Commentary: The Michigan comparison

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TFP's Mark Wiedmer weighs in...again..
I have one word for all the Tennessee Volniacs out there who believe firing Phil Fulmer will assure the Big Orange of big success every season: Michigan.

Yes, the Vols and Wolverines have the same record at the moment, each standing a disappointing 2-4. The Maize and Blue even have a victory over then-No. 9 Wisconsin to shout about.

But Michigan also has a 13-10 loss to Toledo to deal with this week. And just to put that in further perspective, Toledo improved to 2-4 with that shocker inside UM’s Big House.

Point is, new Wolverines boss Rich Rodriguez was supposed reverse this train wreck of a program when Lloyd Carr was forced to retire last season.

And it was clearly a record in need of reversing. Carr only won 75 percent of his games, one national championship (sound familiar, Volniacs?) and five Big Ten titles or co-titles in his 13 seasons.
What a failure.

But much as Carr couldn’t hold his own against archrival Ohio State — losing six of his final seven games against the Buckeyes — Fulmer finds the Big Orange Nation’s bullseye squarely on his back, front and forehead for his own failings against the Southeastern Conference’s elite.

Fair or not, that’s what happens when you make over $2 million a year, you just signed a long-term contract and you’ve lost four straight games to Florida, four straight to Auburn, five of the last eight to Georgia, three of the last four to LSU and two of the last three to Alabama.

In fact, the momentum for his dismissal has apparently grown so loud that Fulmer told his players after Saturday’s 26-14 loss to Georgia to tell anyone who asks about the state of the team to say, “I’m not quitting.”

He added, “Everybody in the world is going to talk about me. They’re going to talk about our staff. They’re going to talk about (the players) and what kind of backbone we’ve got. You stay in this business long enough you’re going to have ups and downs. I’ve won a lot more than I’ve lost. I’m not going to do anything but keep fighting.”

Yet there also comes a point in every coaching career where you have to balance what’s best for the program against what’s best for you.
Yes, Fulmer can keep fighting. But at what long-term cost? Can he reverse the Vols’ current slide in a year? Two? Three? Fan apathy is already growing. How long before they seal his fate by sealing their pocketbooks until UT athletic director Mike Hamilton makes a change?
Barring a Fulmer surprise retirement, nothing should happen this season. With an economic climate far worse than UT’s current record, it’s preposterous to think Hamilton would change coaches, knowing that the buyout of Fulmer and his current staff — plus the expense of hiring a new coaching staff — could reach $15 million.

This is not to say Fulmer shouldn’t make a few changes, beginning with discipline and execution.

The Big Orange Nation can whine all it wants about the validity of the personal foul on Demetrice Morley on the Bulldogs’ final drive of the opening half — and maybe it was questionable in slow motion, especially to those who watch NASCAR in hopes of seeing a wreck — but that doesn’t explain away the three other personal foul penalties.

One other thought. If you’re going to play rock-’em, sock-’em football in a year when the officials are making hits to the head a point of emphasis you might want your media relations office not to use Morley’s quote — “We want to have people scared to come across the middle ... we want to put fear in people’s hearts” — in your pregame notes.

Fans may think officials can’t read, but just in case, quotes such as those make the Vols look as if they’re playing foot-in-mouth-ball.
Moreover, it was Fulmer who said, “Personal foul penalties are usually a loss of composure.” It is a coach’s job to limit that loss of composure.
Not that Fulmer is the only college football coach in east Tennessee who should consider his future these days. The University of Tennessee at Chattanooga’s Rodney Allison should consider officially stepping aside as soon as possible.

This isn’t to say there’s any doubt about his departure. He has no contract after this year. The Mocs now stand 1-6 overall and 0-3 in the Southern Conference. Allison couldn’t be more done if he were Lehman Brothers.

But he has a chance to go out with great style and dignity. He should call a press conference and thank UTC for believing him for six years. He should then tell the public that he has concluded that it’s in everyone’s best interest to part ways and head in different directions.
Such an announcement gives the Mocs a head start on targeting their next head coach and gives Allison and his staff a head start on finding their next job. It might become his biggest UTC victory.

But Fulmer is clearly in a different place. This is his school and his state and counting his UT playing career he has devoted 34 years of his life to Big Orange football. Throw in the 1998 national championship, the .750 winning percentage and his 13 seasons in the Top 25 and he deserves — at least for now — to determine his own fate.

But as the fans fume around him, Fulmer should consider Carr’s words when he announced his retirement: “My timing is based on one thing, what is best for Michigan football.”

