Confidence in CBJ and His Staff on The Field

Rate your confidence level in CBJ & Staff on the field for 60 minutes each Saturday

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#76
#76
msams75 said:
Why didn't one of you posters apply to be coach? You've had plenty of opportunities to over the last 6 years.
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I hate this kind of childish response.
One doesn't have to be a sniper to realize another is an average shot.
The results do the demonstrating.
 
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#78
#78
SobeVol said:
I hate this kind of childish response.
One doesn't have to be a sniper to realize another is an average shot.
The results do the demonstrating.
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Having worked with snipers, I know for a fact the average rifleman often won't know why the sniper was a few inches off from 600 meters, and whether it was something he should've anticipated or not.

It's the same in every profession. There are the professionals, and then there are all us amateurs who in our naivete believe we're qualified to grade their performance insightfully. Most of us just can't. :thumbsup:
 
#79
#79
You coach to the level of players on the field. Please point out where he did something questionable.
 
#80
#80
VFL-82-JP said:
Having worked with snipers, I know for a fact the average rifleman often won't know why the sniper was a few inches off from 600 meters, and whether it was something he should've anticipated or not.

It's the same in every profession. There are the professionals, and then there are all us amateurs who in our naivete believe we're qualified to grade their performance insightfully. Most of us just can't. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE

Ok smart guy ,
Let's try another analogy....
One doesn't have to be Michael phelps to know another is an average swimmer.

And also as an avid shooter, I can tell you why a sniper is off a few inches by looking at the conditions, cosign of his angle, and movement. One also can't judge based upon a single shot, but if follow up shots and total groups are scattered they will come into question
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SobeVol said:
Ok smart guy ,
Let's try another analogy....
One doesn't have to be Michael phelps to know another is an average swimmer.

And also as an avid shooter, I can tell you why a sniper is off a few inches by looking at the conditions, cosign of his angle, and movement. One also can't judge based upon a single shot, but if follow up shots and total groups are scattered they will come into question
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Well, Sobe, I agree with one thing you said: if all you're looking at is results, you can judge how successful a guy is. So you are certainly qualified to determine whether Phelps won the race (unless it's a photo finish or he got disqualified without you realizing it). But if you're thinking you can analyse his flip turns and determine whether he's shaving a hundredth of a second, or losing a hundredth, well, you might be fooling yourself, unless you actually are Michael Phelps' trainer/coach.

Wins and losses are the results that matter for football coaches on Saturdays. So yes, you can judge whether Butch is successful or not, by how many games we win. At that macro level, you're absolutely right.

But if you think you can judge whether he and his coordinators called the right play at any given point in the game, and whether he's doing all the right things to maximize the chances of our players outperforming the other team's players, well...you and I aren't qualified for that level of analysis of his abilities. We have fun doing it anyway, but we should be honest with each other about how capable we really are at it...not very.

Not in real time, at least. If you're a high school or college football coach, like LWS or 8188, I think you could certainly analyze the game after the fact, and figure a lot of it out. Maybe you're at that level. I sure know I'm not.
 
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#86
#86
99gator said:
Start Nathan Peterman at QB.....twice.
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#88
#88
Sobe, I believe a simple example would be, if you and I shoot together a few times. Our ammo, guns and range are similar. Yet you hit the target consistently more often than I do.

After numerous sets of results, an observer would not have to be a sniper to draw the conclusion that one of us is a better shot than the other.

I'm no coach, far from it! But I am with you. Eventually, everyone can see a pattern of decent wins or losses. Personally I'm pulling for Jones. I like him and want him to succeed. I'm just not one that answers a question with anything other than my honest opinion. EVen if that opinion and my wants aren't perfectly in line as of yet.
 
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#89
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100% all vol fans will see this year, butch has the ingredients to cook up a sec championship meal and only even bama is invited but not eat, all vols all day sec champs
 
#91
#91
99gator said:
Do you want to compare Butch Jones to the man who started Jeff Driskel?

