Conceptual thinking with play calling.

#53
#53
will try and tackle all the subjects brought up.....as for the offense, i don't think it will be all that different, but the installation of the no huddle will try to take advantage of, and really force, mis matches so we can get the ball in to the play maker's hands. i forsee an emphasis on the running game and physical O line play, while trying to develop the new crop of WR's. i also see the TE playing a much more involved role in the passing game.

Defensively, i think the 3-4 will rear it's head, but i don't think it wil be a full time thing. i do think the 3-4 offers some advantages, especially against some of the speed we may face at the line of scrimmage against the likes of Florida, Cal, GA etc...However, the 4-3 is the bread and butter, and Chavis's best defenses have always had great D Line play, which will be a bit of a project this year. if we do run a 3-4, i do expect to see DE's as OLB's in those situations, and from the 3-4, i think the best advantage it gives us is it gives us options. we can disguise blitz packages differently and utilize LB's differently. the 3-4 is not seen each week and will give OC's we play another thing to prepare for, and given that there's no real tape of the 3-4 for us, early on it may give us some benefits. but i dont' expect it to be the formation we use game in and game out.

as for Florida, i have no doubt that the players they have replacing everyone they lost will be very talented. The defense takes the biggest hit, but the offense, i do expect to be much better. i expect the FL game to be once again, fairly close with whoever loses probably feeling like they let one get away.
 
#56
#56
I wonder which of Mitchell and/or Reynolds and/or Ayers would move to OLB and which would stay at DE.

I wonder if any OLB would move to ILB, because if not, it's Mayo and Wilson at ILB. Wilson with 7 total career tackles.
 
#57
#57
VolinArizona said:
I wonder which of Mitchell and/or Reynolds and/or Ayers would move to OLB and which would stay at DE.

I wonder if any OLB would move to ILB, because if not, it's Mayo and Wilson at ILB. Wilson with 7 total career tackles.
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I bet it would be Ayers and Reynolds. If we do run the 3-4 I think Ben Martin will be playing quiete frequently. Fulmer is really impressed with Martin.
 
#58
#58
lawgator1 said:
I understand folks on the board trying to diminish or downplay the talent coming in at Florida. That's okay.

But it leaves me wondering who will cover the likes of Thompson. Someone mentioned Rico McCoy. Looked him up. He runs the 40 in 4.52, and that's a quarter of a second slower than Thompson. I am sure that McCoy can land a big hit... if he ever catches him. Which apparently will not happen.
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The NFL scrapheap is piled high with 4.3 receivers, who were also blessed with hands made of stone.

Personally, I could care less about his "NFL potential". I just want to see UT slam the door on him for four years. He can catch 10,000 passes for (insert NFL team of your choice) after that. I truly don't care.

What irks me is watching a mosquito like Percy Harvin befuddle a defense, when we all know the first time an NFL linebacker gets him in his sights, it's "the scrapheap" for young Percy.

Or more likely, the AFL.

No one questions the talent UF draws. Or the talent UT draws. It's the disparity in the level of performance each team gets from that talent that seems to be the problem. For UT.

Go Vols.
 
#59
#59
There have been faster players than Deonte Thompson shut down by slower players than UT's defensive players.

Thompson is not inventing the wheel.
 
#63
#63
jakez4ut said:
will try and tackle all the subjects brought up.....as for the offense, i don't think it will be all that different, but the installation of the no huddle will try to take advantage of, and really force, mis matches so we can get the ball in to the play maker's hands. i forsee an emphasis on the running game and physical O line play, while trying to develop the new crop of WR's. i also see the TE playing a much more involved role in the passing game.

Defensively, i think the 3-4 will rear it's head, but i don't think it wil be a full time thing. i do think the 3-4 offers some advantages, especially against some of the speed we may face at the line of scrimmage against the likes of Florida, Cal, GA etc...However, the 4-3 is the bread and butter, and Chavis's best defenses have always had great D Line play, which will be a bit of a project this year. if we do run a 3-4, i do expect to see DE's as OLB's in those situations, and from the 3-4, i think the best advantage it gives us is it gives us options. we can disguise blitz packages differently and utilize LB's differently. the 3-4 is not seen each week and will give OC's we play another thing to prepare for, and given that there's no real tape of the 3-4 for us, early on it may give us some benefits. but i dont' expect it to be the formation we use game in and game out.

as for Florida, i have no doubt that the players they have replacing everyone they lost will be very talented. The defense takes the biggest hit, but the offense, i do expect to be much better. i expect the FL game to be once again, fairly close with whoever loses probably feeling like they let one get away.
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I can only hope your right about our O line play..
We have to get back to establishing the run, to open up the passing game.
 
