and the jury you get, and it’s about knowing your audience and connecting with whoever they are to make your case. That’s just the nature of administering justice in a nation as large, as varied, and as free as ours.

Seventh, I agree that the jury award will likely get cut down considerably on appeal in Texas. There is another case pending against him in Connecticut, in which actual liability is not in question - nor could it reasonably be given the Travis County verdict on substantially similar facts. Whether these awards are cut to an amount Jones would actually pay, given his apparently fraudulent bankruptcies, isn’t even the most interesting points to me.

Eighth, the most interesting point to me is that Jones demonstrably and repeatedly lied to multiple courts in both jurisdictions - on a Federal and State level - and when confronted with those lies had the temerity to lie YET AGAIN to a judge’s ACTUAL FACE. To the very judge he appeared before in person for a week straight and, undoubtedly before whom he had appeared before that. That’s perjury. It’s a crime separate from either civil case.

Dude has made a career of shouting longer and louder than everybody else. That don’t make him a harbinger of truth unbowed in the face of the liberal media. It just makes him a blowhard busybody.

I’ve just been so discouraged at folks yelling for a living, shouting lies over and over to scare people into taking BS for the truth.

Both political sides endeavor to frighten people into action against their opponents. When are we going to remember there’s nothing to fear but fear itself?

Thanks @Hacksaw . Let me know your favorite beer. I owe you a sixer. I’ll be in Baton Rouge on 10/8.

Not sure I want to go point-by-point, as I have no desire to follow you off the cliff (your point #3) -- if that is in fact what you've done. I don't generally take part in political discussions here, because: a.) it's not the reason I come here and b.) I find them to be utterly pointless for the most part. I do appreciate the thoughtful nature of your post and, more importantly, your civility. It seems to be a grossly devalued virtue these days. I have very good friends and family members who I love and respect who don't always agree with me and it will never effect how I feel about them as people. And all loyal Vol fans are part of my extended VFL family.

Having said all that, I guess my short answer is that we just disagree. I'll concede that you are almost certainly more familiar with the details of the Jones case than I am. I don't even know how many suits there have been, although I understand at least one was in Connecticut and the latest took place in Austin. What I do know is that Alex Jones is a buffoon. He is almost certainly guilty of some sort of defamation and should be obliged to compensate his victims. The media frenzy around these cases, however, the carousel of courtrooms and the ridiculous monetary awards all suggest some sort of behind-the-scenes, politically-motivated coordination.

And it makes sense. Jones is taken seriously by almost no one on either the left or the right. He's the Art Bell/George Noory of politics (if that reference isn't too obscure). He's low-hanging fruit, an easy target. I see this as just part of a larger effort by one side to stifle speech they don't like. They're not just out to punish him, their goal is to destroy him. He isn't the first one they've gone after and when they're done with him, they'll set their sights on another target. The idea is to use the courts (or "any means necessary," to use their own language) to defeat their opponents.

So there you have it, for what little it's worth. I'm afraid the simple act of staying informed on current events in recent years has changed me from a happy-go-lucky pragmatist into a boring, fatalistic cynic. I'm not sure any amount of beer will help.

 

[kcvols1]

Not sure I want to go point-by-point, as I have no desire to follow you off the cliff (your point #3) -- if that is in fact what you've done. I don't generally take part in political discussions here, because: a.) it's not the reason I come here and b.) I find them to be utterly pointless for the most part. I do appreciate the thoughtful nature of your post and, more importantly, your civility. It seems to be a grossly devalued virtue these days. I have very good friends and family members who I love and respect who don't always agree with me and it will never effect how I feel about them as people. And all loyal Vol fans are part of my extended VFL family.

Having said all that, I guess my short answer is that we just disagree. I'll concede that you are almost certainly more familiar with the details of the Jones case than I am. I don't even know how many suits there have been, although I understand at least one was in Connecticut and the latest took place in Austin. What I do know is that Alex Jones is a buffoon. He is almost certainly guilty of some sort of defamation and should be obliged to compensate his victims. The media frenzy around these cases, however, the carousel of courtrooms and the ridiculous monetary awards all suggest some sort of behind-the-scenes, politically-motivated coordination.

And it makes sense. Jones is taken seriously by almost no one on either the left or the right. He's the Art Bell/George Noory of politics (if that reference isn't too obscure). He's low-hanging fruit, an easy target. I see this as just part of a larger effort by one side to stifle speech they don't like. They're not just out to punish him, their goal is to destroy him. He isn't the first one they've gone after and when they're done with him, they'll set their sights on another target. The idea is to use the courts (or "any means necessary," to use their own language) to defeat their opponents.

So there you have it, for what little it's worth. I'm afraid the simple act of staying informed on current events in recent years has changed me from a happy-go-lucky pragmatist into a boring, fatalistic cynic. I'm not sure any amount of beer will help.

I agree there’s some where we disagree, but all in all this is pretty agreeable. Especially the part about alcohol not helping.

I think a lot of what we took as settled as kids and younger people wasn’t as settled as we liked to believe. It’s just on us to affect it positively and constructively moving forward.

Hope to see you in person soon.