At the same time — the Vols’ and Wolverines’ current 2-4 records not withstanding — UT fans should ponder if they’re ready to endure what their Michigan counterparts are suffering through in Carr’s absence.

Change is only good when it makes things better.
 
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I think the idea that we hire a new coach and expect immediate results is a Big Orange Lie. We know we are in for a dry period unless we are lucky. Detractors simply feel like we lose a little more ground every year we put it off.

Hell, at this point people want two things:
1. Entertainment
2. Improvement

This year hasn't offered either. Not only is the product boring, it is not getting any better from week to week.
 
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I think the idea that we hire a new coach and expect immediate results is a Big Orange Lie. We know we are in for a dry period unless we are lucky. Detractors simply feel like we lose a little more ground every year we put it off.

Hell, at this point people want two things:
1. Entertainment
2. Improvement

This year hasn't offered either. Not only is the product boring, it is not getting any better from week to week.

I agree. At some point you have to be able to win vs your rivals. Win the division at least once every 10 years. This season we dont seem to be improving from game to game. I have never thought a 3-9 season would even be possible. With each passing game that possibility grows even more real. The sooner we make changes the sooner we can get back to UT football.
 
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I am ABSOFRICKINLUTELY ready to go through what Michigan is going through. Rich Rodriguez brings an offense to Michigan and doesn't have the players for his offensive scheme, yet. Give him a couple of years and we'll see how that turns out. At least Michigan got tired of being Ohio State's doormat and is trying to fix the situation. I don't frequent Michigan boards because I dislike them quite a bit but I wanted to see the pulse of the fans after the loss Saturday. There are some crazies like you would expect but most of their fans are reasonable enough to let Rodriguez have a couple of years worth of recruiting come in and get guys he can work with in there.

I'm so tired of hearing this Fulmer gave howmanyever years to this program and he deserves more. Anyone making the kind of coin he makes should come under scrutiny. If I made millions a year I think I'd be under pressure to perform and if I didn't I'd need to be let go.

I could start out at a company and be a company man from the time I was 18 years old and give 20 more years to the company before they promote me to CEO. Then I could turn tremendous profits and have things on the upswing for several years peaking like Fulmer did in 98. Then I could make some bad decisions and hire in bad management under me and slowly start to be a middle of the road CEO. Then I could make all the wrong decisions one year and get saved by people that used to work for me begging for me to keep my job. I could turn it around for a couple of years and do fairly well and then hit the tank again and slip under what I did that year everyone begged for them to keep me. Do you think the company would keep me around paying me millions not to perform? And would some of the people that held shares in the company feel bad for me because I was such an awwww shucks company man that gave my life to the company? Especially when, by the end, I was making millions a year to underperform and not have any answers to the changing economic climate.
 
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I think the idea that we hire a new coach and expect immediate results is a Big Orange Lie. We know we are in for a dry period unless we are lucky. Detractors simply feel like we lose a little more ground every year we put it off.

Hell, at this point people want two things:
1. Entertainment
2. Improvement

This year hasn't offered either. Not only is the product boring, it is not getting any better from week to week.
thank you. could not agree more.

and it's not like anyone expected Michigan to be anything of note this year anyway. using it as a reason to not change is a poor attempt at logic.

I'm just over the resume posting. we know the record, we know how long he's been at UT. We can also see the current product related to the competiton.
 
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I agree with Mark Wiedmer 100%. Another great example would be Florida’s 1st year under Urban Meyer…….uuuuuhhhh…. nevermind.
 
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what the article missed in the comparison is that Michigan faithful now have reason to believe that the program will get better.
 
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Fulmer will never retire. He thinks he owns this damn state and it will take security personally escorting from the facility. Fulmer doesn't care about our program, he cares about breaking Neylands record. If he really loved the program he would retire, but dont look to see that happen, he will drag our program deeper in the mud. The man is a joke and now our team is a joke.
 
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thank you. could not agree more.

and it's not like anyone expected Michigan to be anything of note this year anyway. using it as a reason to not change is a poor attempt at logic.

I'm just over the resume posting. we know the record, we know how long he's been at UT. We can also see the current product related to the competiton.

To a person I am positive that Michigan fans are very hopeful that this is going to get much better very soon....they actually have something to hope for.

Before people start calling me hopeless, they should look at a few of my post before this season got started.
 
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Yeah well it would be a good comparison if we had already gotten rid of our coach. Michigan has a excuse we don't.
 
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To a person I am positive that Michigan fans are very hopeful that this is going to get much better very soon....they actually have something to hope for.