It's your call. If you want to put Butch Jones on that level, have at it.
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I wasn't being fair...your coach hasn't had the chance to demonstrate his stupidity in roster decisions YET. Tho if it's anything like his QB recruiting decision on Sheriron Jones, it promises to be quite entertaining. :lol:
 
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#92
chargervol said:
Sobe, I believe a simple example would be, if you and I shoot together a few times. Our ammo, guns and range are similar. Yet you hit the target consistently more often than I do.

After numerous sets of results, an observer would not have to be a sniper to draw the conclusion that one of us is a better shot than the other.
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Exactly, Charger, exactly.

And to push the analogy even further: at this point in Butch's tenure, he's roughly at the point where you'd be on the range just having shot your first half-box of rounds. Now the gun is sighted, barrel and chamber are warmed up, you're limber and relaxed, and ready for some real shooting for score. Butch has the team loaded up on talent (not 100% yet, but close enough to make a move on the East), his system is in place, he's adjusted his coaching staff in a way he likes, and he's ready to show what he can do.

Now the real scoring begins.

So, at this point, asking a VN forum poll about "confidence in Butch & Co," well, it comes down to a question of faith. For all of us, it's just a question of faith.

Because the real scoring is just now beginning.
 
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#93
#93
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
He has more than proven himself as a recruiter. He's a great spokesman for the program. The jury is still out on him as a gameday coach. He did beat the #4 team in the country his first season with an undermanned roster, and he brought the team back from a 2 TD deficit last year vs SCjr. OTOH there's that Florida game.
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What #4 team in the country did he beat in 2013? Either I was asleep for that or you were asleep the whole season.
 
#95
#95
TennTradition said:
I'm not basing that off wins.

I expect Butch will find success soon he is accumulating too much talent not to.

But I've been unimpressed by on-field decisions, which is what the question was about. Need I remind you of the late timeout against UF that actually prevented us even getting a chance at a punt return?

Also his loyalty to questionable coaches like Mahoney has me concerned. Hopefully DeBo can mentor Mahoney.
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Even the big name coaches have made some bad decisions -- Saban 60yd FG with 1 second - Les Miles several clock mgmt losses, Malzahn blew one with a communication mistake resulting in a fumble by the goal line -- it goes on and on -- seems everyone remembers the 1 bad choice over the numerous good choices (Seahawks fans will never forget the bad play call that cost them a SB win) You learn from it and move on.
 
#96
#96
Only having fired half a box of shells implies not enough information. My original answer was unknown or not enough information. Please feel free to go back and check. That answer was just not pro or hyped enough for many. Still the most honest answer.
 
#97
#97
chargervol said:
Only having fired half a box of shells implies not enough information. My original answer was unknown or not enough information. Please feel free to go back and check. That answer was just not pro or hyped enough for many. Still the most honest answer.
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I just went back and checked, Charger, and didn't find anyone who called out your first post in this thread. I thought it was fair: giving a "5" because you don't yet have enough info to tilt it in either direction makes sense to me.

I went significantly higher, because I do have faith in his abilities. My faith is based primarily on how he did at CMU and Cincy over time. But I can also understand that some will not extrapolate from Group of 5 coaching to Power 5 coaching.

So you'll not get a peep out of me for your stance. And I honestly didn't see anyone else jumping on you, either. Think you're good, man.
 
#98
#98
The OP made a later post that suggested the numbers going from 9 and 10 to 7 and 8 was " negavols not disappointing". Not sure.where you think that lands a 5.
 
#99
#99
This thread would have been much better after this season. I voted a 5. We shall see what happens this season. With the loads of talent he has, Butch should have little difficulty competing for the East. Barring significant injuries of course.
 
#100
#100
Volador said:
Interesting that early on that the combined votes for 9 & 10 equaled the combined votes for 7 & 8. Right now it's trending more conservative and well, Negavols aren't disappointing us, are they?!!
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Although the format there may not be ideal for this purpose, it would be interesting to reproduce your poll in the Recruiting Forum. I guarantee you that the tone of discourse pertaining to such a poll would be fundamentally different.
 
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