#64
#64
vol_in_ar said:
I can only hope your right about our O line play..
We have to get back to establishing the run, to open up the passing game.
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This has always been our strength...what the Vols brought to the table. We are not now nor are we likely ever to be an offense timed and planned precisely like a Meyer or Spurrier engine. When this is what we see brought back to the table again...we'll be winning SEC titles again.
 
#65
#65
On offense.....being predictable isn't always a bad thing. Take 1998 for example, the offense didn't exactly throw any loops in there. They just had a badass line that played smashmouth mixed with RB's that understood North-South running.

All it took was that play action with 8 men in the box on a 2nd and say 2-4 yards to kill a defense.

That's what has changed from then to now. Our offensive line play (as far as running is concerned) has declined, also mixed in with running backs (last year more than any I can remember) jookin-n-jiving all over the place, trying to be Reggie Bush.

That might be an old school way of looking at things and I understand that when you're playing a team with just as talented D-Line and talented defense all together there is a need for creative playcalling.

I think a coaches time would be better spent teaching the boys how to get mean and put people on their ass and being a disciplined machine rather than installing alot of hoopla.
 
#66
#66
Business said:
On offense.....being predictable isn't always a bad thing. Take 1998 for example, the offense didn't exactly throw any loops in there. They just had a badass line that played smashmouth mixed with RB's that understood North-South running.

All it took was that play action with 8 men in the box on a 2nd and say 2-4 yards to kill a defense.

That's what has changed from then to now. Our offensive line play (as far as running is concerned) has declined, also mixed in with running backs (last year more than any I can remember) jookin-n-jiving all over the place, trying to be Reggie Bush.

That might be an old school way of looking at things and I understand that when you're playing a team with just as talented D-Line and talented defense all together there is a need for creative playcalling.

I think a coaches time would be better spent teaching the boys how to get mean and put people on their ass and being a disciplined machine rather than installing alot of hoopla.
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Yes we need improvement on the OL and a some toughness, but I don't see anything wrong with confusing defenses every now and then.
 
#67
#67
Lexvol said:
Yes we need improvement on the OL and a some toughness, but I don't see anything wrong with confusing defenses every now and then.
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Yeah, I understand but I think too many people want some kind of crazy change to the offense. You know running some Texas Tech/ Hawaii kind of crap.

I was just saying a good mix of creativity and alot of toughness will go alot further than the opposite.
 
#68
#68
Business said:
Yeah, I understand but I think too many people want some kind of crazy change to the offense. You know running some Texas Tech/ Hawaii kind of crap.

I was just saying a good mix of creativity and alot of toughness will go alot further than the opposite.
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You can count me into that group. I think that UT has lost every element of surprise, and that they no longer have the talent to just show up and win. I was one of those fans that held false hope that UT would move in a different direction when Sanders left.

I do agree that if we are going to stick with our offense, at the very least it should be run well.
 
#69
#69
Lexvol said:
You can count me into that group. I think that UT has lost every element of surprise, and that they no longer have the talent to just show up and win. I was one of those fans that held false hope that UT would move in a different direction when Sanders left.

I do agree that if we are going to stick with our offense, at the very least it should be run well.
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Well even if we disagree on the direction, we can both agree on the discipline.
 
#70
#70
GAVol said:
3-4 is actually an interesting idea against the Spread Option. Florida is not going to be running a lot of dive plays up the gut in the first place, so having a big NT to stop the run shouldn't be as much of a problem.
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If we do end up implementing the 3-4, Chavis would be itchin' to reveal it during the Florida game, I imagine.
 
#71
#71
Business said:
On offense.....being predictable isn't always a bad thing. Take 1998 for example, the offense didn't exactly throw any loops in there. They just had a badass line that played smashmouth mixed with RB's that understood North-South running.

