Concern? Offensive signals still not installed.

#51
#51
AFL2008 said:
I'll defer to the knowledge of the board here, but for me, I'd be concerned if Florida was 1 week into fall camp and the offense had never practiced with the signals coming from the sideline.
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If you had just watched Florida butcher a whole season with an offense like ours last year, and you had a new coach who was having to coming, burn the whole thing to the ground and start all over, then believe me, the last thing you'd worry about is the complicated stuff like signals. We've got to learn to block and run the right way first.

Our offense is going to be so limited at first that we could probably just hold up signs with colors and pictures of animals. This is not going to be an issue.
 
#52
#52
AFL2008 said:
Maybe riled up enough that I say something stupid and get banned? not likely.

I'll defer to the knowledge of the board here, but for me, I'd be concerned if Florida was 1 week into fall camp and the offense had never practiced with the signals coming from the sideline.
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That's just dumb. Go back and look at Urban's first year as head coach. You guys looked pretty lost at times. New system, coach etc. We'll be fine with going slow for now. Also, the only thing florida really has to worry about is tebow getting hurt. If he we're to get hurt, Florida football would look pretty mediocre.
 
#53
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Vercingetorix said:
If you had just watched Florida butcher a whole season with an offense like ours last year, and you had a new coach who was having to coming, burn the whole thing to the ground and start all over, then believe me, the last thing you'd worry about is the complicated stuff like signals. We've got to learn to block and run the right way first.

Our offense is going to be so limited at first that we could probably just hold up signs with colors and pictures of animals. This is not going to be an issue.
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I think there is some flash in there already.. not really a prehistoric offense I don't think..
 
#54
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DougVol said:
That's just dumb. Go back and look at Urban's first year as head coach. You guys looked pretty lost at times. New system, coach etc. We'll be fine with going slow for now. Also, the only thing florida really has to worry about is tebow getting hurt. If he we're to get hurt, Florida football would look pretty mediocre.
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Florida went 9-3, and could have been even better in 2005. The coaches had that team playing at a level we hadn't seen in years, and the organization was excellent.
Remember when he "faked" the Tennessee punter into thinking that a fake punt would work? That lead to a FG. UF won 16-7.

The only reason UF lost games was because they had very few play makers healthy in the middle of the year and no strong cover corner for meyer's man to man system. It wasn't because of a lack of organization. The offense didn't make many mistakes in 2005 from a "running the wrong play" perspective. They just didn't have the players they needed.

Also, Florida is more than just Tim Tebow.
 
#55
#55
orange+white=heaven said:
I think there is some flash in there already.. not really a prehistoric offense I don't think..
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I didn't mean to imply that it's going to be prehistoric, just extremely simple. You could probably come up with a signaling system based on five colors and about ten farm animals that could encompass most of what we're going to try to do early on.

(I stay home with my kids; this is how I think.)
 
#58
#58
Vercingetorix said:
Our quarterback is Jonathan Crompton. It IS like a baby being weaned.

You don't learn a new language by spending two weeks learning all the grammar rules you can, and then two weeks studying vocabulary, and then just putting them together and going full speed. You start with simple words and the present tense, you practice that until you can do it well, and then you add incrementally. I would much rather have an extremely limited offense and run it well, than to go wide open and have chaos.
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Clawfense?

That's exactly what I saw last year. They got the play in, and then nobody knew where to go for that play.
 
#59
#59
DougVol said:
Exactly, Clawson gave us all the Chaos we'll need for a lifetime. If you can stomach it, go watch Auburn game 08. I've seen eighth graders more prepared.
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I will always wonder how many of Crompton's passes into the ground and to D players were the result of him throwing to a spot while the receiver ran a different route. I think everyone on offense played with hesitation last year because they didn't trust their teammates to be in the right place at the right time. Hesitation in the SEC will get you killed.
 
#60
#60
AFL2008 said:
Maybe riled up enough that I say something stupid and get banned? not likely.

I'll defer to the knowledge of the board here, but for me, I'd be concerned if Florida was 1 week into fall camp and the offense had never practiced with the signals coming from the sideline.
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Right; because signals are more important that actually learning the plays. I can see it now …. Our kids were out of place on that place on that play but at least they got the signal.
 
#62
#62
bigdaddy said:
Here is my simple take on this. If JC knows the play signal but has no idea how to run the play, what good is that situation. I would rather the team be efficient at running the called plays and learn the signal after the fact.
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:thumbsup:
 
#63
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VolDad said:
Right; because signals are more important that actually learning the plays. I can see it now …. Our kids were out of place on that place on that play but at least they got the signal.
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Uh... if they get the signal wrong, they could end up in the wrong place anyways... So not a good argument.

I honestly can't wait to see what this offense is going to look like this year. I'm intrigued.
 
#64
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AFL2008 said:
Maybe riled up enough that I say something stupid and get banned? not likely.