Before people start calling me hopeless, they should look at a few of my post before this season got started.
and they also understand that they are getting a completely new system and until they get all the requisite parts for that system, some growing pains are imminent.

the author of the article apparenlty believes his audience to be a bunch college football novices with no clue as to what the big picture is.

the sad part is there are likely those out there that read this and thought "he's got a point".
 
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To a person I am positive that Michigan fans are very hopeful that this is going to get much better very soon....they actually have something to hope for.

Before people start calling me hopeless, they should look at a few of my post before this season got started.
we all hope beyond reason, then reality kicks in and we annually tell ourselves that "we should have known better."
 
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Michigan is undergoing a rough transition because of the extreme change in offensive philosophy. And, I doubt one bad year will hurt Coach Rod's recruiting - he has his success at WVU to point to.
 
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He has no point and i already said they were preparing the economy as their excuse. They act like we should just shut up and let phil do a pile driver on our program. BS all of it.
 
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We also have a lot with Clemson. Both coaches were given raises this offseason that were unwarranted, both programs are underachievers/overrated nearly every season, both wear orange, and both have a tie to Mike Hamilton...
 
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I am ABSOFRICKINLUTELY ready to go through what Michigan is going through. Rich Rodriguez brings an offense to Michigan and doesn't have the players for his offensive scheme, yet. Give him a couple of years and we'll see how that turns out. At least Michigan got tired of being Ohio State's doormat and is trying to fix the situation. I don't frequent Michigan boards because I dislike them quite a bit but I wanted to see the pulse of the fans after the loss Saturday. There are some crazies like you would expect but most of their fans are reasonable enough to let Rodriguez have a couple of years worth of recruiting come in and get guys he can work with in there.

I'm so tired of hearing this Fulmer gave howmanyever years to this program and he deserves more. Anyone making the kind of coin he makes should come under scrutiny. If I made millions a year I think I'd be under pressure to perform and if I didn't I'd need to be let go.

I could start out at a company and be a company man from the time I was 18 years old and give 20 more years to the company before they promote me to CEO. Then I could turn tremendous profits and have things on the upswing for several years peaking like Fulmer did in 98. Then I could make some bad decisions and hire in bad management under me and slowly start to be a middle of the road CEO. Then I could make all the wrong decisions one year and get saved by people that used to work for me begging for me to keep my job. I could turn it around for a couple of years and do fairly well and then hit the tank again and slip under what I did that year everyone begged for them to keep me. Do you think the company would keep me around paying me millions not to perform? And would some of the people that held shares in the company feel bad for me because I was such an awwww shucks company man that gave my life to the company? Especially when, by the end, I was making millions a year to underperform and not have any answers to the changing economic climate.

That is a very good analogy.
 
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the problem is, Rich Rodriguez is running an offense that is ENTIRELY different than anything Michigan has ever done, or recruited for. The spread option requires a certain set of athletes that Michigan just does not have. Its like taking Texas Tech and trying to run the Wishbone with them next year. Texas Tech is full of speed, spread type guys and doing something as drastically different as the Wishbone would render them virtually ineffective.

Rodriguez will have Michigan winning a lot of games. Everyone expected them to struggle this year, this isnt some kind of new revelation. Michigan made the right move, he is a winner and will have the Wolverines back.

I am definitly ready for the lean times that may just come. The problem with now is, with Fulmer I do not expect anything more than a Cotton Bowl, Outback bowl and playing in, but not winning an SEC championship every once in a while. With a new coach, I have hope for better days.
 
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Ooops... we don't have one thing in common with Clemson anymore. Bowden fired... :eek:hmy:

Let the arms race begin.
 
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I said it when we were hiring Clawson and was disappointed then, not to say
I dislike Clawson. He seems like a good coach. But we need a game changer right now. And the one game changer other than a NFL guy like Gruden is Gus Malzhan. The guy has something just like Meyer had something. I would rather he be our OC right now he is not tested as a HC at this level or even one below. No doubt though he will bring entertainment back to UT football. I cannot watch Fulmer's Offense and it is worse when I have to watch Clawson's offense meddled with by Porky. It is like a kid born with two heads so neither can survive. I am not saying Gus is the only guy but we need that game changer and we need him now. Now means right after all these players sign for this recruiting class.
 
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what the article missed in the comparison is that Michigan faithful now have reason to believe that the program will get better.
I had couple over the other night and he did his undergrad work at Michigan. He stiil believes in the Big Blue and Rodriguez. His Big Blue flag was flying high Saturday. So I agree, there is no comparison of the programs or coaches to be made.
 
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Michigan fans aren't going to tolerate mediocrity very long. Rodriguez better win big next year like Meyer, Stoops and Tressel did (all 3 won national titles in year 2). Some fans are already getting tired of his offense.
 
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