Congrats to Shoop

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jps2194 said:
Prior to this game, I thought this game would define for me how good Shoop is going to be. I have been critical earlier in the year on how pitiful our defense had been the last few games (yes, I know there were a bunch of injuries).

With a month to prepare, I figured if he is as good as everyone thinks he is, he should be able to come up with a solid game plan for Nebraska. I'm glad to see that our defense played a good game tonight. We held Nebraska to 257 yds passing and believe it or not, 61 YARDS RUSHING!!!

Way to go Shoop and D, great job tonight. :clapping:
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Here's my take. Shoop was really good at Vandy. At that time I wished that we could have him. I think he is still good, but needs time to develop players and recruit to his style.

Here's the kicker though. All our defensive backs except for a couple and nowhere near physical enough to play in the SEC. They are, in general, weak. They can NOT get of blocks on the edges. And as far as pass defense (now mind you, I am no coach, but know how I was coached technique wise) they are either NOT defending passes like they're being coached to, OR they are not being coached properly. Until we get some elite athletes, i.e. Juan Jennings types, we are going to be horrible in pass defense and defending the edges on run plays. Alabama was the first team to REALLY exploit that weakness. We had NO answers for their end around plays. Our defensive backs looked to be held on a lot of plays but the real problem was they were too weak to get off blocks.
 
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WestGaVol said:
Watching the semi games today one thing is really sticking out that UT hasn't had in a long time, Physical players on both sides of ball. These D linemen are super aggressive and strong!
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I thought we were a physical team last year and it was confirmed by Bama after our game with them in 2015. That said we took strides backwards this year, IMO I can only count on the fingers of one hand the kids who played on 120 that were consistent physical football players. I dont know what happened, but CBJ needs to get that fixed, our being soft was embarrassing at times.
 
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jps2194 said:
Prior to this game, I thought this game would define for me how good Shoop is going to be. I have been critical earlier in the year on how pitiful our defense had been the last few games (yes, I know there were a bunch of injuries).

With a month to prepare, I figured if he is as good as everyone thinks he is, he should be able to come up with a solid game plan for Nebraska. I'm glad to see that our defense played a good game tonight. We held Nebraska to 257 yds passing and believe it or not, 61 YARDS RUSHING!!!

Way to go Shoop and D, great job tonight. :clapping:
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And that rushing total includes one 42 yard carry. Without that they have almost nothing.
 
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jps2194 said:
I'm not saying the D was perfect, but it was a drastic improvement over the last few games. I do agree our corners / safeties (except for Sutton) seem to struggle to find and play the ball. Foreman and Mosely seem to never turn their heads and get snagged on consistently.
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They do ...but you will note ( it was mentioned in the radio broadcast and I noted it in film review of the Vandy game ) that on many of these plays the defender was in perfect position and the pass was in perfect position. The pass was in perfect position because the QB was throwing at the 4.0 second mark from a clean pocket. A good QB can hit passes at 2.5 seconds and a good front will be there in less than 2.5 seconds. There is hardly a QB in the country that cant hit a receiver , covered or not, with 4 seconds of standing flat footing and not being disturbed. There is no magic secondary coach that can stop this phenomenon. The answer is simple and as old as the forward passing game itself : pressure the QB and pressure him often. This will make ho-hum zone corners look like 'Prime Time'
 
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majic73 said:
They do ...but you will note ( it was mentioned in the radio broadcast and I noted it in film review of the Vandy game ) that on many of these plays the defender was in perfect position and the pass was in perfect position. The pass was in perfect position because the QB was throwing at the 4.0 second mark from a clean pocket. A good QB can hit passes at 2.5 seconds and a good front will be there in less than 2.5 seconds. There is hardly a QB in the country that cant hit a receiver , covered or not, with 4 seconds of standing flat footing and not being disturbed. There is no magic secondary coach that can stop this phenomenon. The answer is simple and as old as the forward passing game itself : pressure the QB and pressure him often. This will make ho-hum zone corners look like 'Prime Time'
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Forgive me for not believing this considering: A.) It has been a constant problem since Martinez has been here, and B.) We've had the best pass rusher in Vol history on the roster for the last 3 years...
 
