Consider the fact that Auburn had to hire Brian Harsin

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HARTUPM said:
For the eighteenth thousandth time... NO ONE KNOWS HOW BAD THE NCAA PUNISHMENTS WILL BE! Or if they are even going to be that serious. Let's quit assuming it's going to be the freaking death penalty! Tennessee went through the exact steps they were supposed to do, and fired Pruitt and cleaned house! With that being said,

Auburn is a pretty equal job to Tennessee.
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Look at USC, Penn State, and Miami for instance. WAAYYYY worse scandals than ours. If USC and especially Penn State can recover from their scandals...I think we will be just fine. Doom and gloom though for those that don't look outside the box on this topic.
 
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JoAllan said:
Bryan Harsin was coach at Boise State........not “Coastal Carolina” and others.

Year by year at BSU:
12-2
9-4
10-3
11-3
10-3
12-2
5-2

Auburn picked up a heck of a coach.
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I will preface by saying that I believe Harsin to be a good coach.

That said, I think being at Boise State could easily be seen as much as a knock on Harsin as it is a positive. He took over a program that was rolling from a legend. They are in a comparable conference to Coastal, but unlike Coastal they easily have the best talent in their conference on a yearly basis. They also have a track record of winning. He kept the train on the tracks, though, and that is commendable.

Chadwell took over a terrible program in a competitive conference and exceeded expectations significantly. I think that would be a positive.
 
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BeardedVol said:
What "natural ties to the region" did Saban or Meyer have when they were hired at SEC schools?
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That's a totally fair point. They didn't have any at the time. They were just generational winners. Campbell could be that, as well.
 
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YankeeVol said:
Not what's being reported.
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We lost $ as an AD last year. We have fewer bigpocket boosters than AUB. We most recently finished 8th in the SEC in revenue; one spot behind UK and one spot in front of SC. And we've been paying buyouts for roughly the last 20 years.
 
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RhodesVol said:
I don't know. I guess it's possible, but I personally have questions about Campbell's ability to recruit in the South. He has no natural ties to the region, but I presume that he would be able to assemble a solid team.
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14 players from Fla
6 players from Tx
3 players from Ga
1 player from Miss.

not bad getting these players to go to Ames f'en Iowa
 
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RhodesVol said:
So, he starts at D2 North Greeneville and the team in three years goes from 2-8, to 9-3, to 11-3. Then he goes to Charleston Southern and turned a perennial loser into a two time conference champion. Total record there of 35-14. There he took a team one year removed from FCS and in three years improved them from 3-9 to 11-1.

He seems like a guy that White would hire, and I feel like he's the type of up and comer that could come here and succeed.

I see your point, but hiring the reigning coach of the year doesn't feel like settling given our present circumstances.
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Like I said it my opinion. FCS is different than FBS as far as talent in players and coaches. He may be but for me to be comfortable in the hire or be excited I would like for him to have another season or two at Coastal Carolina and them winning like they did. If he is the next hire then I hope his trend does continue.
 
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RhodesVol said:
I will preface by saying that I believe Harsin to be a good coach.

That said, I think being at Boise State could easily be seen as much as a knock on Harsin as it is a positive. He took over a program that was rolling from a legend. They are in a comparable conference to Coastal, but unlike Coastal they easily have the best talent in their conference on a yearly basis. They also have a track record of winning. He kept the train on the tracks, though, and that is commendable.

Chadwell took over a terrible program in a competitive conference and exceeded expectations significantly. I think that would be a positive.
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Wasn’t really trying to make a comparison to Chadwell.

Just that BSU isn’t “just” a lower tier program.

I will say if you coach somewhere 7 years or longer.......your success is on YOU.......and the players and coaches YOU have acquired.

He took over a good program......and kept it going. He has found good assistants, good players and developed both.......in order to keep BSU at a very high level.

Jamey Chadwell seems like a really good coach; however what he has done at “Coastal”.........is really 1 season.

