Comparing Josh Dobbs and Chad Kelly vs. SEC competition

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I take Dobbs over Kelly all day. But if on an Ole Miss board there is a poster named Kelly 4 Heisman I'm going to bet I'd like him more than our resident flunky.
 
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UTodd01 said:
I usually agree with his Dobbs stuff, but that's just me lol
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I understand, raving about Dobbs seems fairly UT..
On the surface.
For KB, I believe using accurate numbers is very important and I agree with that 100%.

And I will add this for me. The almost unachievable numbers D4H keeps promoting. I'm personally witnessing people/members starting to buy in, realistic or not.
It's a political tactic to repeat anything over and over until it becomes truth in people's minds.
Now what do you think is going to happen to people's thoughts if these imaginary numbers aren't met?

1. They believe Dobbs was all hype and failed, even tho that's a complete misunderstanding caused by overhyping.

2. Dobbs was on his way but our horrible coach caused him to fail.


Trust me,it's not easy trying to point out the unpleasant realities of what he's doing.
Spouting his stats will earn him tons of likes.
But it makes no difference. Thankfully, there are several posters here willing to take an unpopular stance because it's the right thing to do. For UT, Dobbs and accuracy.
Can't wait till the curtain falls on this mess so he can rejoin with a different alias. And start all over.
Of course, there will be those that get right back in line.
 
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chargervol said:
I understand, raving about Dobbs seems fairly UT..
On the surface.
For KB, I believe using accurate numbers is very important and I agree with that 100%.

And I will add this for me. The almost unachievable numbers D4H keeps promoting. I'm personally witnessing people/members starting to buy his crap.
It's a political tactic to repeat anything over and over until it becomes truth in people's minds.
Now what do you think is going to happen to people's thoughts if these imaginary numbers aren't met?

1. They believe Dobbs was all hype and failed, even tho that's a complete misunderstanding caused by D4H.

2. Dobbs was on his way but our horrible coach caused him to fail.
(He's already planted that seed)

Trust me,it's not easy trying to point out the unpleasant realities of what he's doing.
Spouting his fake/cherry picked stats will earn him tons of likes.
But it makes no difference. Unfortunately for him, there are several posters here willing to take an unpopular stance because it's the right thing to do. For UT, Dobbs and truth.
Can't wait till the curtain falls on this sham so he can rejoin with a different alias. And start all over.
Of course, there will be those that get right back in line.
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I agree with you on most these points. He will definitely blame someone else if Dobbs doesn't put up the historic numbers he has called for. But I also feel like Dobbs has gotten better every year and I think he knows what needs to be fixed even if D4H doesn't. I look for a big year from him. Especially if our wr crew stays healthy. Lots of teams already worried about our run game. If Dobbs fixes some minor things, I think it will be a huge year for him and the Vols.
 
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VonVol said:
I agree with you on most these points. He will definitely blame someone else if Dobbs doesn't put up the historic numbers he has called for. But I also feel like Dobbs has gotten better every year and I think he knows what needs to be fixed even if D4H doesn't. I look for a big year from him. Especially if our wr crew stays healthy. Lots of teams already worried about our run game. If Dobbs fixes some minor things, I think it will be a huge year for him and the Vols.
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From your reply, I didn't see anything we disagree on. I think Dobbs will have a spectacular year. I just think the numbers d4h has implied, means people won't be satisfied no matter how great Dobbs does. It really ticks me off what he's doing to such a great player.
 
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Dobbs will be better. No way he approaches some of the number being thrown around. If he did it would be one of the top 3 seasons passing at UT all time. We only have 4 seasons of 3K yards passing in our history. Only 3 qbs here have done it. None of them had rushing yards like Dobbs will. Dobbs already had the 5th most total o in a season last year. He will add a couple hundred more yards and a few tds. That is it. That will still be a top 3 total o season for us even with only about 2500-2700 passing I expect him to get.
 
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KBVol said:
Kelly averaged more yards per rushing attempt last year and had 10 rushing tds compared to Josh's 11. He's a very good athlete who's on another planet than Josh when it comes to throwing the ball. If you're gonna give Josh the edge then you gotta do it based on your subjective opinion because you surely can't do it by any objective measure.
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Kelly scrambles Dobbs has designed runs.

Huge difference.

Sometimes stats lie. This is one of them if you think Kelly is remotely in the same class as Dobbs when it comes to running.

Kelly couldn't do what Dobbs did to Florida and Georgia on DESIGNED RUNS.
 
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I like Dobbs. I think he's going to have a big season, especially if....

We get one stand-out receiver and one reliable receiver. The key to the "throw game" this year is for the receiving corps to take a huge step forward. If we have anywhere close to the equivalent of Cory Fleming and Craig Faulkner step-up this season we will be in the play-offs.