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Squoshua17 said:
Forgive me for not believing this considering: A.) It has been a constant problem since Martinez has been here, and B.) We've had the best pass rusher in Vol history on the roster for the last 3 years...
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It works the same as it always has my friend. I could care less if Martinez is here or not. On these big pass plays...there is no pressure on the QB and the QB is holding the pocket for well over 3 seconds sometimes 4 to 5 seconds . He is approaching bull riding time. All man coverage and especially zone coverage breaks down in this time. If you look at the big hitting pass plays in the last three games ...you will note the time the opposing QB has the ball . Barnett is a difference maker , but he is only one guy. As a team , the front is not very good. It is understandable considering that you have back up DEs playing DT. This has to be corrected first . You can fire who you want, but the result will be the same unless this is taken care of . The film is free and informative , all you have to do is break it down
 
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majic73 said:
They do ...but you will note ( it was mentioned in the radio broadcast and I noted it in film review of the Vandy game ) that on many of these plays the defender was in perfect position and the pass was in perfect position. The pass was in perfect position because the QB was throwing at the 4.0 second mark from a clean pocket. A good QB can hit passes at 2.5 seconds and a good front will be there in less than 2.5 seconds. There is hardly a QB in the country that cant hit a receiver , covered or not, with 4 seconds of standing flat footing and not being disturbed. There is no magic secondary coach that can stop this phenomenon. The answer is simple and as old as the forward passing game itself : pressure the QB and pressure him often. This will make ho-hum zone corners look like 'Prime Time'
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I don't think anyone has a problem with a perfect pass, but what we were referring to is them being in a good position and not turning the find the ball. If the db does not turn his head to find the ball, he cannot play the ball and the WR has the advantage. It comes down to ball skills, we seem to struggle with that. It happened a couple of times Friday. Compare how some of our db's play the ball versus Bama - it's a big difference.
 
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jps2194 said:
I don't think anyone has a problem with a perfect pass, but what we were referring to is them being in a good position and not turning the find the ball. If the db does not turn his head to find the ball, he cannot play the ball and the WR has the advantage. It comes down to ball skills, we seem to struggle with that. It happened a couple of times Friday. Compare how some of our db's play the ball versus Bama - it's a big difference.
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Did you watch Clemson last night? Same problem.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Yeah Lyle. Martinez. Need anymore proof?
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Show me Any proof at all Shoop wanted to make changes. There are numerous articles where Shoop bragged on the staff and how much he enjoyed getting to know and break down film and discuss strategy with them.

The FACT is you're assuming and going with some dumb assed conspiracy theory one of your fellow complainers made up.
 
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majic73 said:
It works the same as it always has my friend. I could care less if Martinez is here or not. On these big pass plays...there is no pressure on the QB and the QB is holding the pocket for well over 3 seconds sometimes 4 to 5 seconds . He is approaching bull riding time. All man coverage and especially zone coverage breaks down in this time. If you look at the big hitting pass plays in the last three games ...you will note the time the opposing QB has the ball . Barnett is a difference maker , but he is only one guy. As a team , the front is not very good. It is understandable considering that you have back up DEs playing DT. This has to be corrected first . You can fire who you want, but the result will be the same unless this is taken care of . The film is free and informative , all you have to do is break it down
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Again, I have to disagree. We got to the quarterback quite a bit. We had the 1st AND 8th best pass rushers in the league with Barnett and Vereen, respectively. Jps made a good point. Often, our DB's were in pretty good position. They just didn't turn to make a play on the ball, leading to receptions or PI calls.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Outstanding defense up front today, but I still question the technique of the backfield.
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Being left in the dust by almost every receiver, never looking back for the ball, feet tangled up constantly... if that is taught as technique, there needs to be a revolution by the DBs.

But having watched some amazing DB work this bowl season, wouldn't our guys begin to think, "hey, maybe I ought to try that!"
 
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PA Vol said:
To be fair, they did have a walk-on playing QB.

To be clear, I'm happy with the result. But I don't think it clarifies anything about Shoop just yet.
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Not only did they hv a bk up qb but the starter was out at rb and Wr too
 
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