His “building” looks amazing......right now. However we do not know what that sustained success will look like.

He has improved the places he has been (and that could be huge for Tennessee) but he has not stayed anywhere very long.

One could reasonably assume he could have sustained success.......but we don’t know.

All I was trying to say with my previous post.......I feel Auburn got a heck of a coach.
 
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screenthis said:
Far too 'The Sky is Falling'ish' for me. We're actually in worse position now than three hires ago because of those hires. The program has fallen further. Thus, getting a 'home run hire' will be close to impossible. With that said, I will continue to support Tn. Football and no, it's not going anywhere. Now, let's pull a Clemson and rise from the Ashes.
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While I hope you are correct, except about a home run hire coach, history just does not agree with you. For every Clemson there are many other programs who have failed to rise for long periods of time and most never recover (as examples Minnesota, SMU, etc.). I like you optimism; however, apathy has set in on this sixty year Vol fan and I will not support this program financially anymore unless I see positive results meaning we are at least competitive with the big boys of the SEC. UT, through major mistakes over the last fifteen plus years has no longer earned my support. We will see ...
 
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RhodesVol said:
I will preface by saying that I believe Harsin to be a good coach.

That said, I think being at Boise State could easily be seen as much as a knock on Harsin as it is a positive. He took over a program that was rolling from a legend. They are in a comparable conference to Coastal, but unlike Coastal they easily have the best talent in their conference on a yearly basis. They also have a track record of winning. He kept the train on the tracks, though, and that is commendable.

Chadwell took over a terrible program in a competitive conference and exceeded expectations significantly. I think that would be a positive.
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BSU is not the SEC
 
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BeardedVol said:
Generational winners?
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I guess I meant that they turned out to be generational winners. Saban is the best college football coach of all time. Meyer - when coaching in college - is widely considered a National title contender wherever he goes, and he's won 3.

No one could definitively say that they would become those things when they took their first SEC jobs. I agree.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Harsin in most cases would be a homerun hire for most programs rebuilding.

The "let down" of hiring Harsin is that they paid all that money to fire Gus and subsequently Steele, to strike out on everyone.

I consider Harsin in a higher level / tier than Chadwell/Elliot. Harsin just seemed like a letdown because they spent 20-30 million to hire him.
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I'm sure that we got Steele off of their payroll, correct?
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
Harsin reportedly received a 5-year, $25mil contract. If AU had been offering $7-$8 mil per year, they may have gotten a different coach. Harsin wasn’t a terrible hire as he did have 8 years of HC experience and was 69-19 record at Boise St. He also added Derek Mason (DC) and Mike Bobo (OC) to the staff. I think firing Gus also sent a message to potential coaches in that AU would not be happy with a 68-35 (39-27 conf) record. That may have scared away a few candidates.

Our situation is definitely challenging and one that no doubt worries candidates. If they win here, the upside is huge. If they do not win, they could follow the same route as Dooley, Jones, and Pruitt.
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GoVols15 said:
Stoops, Meyer, Saban and no less than Campbell. A proven winner as a head P5 coach over multiple years who has no "issues".
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Unfortunately a pipe dream. ......you will be disappointed.
I also , would rather play in the Masters than go to the Masters.......
I accept the fact it ain’t gonna happen, so I’m satisfied to just go to the tournament. It’s the best I can do. Tennessee ain’t getting that kind of coach. I wish it could happen and I’ve accepted that it won’t happen.
 
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peaygolf said:
Unfortunately a pipe dream. ......you will be disappointed.
I also , would rather play in the Masters than go to the Masters.......
I accept the fact it ain’t gonna happen, so I’m satisfied to just go to the tournament. It’s the best I can do. Tennessee ain’t getting that kind of coach. I wish it could happen and I’ve accepted that it won’t happen.
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I understand how you feel. For me, I will watch from afar not putting my hard earned dollars to support incompetence.
 
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