Concerns Over NFL Mentality?

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I've admittedly missed many of the discussions over our new coaching staff. I saw something on govolsxtra about being wary of an NFL mentality on the team as it would attract players that were concerned about "me" rather than "team".

I don't get it. To me that seems like a coaching problem.

Above all, this openness to a revolving door type system has seemed to work for USC. Pete Carroll said during the Rose Bowl stuff that he wants his guys to go if it is the right time for them.

It seems to me that winning records + great recruiting + "we'll get you to the NFL" = more recruiters = better team = winning record, etc.

Am I missing something here?
 
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Most recruited HS football players ultimately aspire to get to the NFL.....thats no problem. If these coaches could motivate grown men making millions of dollars in the NFL to play, then 17-20yr old kids shouldnt be a problem.
 
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Well, we have a choice as Vol fans. Either watch 18-23 year olds that have no ambitions of playing pro ball such as Navy, Air Force or Baylor, or we can chose to watch the best athletes in the game compete... egos, discipline issues, etc, as we compete for national titles again.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, we have a choice as Vol fans. Either watch 18-23 year olds that have no ambitions of playing pro ball such as Navy, Air Force or Baylor, or we can chose to watch the best athletes in the game compete... egos, discipline issues, etc, as we compete for national titles again.
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I honestly think you can have the players with the big egos and not really have to put up with discipline issues if they are coached up right.
 
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I wonder if the discipline issues we have had start because once they got to TN and started losing from the results of bad coaching, they were like, "Heck! I'm not going to the NFL anyways, may as well have fun since I won't get kicked off the team."
 
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I am concerned about kiffins overall philosophy. he keeps saying nfl, but im not hearing him say student athlete. this is not the nfl. it is college. i am concerned i havent heard anything about teaching young men how to be succesful. football and life have lots of correlations and i havent heard anything about kiffins play to make these guys sucessful men. i havent heard anything about family, growth, education. how about helping these kids grow into being good men
 
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I'll admit, at first I was just a little worried that some of the NFL coaches we were getting might not be able to relate or translate well to the college level guys, but after hearing Monte yesterday and his and O's emphasis on position coaching I think the players are going to get coached up much better than in years past. I'm feeling pretty good right now about the recruiting and coaching over the next few years.
 
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This is easy,

The last time we were really good, we were sending twice as many players to the NFL.
And the time before that was the same. Go back and look at the 90's. There lies your answer.
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
I've admittedly missed many of the discussions over our new coaching staff. I saw something on govolsxtra about being wary of an NFL mentality on the team as it would attract players that were concerned about "me" rather than "team".

I don't get it. To me that seems like a coaching problem.

Above all, this openness to a revolving door type system has seemed to work for USC. Pete Carroll said during the Rose Bowl stuff that he wants his guys to go if it is the right time for them.

It seems to me that winning records + great recruiting + "we'll get you to the NFL" = more recruiters = better team = winning record, etc.

Am I missing something here?
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I've thought about this too. I'm all about sending kids to the NFL as long as we have a respectable graduation percentage and avoid negative headlines. I do think that there is a risk of us getting me-first kids who may not be the greatest citizens.

However, I've reconciled that with the realization that the right leader will instill the discipline and guidance to ensure that the goals of the individual align with the goals of the program. And so far, Kiffin has demonstrated to me that he understands leadership... and having Kiffin Sr on staff should help in that regard.

There definitely will be more accountability and less Club Med atmosphere on the hill now - so I think Kiffin's system, while heavily promoting the NFL, can also produce satisfactory results on the "student" side of the equation.
 
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Does it occur to anyone that the "NFL Mentality" that brings in "me" kids is the same mentality that allows a coach to deal with a bunch of egos in the first place?
 
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High school kids major goal is to get to the NFL. UT will have a lot of NFL type coaches who can sell this message.
 
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GAVol said:
Does it occur to anyone that the "NFL Mentality" that brings in "me" kids is the same mentality that allows a coach to deal with a bunch of egos in the first place?
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Good point, its kind of the same logic I define as good leadership. I think it can work out with a truly strong leader of men in charge.
 
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First and foremost they are hired as a "C.O.A.C.H". As I recall they're job is make a player better so in turn the team is better. A better player then has a shot at the NFL which is no doubt a player dreams of. As Monte said, "they are good coaches and they are bad coaches".

For an example would you want your kids going to a school that constantly was rated high with good teachers or one rated low with bad teachers?
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
I am concerned about kiffins overall philosophy. he keeps saying nfl, but im not hearing him say student athlete. this is not the nfl. it is college. i am concerned i havent heard anything about teaching young men how to be succesful. football and life have lots of correlations and i havent heard anything about kiffins play to make these guys sucessful men. i havent heard anything about family, growth, education. how about helping these kids grow into being good men
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listen to his interviews again. he said he wants to provide the players with a quality education, and he also said in another interview, he wished it was more about acedemics, but the truth is the players that come here will want to go into the nfl...
 
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i have heard kiffin mention that a couple times. im just concerned that kiffin is more concerned about nfl than university of tennessee. they cant get to the pros until they leave knoxville. it would seem the best thing to do would be to develop them to that point while they are here. thats where his focus should be. were gonna send players to the league regardless.
 
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Just toss the car keys to the new guys,lay back and enjoy the ride~~~


Vol-in-Bham said:
I've admittedly missed many of the discussions over our new coaching staff. I saw something on govolsxtra about being wary of an NFL mentality on the team as it would attract players that were concerned about "me" rather than "team".

I don't get it. To me that seems like a coaching problem.

Above all, this openness to a revolving door type system has seemed to work for USC. Pete Carroll said during the Rose Bowl stuff that he wants his guys to go if it is the right time for them.

It seems to me that winning records + great recruiting + "we'll get you to the NFL" = more recruiters = better team = winning record, etc.

Am I missing something here?
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
i have heard kiffin mention that a couple times. im just concerned that kiffin is more concerned about nfl than university of tennessee. they cant get to the pros until they leave knoxville. it would seem the best thing to do would be to develop them to that point while they are here. thats where his focus should be. were gonna send players to the league regardless.
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I think Kiffin is well aware that his success is going to hinge upon his ability to get the talent here and keep it on the field by following the rules set forth by the NCAA, as his passing Spurrier's test would suggest.
 
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plus the fact that he's talked to players already about doing right. I dont think handing out discipline is going to be a problem from the HC, not one of CPF strengths IMO
 
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It concerns me just a little bit. I think we will be fine, but I wouldn't mind getting a few other college coaches as position coaches. Rodney Garner would be a huge pickup IMO.
 
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This is a grade-A example of why the KNS is a garbage rag. What a moronic concern.

Talk about pulling complaints out of your ass! Maybe next the KNS staff can attached themselves to the ever genius 5150 and posivol complaint that Lane has yet to wrap up the greatest recruiting class ever, a month before signing day, so clearly he can't recruit.
 
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