Conceptual thinking with play calling.

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#26
I think the 3-4 is fine if you have a good secondary. Otherwise, you are setting yourself up to get burned.

and the nose tackle issue
 
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#27
GAVol said:
3-4 is actually an interesting idea against the Spread Option. Florida is not going to be running a lot of dive plays up the gut in the first place, so having a big NT to stop the run shouldn't be as much of a problem.
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That's what ran through my mind. Is part of the motivation for a 3-4 to have a better defense against the spread option.

Also from what I've read, a 3-4 defense is 2 DT and 1 DE. Both DT's need enough size to manage being double-teamed. Basicly you have 3 vs 5 on the line. UT needs stronger DT's for this defense IMO.
 
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#28
VolunteerHillbilly said:
I think the 3-4 is fine if you have a good secondary. Otherwise, you are setting yourself up to get burned.
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Not sure I agree with that. It's not like we'd be trying to rush the passer with just 3 on every play. That's part of the beauty of the 34. The o-line never knows whether you are bringing just 3 or 4-5 on a pass rush.
 
#29
#29
Why does everyone assume that UF is going to run a pure spread option? It aint gonna happen folks. Meyer has proven his adaptability.
 
#30
#30
4-3 is more of a run D and 3-4 is a run D but plays againts the short pass and outside run better?
 
#31
#31
oklavol said:
That's what ran through my mind. Is part of the motivation for a 3-4 to have a better defense against the spread option.

Also from what I've read, a 3-4 defense is 2 DT and 1 DE. Both DT's need enough size to manage being double-teamed. Basicly you have 3 vs 5 on the line. UT needs stronger DT's for this defense IMO.
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Before the snap, you would be correct. After the snap, any number of personnel sets can be deployed to gap fill... It is not a stationary scheme in the least.


Guess I'll jump off the 3-4 soapbox now. I don't know near as much about this as I'm starting to sound like I think I do...
 
#32
#32
GAVol said:
Not sure I agree with that. It's not like we'd be trying to rush the passer with just 3 on every play. That's part of the beauty of the 34. The o-line never knows whether you are bringing just 3 or 4-5 on a pass rush.
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Seeing as how UTK lacks the big man nose tackle it'll be pretty obvious to everyone that the rush will be at least 4 in just about every running situation. That's what I don't like about this idea. If you are running the 3-4 because you really have the personnel (3 big strong hogs who can take on more than one blocker and a couple of oversized LBs who are very fast and have a nose for the ball) then that's one thing. If you are doing it because you just don't have 3 good DL and you're overstocked with LB then it's a different can of worms IMO.
 
#33
#33
oklavol said:
Basically you have 3 vs 5 on the line. UT needs stronger DT's for this defense IMO.
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You'd only have 3 vs 5 if all the linebackers were dropping into coverage. Most of the time there is at least one OLB near the line of scrimmage playing like a stand-up Defensive End.
 
#34
#34
VolunteerHillbilly said:
Seeing as how UTK lacks the big man nose tackle it'll be pretty obvious to everyone that the rush will be at least 4 in just about every running situation. That's what I don't like about this idea. If you are running the 3-4 because you really have the personnel (3 big strong hogs who can take on more than one blocker and a couple of voersized LBs who are very fast and have a nose for the ball) then that's one thing. If you are doing it because you just don't have 3 good DL and you're overstocked with LB then it's a different can of worms IMO.
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I agree . . . running a 3-4 doesn't seem like a good idea if the intent is to hide depth issues at DT. If anything it seems like it would expose them more.
 
#36
#36
GAVol said:
You'd only have 3 vs 5 if all the linebackers were dropping into coverage. Most of the time there is at least one OLB near the line of scrimmage playing like a stand-up Defensive End.
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Right, there is usually a hybrid DT/OLB (a.k.a Ben Martin) in the scheme. :)
 
#38
#38
GAVol said:
3-4 is actually an interesting idea against the Spread Option. Florida is not going to be running a lot of dive plays up the gut in the first place, so having a big NT to stop the run shouldn't be as much of a problem.
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Why does everyone assume that UF is going to run a pure spread option? It aint gonna happen folks. Meyer has proven his adaptability.
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In that Florida does not have a proven true running back and given the schem he employed at Utah, I do think that a defensive plan that emphasizes linebackers makes sense.

Thing is, the offense is largely geared to pitches, short passes, and even simple handoffs to speedy WR types and, once lose, guys like Harvin or Cromartie are tough to wrap up. I see UT's defense stacking the LBs closer to the line of scrimmage than perhaps you would against a more tradiitonal offense, with a focus on preventing bad match-ups and covering for the slower part of your secondary.

At this stage in his career, I don't think that Tebow is ready for a lot of timing patterns. If the ball is not in the hands of a skill player within a second or two of the play getting underway, its a question of Tebow spotting the mismatch or the guy left open and hitting him on the streak. There was a lot of that going on in the Spring game, I noticed. Not a lot of crossing plays, picks, things of that nature. More someone misses an assignment and there's a guy wide open running down the sideline.

Let me give you an idea of what I'm talking about. First, Meyer was recently quoted as saying he needs 11 healthy and ready-to-play wide receivers on the roster to run his offense properly. One of those guys -- in additiuon to Harvin -- is a freshman named Deonte Thompson.

At scout camp last year, he ran three consecutive 4.28 40s. Three. In a row.
 
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#40
norrislakevol said:
Berry ran that time with a cast on his hand as well. O Neil has clocked a 4.26, and Vinson has ran a 4.26, and a 4.27 in the 40 back to back.
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That's amazing considering one of the fastest men in the history of the universe (Ben Johnson) only ran a 4.38 according to another thread on here...:crazy:
 
#41
#41
lawgator1 said:
Scout.com: Deonte Thompson Profile

"Ran three straight 4.28 forty times at the Scout.com Jacksonville Combine on Sunday April 17, 2005.

As a junior (12-1 season), Deonte turned in a 35 catch season for 767 yds. He also had 12 kick returns for 515 yds and two touchdowns."
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And he missed half the games in his senior season. Sounds like an injury prone kid in HS that won't last long at this level.
 
#42
#42
3-4 is susceptible to the inside run if the NT isn't a force to be reckoned with. Those MLBs better be REAL fast and strong, otherwise teams will run it up the gut all day.
 
#43
#43
True, and look at the Cs we play this season:

All Pac-10 Alex Mack - Cal
All American 3rd Team Jon Luigs - Arkansas
Steve Rissler - Florida
Fernando Velasco - UGA
 
#44
#44
Bammer said:
3-4 is susceptible to the inside run if the NT isn't a force to be reckoned with. Those MLBs better be REAL fast and strong, otherwise teams will run it up the gut all day.
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and you better get Prothrow (SP)healthy!:)
 
#46
#46
Bammer said:
3-4 is susceptible to the inside run if the NT isn't a force to be reckoned with. Those MLBs better be REAL fast and strong, otherwise teams will run it up the gut all day.
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MLB is a strength of the team.
 
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