I'll defer to the knowledge of the board here, but for me, I'd be concerned if Florida was 1 week into fall camp and the offense had never practiced with the signals coming from the sideline.
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Have you been a QB? Or even played?
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#65
#65
AFL2008 said:
Uh... if they get the signal wrong, they could end up in the wrong place anyways... So not a good argument.

I honestly can't wait to see what this offense is going to look like this year. I'm intrigued.
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As pointed out earlier, it is much easier to get the signals in/plays called than the players in place.
 
#66
#66
AFL2008 said:
Florida went 9-3, and could have been even better in 2005. The coaches had that team playing at a level we hadn't seen in years, and the organization was excellent.
Remember when he "faked" the Tennessee punter into thinking that a fake punt would work? That lead to a FG. UF won 16-7.

The only reason UF lost games was because they had very few play makers healthy in the middle of the year and no strong cover corner for meyer's man to man system. It wasn't because of a lack of organization. The offense didn't make many mistakes in 2005 from a "running the wrong play" perspective. They just didn't have the players they needed.

Also, Florida is more than just Tim Tebow.
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Revisionist history is awesome. "Faked" our punter out. You can't even dream that kind of lie.
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#67
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Vercingetorix said:
I didn't mean to imply that it's going to be prehistoric, just extremely simple. You could probably come up with a signaling system based on five colors and about ten farm animals that could encompass most of what we're going to try to do early on.

(I stay home with my kids; this is how I think.)
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Agreed. The sub thing will work fine. But if a person is really worried about being able to signal in plays, I'd bet the signaling of this offense could be learned in about 2 nights of hard studying, for someone not that quick.
 
#68
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BigPapaVol said:
Revisionist history is awesome. "Faked" our punter out. You can't even dream that kind of lie.
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I thought that after the game Fulmer blamed the "botched fake punt" on a miscommunication between himself and the kicker.

The punter thought he had the authority to do a fake punt if Floridal looked like they were lined up incorrectly. Florida left the right gunner undefended, the punter threw the ball, but UF had planned on that and jumped the throw.

So either, Fulmer was faked out, or the punter was. I thought it was the punter.
 
#69
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AFL2008 said:
I thought that after the game Fulmer blamed the "botched fake punt" on a miscommunication between himself and the kicker.

The punter thought he had the authority to do a fake punt if Floridal looked like they were lined up incorrectly. Florida left the right gunner undefended, the punter threw the ball, but UF had planned on that and jumped the throw.

So either, Fulmer was faked out, or the punter was. I thought it was the punter.
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Or maybe Fulmer was, as usual, passing the buck.
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#70
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BigPapaVol said:
Have you been a QB? Or even played?
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I played RB for JV for a couple of years in HS. School got too hard so i quit because I obviously had no future there. Our signals were... non existent. We only ran like 10 plays.

I have no true understanding of the complexity of a college offense or how many signals would be involved in sending the play in.

Seems like it would be complicated though.
 
#71
#71
AFL2008 said:
I played RB for JV for a couple of years in HS. School got too hard so i quit because I obviously had no future there. Our signals were... non existent. We only ran like 10 plays.

I have no true understanding of the complexity of a college offense or how many signals would be involved in sending the play in.

Seems like it would be complicated though.
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It's not complicated or difficult.
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#72
#72
AFL2008 said:
I played RB for JV for a couple of years in HS. School got too hard so i quit because I obviously had no future there. Our signals were... non existent. We only ran like 10 plays.

I have no true understanding of the complexity of a college offense or how many signals would be involved in sending the play in.

Seems like it would be complicated though.
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If we weren't transitioning to a new offense, I think concern over the signals would be justified.

As it stands, UT plans on rotating many WRs and RBs onto the field anyway (because of injuries and freshmen with potential), and understanding the plays once called is far more important than getting the hand signals down. WRs will cycle in with the new play calls as needed until the coaches are comfortable with the QBs getting the signals.
 
#73
#73
Jesus... if they have to, they can go to a number board instead of hand signals.

ala, grad asst. holds up two signs, one says A the other says 17 = Row A Column 17 on the wristband. This is simply a preferential thing, and not the end of the world. If Kiffin has the foresight that he has demonstrated in the past, then I fully expect there to be a working contingency in the event we have to go on the road without a full complement of hand signals.
 
#75
#75
GAVol said:
What's the big deal? It's not like you can't just run tell a WR "I Right Y Jet 36 Blast" and send him onto the field to tell the QB. It's old school, but it's still done that way in a lot of places.

It's a football play; not a nuclear secret. It's just not nearly as complicated as people want it to be.
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...delay of game penalties (a problem for years) while the QB stands and look at the sideline for help.

I am no strategist but if I wanted to manage my offensive game plan and be sure we ran what I wanted (as we will need to do to manage time and the O part of the game) I would run in players with the play, especially early on in the season.

Let's get it right regardless of the method and at least stop the plethora of delay of game penalties.

GO VOLS
 
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