All it took was that play action with 8 men in the box on a 2nd and say 2-4 yards to kill a defense.

That's what has changed from then to now. Our offensive line play (as far as running is concerned) has declined, also mixed in with running backs (last year more than any I can remember) jookin-n-jiving all over the place, trying to be Reggie Bush.

That might be an old school way of looking at things and I understand that when you're playing a team with just as talented D-Line and talented defense all together there is a need for creative playcalling.

I think a coaches time would be better spent teaching the boys how to get mean and put people on their ass and being a disciplined machine rather than installing alot of hoopla.
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Nothing wrong with "OLD SCHOOL" thinking...Im OLD SCHOOL and I say if UT can muster 100 rushes a game getting an average of 3-4 yeard per rush, then we have no need to throw the ball. It keeps the opposing offense off the field (thus, somewhat helping our defense).
 
#72
#72
Business said:
Yeah, I understand but I think too many people want some kind of crazy change to the offense. You know running some Texas Tech/ Hawaii kind of crap.

I was just saying a good mix of creativity and alot of toughness will go alot further than the opposite.
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Lexvol said:
You can count me into that group. I think that UT has lost every element of surprise, and that they no longer have the talent to just show up and win. I was one of those fans that held false hope that UT would move in a different direction when Sanders left.

I do agree that if we are going to stick with our offense, at the very least it should be run well.
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I think there's a happy medium and it should be dictated by the personnel available and what their strenghts are. in 98, Business, you are correct. we lined up and did what we did because we knew we could do it.

the last few years, save last year, we lined up and did what we did......simply because that's what we did. we didn't adjust to the players strengths and weaknesses or adjust for what we might be defficient in.

for me, i honestly don't care what offensive style they run, as long as it works. If we have O Lines like we had in the 90's and we can pound out 180-200 yards a game on the ground and add another 150-200 in the air great. If we have speed outside and a qb that can make good decisions, we should be more creative in formations with the passing game.

it's the stubbornness that we seem to have sometimes when it comes to the running game. Nothing pisses me off more than when it's 2nd and 8 or 9 and we run a play up the middle and then have 3rd and 5 or longer.

that's when we become predictable. Our 1st and 2nd down play calling has got to either get 1st downs or set up 2nd or 3rd and short. how they do it, i really don't care at this point.
 
#73
#73
No doubt, you need to be able to run the football effectively, but you have to look at the teams winning titles to understand where football has gone. The two teams in last year's title game were hybrid spread offense football teams. I know it is weird to think of tOSU that way, but they were a three WR, shotgun team too.

The wave now is mobile, dual-threat QB, zone run scheme, and spread receivers horizontally. That's where the game is, and we aren't playing that style.
 
#74
#74
lawgator1 said:
Let me give you an idea of what I'm talking about. First, Meyer was recently quoted as saying he needs 11 healthy and ready-to-play wide receivers on the roster to run his offense properly. One of those guys -- in additiuon to Harvin -- is a freshman named Deonte Thompson.

At scout camp last year, he ran three consecutive 4.28 40s. Three. In a row.
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I heard a story about Bill Walsh yesterday. He really wanted Jerry Rice out of college, but Jerry was too slow. The brass in SF said there was no way Rice would make it in the NFL, he was too slow. Walsh brought in a tape of every catch during Rice's senior season (around 110) and every time he had a step on the defender, he was never caught from behind. The guys timed speed was too slow, but his football speed was.....well, we all know how that turned out.

So, Thompson is fast on a clock, but does he have football speed?
 
#75
#75
wellway16 said:
No doubt, you need to be able to run the football effectively, but you have to look at the teams winning titles to understand where football has gone. The two teams in last year's title game were hybrid spread offense football teams. I know it is weird to think of tOSU that way, but they were a three WR, shotgun team too.

The wave now is mobile, dual-threat QB, zone run scheme, and spread receivers horizontally. That's where the game is, and we aren't playing that style.
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for those two teams, i dont' disagree, but the reason they play that style is that they have personnel that allows them to. my only point is you have to adjust to the personnel and play to their strengths.
 
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