I'm looking at you, Coach Z.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys are the ones who obsess over this accuracy word. I personally have never used it to describe Dobbs or any QB.

The only words I use to describe Josh is TALENTED. The only premise I have about Dobbs is he's a great player.

And because he's talented and great, he'll win the heisman.
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That is blatantly dishonest. Whether you used a particular word or not, you have had long arguments claiming that Dobbs is an accurate passer while blaming his inaccuracy on others, particularly coaches and receivers.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I am. I'm just a little more gifted than the typical lay fan.
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Hate to break it to you.... but no, you aren't.



Actually no. I don't like him cause he ain't a vol. Something y'all don't seem to care much about.
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LOL.... which has absolutely NOTHING to do with whether he is talented, more talented than Dobbs, or a future NFL player.

I guess that was a demonstration of your "gift"?

You'd rather attack our own in favor of other QBs.
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Hardly. But your delusions and persistence in posting them forces us into the uncomfortable position of being critical of Vols and defending players on other teams.

Rain Man was gifted.... but it didn't make him an expert on football.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Kelly scrambles Dobbs has designed runs.

Huge difference.

Sometimes stats lie. This is one of them if you think Kelly is remotely in the same class as Dobbs when it comes to running.

Kelly couldn't do what Dobbs did to Florida and Georgia on DESIGNED RUNS.
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You think Kelly scrambled 106 times and scored 10 tds off of broken plays? Well hell, then Kelly's even better than we thought.
 
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QuickSmurf said:
Yes I was showing that what you said was true since dh4 goes by stats :)
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Wasn't sure. Appreciate the back up Smurf.

And look, I think Dobbs is probably the better runner, but if he is, it's a razor thin difference. And I certainly believe the passing gap between the two is pretty wide. I love Josh, think he's probably a top 5 or 6 QB in the country and is the second best in the conference. To me, that's high praise and very supportive. To others though, those comments evidently make me a racist negavol.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Do you really think Kelly could run our offense like Dobbs?

There is a huge difference between scrambling and designed runs.

Dobbs is essentially a 3rd running back for us. Kelly can't and hasn't done that.
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No, I don't think that Kelly would handle the running aspect of our offense as well as Josh. But he'd by far make up for it and then some with how much better he's be in the passing game.
 
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KBVol said:
Wasn't sure. Appreciate the back up Smurf.

And look, I think Dobbs is probably the better runner, but if he is, it's a razor thin difference. And I certainly believe the passing gap between the two is pretty wide. I love Josh, think he's probably a top 5 or 6 QB in the country and is the second best in the conference. To me, that's high praise and very supportive. To others though, those comments evidently make me a racist negavol.
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No problem KB. In all honesty dh4 seems crazy, no offense dh4 :) . One minute he says something pretty good then the next he's bragging about how awesome he is. I see dh4 the way Ben Carson, before he left the presidential race, said that he saw Donald Trump.
 
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KBVol said:
No, I don't think that Kelly would handle the running aspect of our offense as well as Josh. But he'd by far make up for it and then some with how much better he's be in the passing game.
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He's not better in the pass game. He just had the benefit of better wide receivers.

Treadwell was a first rounder and Cody Core was also drafted. Plus he has a couple more coming back that'll be drafted next year like Evan Engram, Adebayo, and Stringfellow.

Dobbs on the other hand had injuries/dismissal rob him of Pig Howard, Marquez North, and Jason Croom. That's losing 3 of his top 4 receivers from the previous year. He also had to count on 2 true freshmen to be among his top 4 receivers. One who was less than 12 months removed from ACL surgery and another who moved from QB at the start of fall camp.

Their situations weren't remotely close from a supporting cast point of view.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's not better in the pass game. He just had the benefit of better wide receivers.

Treadwell was a first rounder and Cody Core was also drafted. Plus he has a couple more coming back that'll be drafted next year like Evan Engram, Adebayo, and Stringfellow.

Dobbs on the other hand had injuries/dismissal rob him of Pig Howard, Marquez North, and Jason Croom. That's losing 3 of his top 4 receivers from the previous year. He also had to count on 2 true freshmen to be among his top 4 receivers. One who was less than 12 months removed from ACL surgery and another who moved from QB at the start of fall camp.

Their situations weren't remotely close from a supporting cast point of view.
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You know what, I take that back. Not only is Kelly 10 times the better passer, he's by far the better athlete and runner. It's not even remotely close. Dobbs can't hold a candle to him and the only reason Kelly didn't run for at least 1,000 yards and 20 tds last year is because Freeze screwed him over and made him throw the ball all the time.

I think Kelly easily wins the heisman this year after throwing for 7,500 yards and running for another 1,500 because he's losing so many of his OLs and will be forced to scramble so much.

He then, of course, after leading OleMiss to an undefeated 15-0 national championship season, will be the number one overall pick.....so much so, that the NFL expands the draft by a day to Wednesday, which will be declared "Chad Kelly Number One Overall Pick Day"....a day dedicated just to him and his selection.

There we go.....the D4H way.
 
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Dobbs is a better scrambler and runner and Kelly is a better more accurate passer. PERIOD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
He's not better in the pass game. He just had the benefit of better wide receivers.

Treadwell was a first rounder and Cody Core was also drafted. Plus he has a couple more coming back that'll be drafted next year like Evan Engram, Adebayo, and Stringfellow.

Dobbs on the other hand had injuries/dismissal rob him of Pig Howard, Marquez North, and Jason Croom. That's losing 3 of his top 4 receivers from the previous year. He also had to count on 2 true freshmen to be among his top 4 receivers. One who was less than 12 months removed from ACL surgery and another who moved from QB at the start of fall camp.

Their situations weren't remotely close from a supporting cast point of view.
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Dude, you ae absolutely delusional. Kelly is far and away the better passer and it is not even close. Dobbs was the 7th rated passer in the SEC last year and the competition was not that strong. You have even stated that "Dobbs is like a 3rd running back", well sorry to tell you this, but, we need a 1st QB, not a 3rd running back.

You talk all the time about looking at film, well, look at the footwork, Kelly is by far superior, hence why his completion percentage is greater. How many bounce passes did Kelly throw on screen passes vs Dobbs?

Look at the release, Kelly 's release is about a second faster with a higher release point. Dobbs tends to wind up when he is in the pocket. Again, this contributes to the higher percentage.

Arm strength, no contest, Kelly throws on a rope, Dobbs lobs it, Look at JD V the throwing challenge, then look at QD. That is the difference between true arm strength and just being able to sling it 60 yds. Kinda like Nolan Ryan vs a center fielder.

Lastly, Dobbs has to have the receiver open to throw it, Kelly, throws them open, that is the true measuring stick of an elite QB, vs, a good one.
 
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Nasavol said:
Dude, you ae absolutely delusional. Kelly is far and away the better passer and it is not even close. Dobbs was the 7th rated passer in the SEC last year and the competition was not that strong. You have even stated that "Dobbs is like a 3rd running back", well sorry to tell you this, but, we need a 1st QB, not a 3rd running back.

You talk all the time about looking at film, well, look at the footwork, Kelly is by far superior, hence why his completion percentage is greater. How many bounce passes did Kelly throw on screen passes vs Dobbs?

Look at the release, Kelly 's release is about a second faster with a higher release point. Dobbs tends to wind up when he is in the pocket. Again, this contributes to the higher percentage.

Arm strength, no contest, Kelly throws on a rope, Dobbs lobs it, Look at JD V the throwing challenge, then look at QD. That is the difference between true arm strength and just being able to sling it 60 yds. Kinda like Nolan Ryan vs a center fielder.

Lastly, Dobbs has to have the receiver open to throw it, Kelly, throws them open, that is the true measuring stick of an elite QB, vs, a good one.
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Spot on.
 
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Nasavol said:
Dude, you ae absolutely delusional. Kelly is far and away the better passer and it is not even close. Dobbs was the 7th rated passer in the SEC last year and the competition was not that strong. You have even stated that "Dobbs is like a 3rd running back", well sorry to tell you this, but, we need a 1st QB, not a 3rd running back.

You talk all the time about looking at film, well, look at the footwork, Kelly is by far superior, hence why his completion percentage is greater. How many bounce passes did Kelly throw on screen passes vs Dobbs?

Look at the release, Kelly 's release is about a second faster with a higher release point. Dobbs tends to wind up when he is in the pocket. Again, this contributes to the higher percentage.

Arm strength, no contest, Kelly throws on a rope, Dobbs lobs it, Look at JD V the throwing challenge, then look at QD. That is the difference between true arm strength and just being able to sling it 60 yds. Kinda like Nolan Ryan vs a center fielder.

Lastly, Dobbs has to have the receiver open to throw it, Kelly, throws them open, that is the true measuring stick of an elite QB, vs, a good one.
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agreed.

these are things that can get better mind you, but based on body of work seen thus far, i'd take Kelly, the passer, over Dobbs, the passer.

overall, i think Dobbs has a higher ceiling, b/c of his athleticism. and if he does get better in the passing game this season....he can definitely be the best qb in the SEC.
 
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