College football is about offense? Not so fast my friend

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
No, I disagree that all DC's say it, just the ones without confidence their unit can stop anyone.

We were just 90th in scoring defense, giving up more than twice as many points as the best defense not named Georgia. That's got to improve drastically for us to take the next step, drastically.

National Champion, Scoring Defense Rank, the last 13 seasons:

21' UGA, #1
20' Bama, #8
19' LSU, #31
18' Clemson, #1
17' Bama, #1
16' Clemson, #10
15', Bama,#2
14', Ohio State, #26
13', Florida State, #1
12' Bama, #1
11' Bama, #1
10' Auburn, # 53
09' Bama, #2

So 3 out of the last 5 national championships have gone to the team with the #1 scoring defense. 8 of the last 13 have gone to either the # 1 or # 2 scoring defense. 10 of the last 13 have gone to teams with a Top 10 scoring defense. Defense is far from dead. Of the outliers here 19' LSU and 14' both had defenses that improved alot during the year and we're playing at a pretty high level by crunch time. Auburn 2010 is probably the worst defense I ever remember winning the natty. Cam was a generational player and fortunately he came along for Auburn right when he did, I don't think that team wins it all any other year in this time period.
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How many more points and yards is the #1 or #5 total defense allowing today versus 20 years ago? That is my point.

It's more of an offensive game. "Good defenses" do not prevent yards like they used to.
 
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Offense is more important and if Bama had been healthy the NC wouldn’t have been close
 
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05_never_again said:
How many more points and yards is the #1 or #5 total defense allowing today versus 20 years ago? That is my point.

It's more of an offensive game. "Good defenses" do not prevent yards like they used to.
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2009: 1st: 10.4 ppg 10th: 15.7 ppg
2010: 1st: 12.0 ppg 10th: 17.4 ppg
2011: 1st: 8.2 ppg 10th: 18.4 ppg
2012: 1st: 10.9 ppg 10th: 16.8 ppg
2013: 1st: 12.1 ppg 10th: 19.0 ppg
2014: 1st: 16.0 ppg 10th: 19.2 ppg
2015: 1st: 13.7 ppg 10th: 17.8 ppg
2016: 1st: 13.0 ppg 10th: 18.0 ppg
2017: 1st: 11.9 ppg 10th: 17.9 ppg
2018: 1st: 13.1 ppg 10th: 17.7 ppg
2019: 1st: 12.6 ppg 10th: 16.9 ppg
2020: 1st: 13.0 ppg 10th: 17.4 ppg
2021: 1st: 10.2 ppg 10th: 18.3 ppg

We don't need to excuse bad defense. There are plenty of teams stopping people, we just weren't one last year. For comparison, our 1998 national champions gave up 13.7 ppg.
 
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JoAllan said:
your looking at merely the top of the top.

How many teams are going to be on a Bama or Georgia level?…….very, very few.

As Tennessee’s coach has shown it’s quite easy to get “better” and to become competitive simply from an O scheme……..you want to do that with D……it ain’t happening, your probably going to need some time and studs (for the most part).

Not many folks claiming D is dead. Just simply the game has changed and it has. In order for everyone else to try and catch up and to just be competitive……they need O (again for the most part).

21 Georgia had the 9th rated O -
20 Bama had the #2 rated O
19 LSU had the #1 rated O
18 Clemson had the 4th rated O
So on and so on.

Again not that just the National Championship winning team means everything or anything (in this context)……….but they have been having some great offenses too.

They simply have the players.
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My position, as reflected in my first post ITT is that this stuff is cyclical, offenses come up with new stuff and defenses make adjustments, it's been going on my whole life. Neither side is going to permanently have the upper hand. You better be good in all three phases to win at the highest level, but either a dominant O and a good D or a good O and a dominant D are both still winning formulas. Heupel effectively said a few days ago that in going back and looking at the season's tape, the difference in us winning 3 more games last year was third down defense and pass rush, and he's right, that's where we need to see improvement to take the next step. He's not kidding himself at least, and he's the one who matters, giving up almost 30 points per game and finishing 90th in scoring defense ain't gonna cut it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Offense is more important and if Bama had been healthy the NC wouldn’t have been close
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Don't give aid and comfort to Bammer excuses, UGA had players out too. It's bad enough that we have to deal with UGA being champs, but we need to take advantage of the other side of the coin and kick Bama as much as possible, by not giving them any moral victories. Bottom line is injuries are part of the game and Satan didn't have all his players ready to play. Their only TD was a total gift anyway, so they need to count their blessings that it was as close as it was.

The Streak will fall, it is inevitable:

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Don't give aid and comfort to Bammer excuses, UGA had players out too. It's bad enough that we have to deal with UGA being champs, but we need to take advantage of the other side of the coin and kick Bama as much as possible, by not giving them any moral victories. Bottom line is injuries are part of the game and Satan didn't have all his players ready to play. Their only TD was a total gift anyway.
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Sure they are part of the game. But we also saw what happened when he had players to throw to. It wasn’t even close, an average Bama offense destroyed a historically great Georgia defense
 
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Vol8188 said:
Sure they are part of the game. But we also saw what happened when he had players to throw to. It wasn’t even close, an average Bama offense destroyed a historically great Georgia defense
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Whose to say he'd have had time to throw if UGA had their best pass rusher (Adam Anderson) or anyone to throw to if Tykee Smith (one of CFB's top DB transfers last year) hadn't have got hurt. I also understand UGA's starting free safety #29 was badly hobbled by an injury in the SEC Championship but was healthy and played well in the National Championship. That Bama offense wasn't average, they scored 40 ppg, more than we did, and we sure as hell weren't average on offense. They lost, Bammers need to deal. We don't need UGA being champs, and Bama being moral champs, the only good thing about them playing was that one would lose, and I for one want the loser to own it.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Whose to say he'd have had time to throw if UGA had their best pass rusher (Adam Anderson) or anyone to throw to if Tykee Smith (one of CFB's top DB transfers last year) hadn't have got hurt. I also understand UGA's free safety #29 was badly hobbled in the SEC Championship but was healthy and played well in the National Championship. That Bama offense wasn't average, they scored 40 ppg, more than we did. They lost, Bammers need to deal. We don't need UGA being champs, and Bama being moral champs, the only good thing about them playing was that one would lose, and I for one want the loser to own it.
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Because every indicator tells us an elite WR is more important than elite edge rusher. We can also add the fact that Anderson simply didn’t produce when on the field this year. He played great against a bad auburn offense (5 pressures) and that was it. The rest of the season he had 1-2 pressures in every game.

Tykee Smith played in one game all year (Auburn) and was terrible in that game against one of the leagues worst passing offenses. The year before he played at a lower level than the SEC and still wasn’t elite. When he was on the field he was a box safety/slot corner.

By Bama standards, this was an average offense relative to what they’ve been putting on the field ever since Kiffin came there. And when healthy they destroyed the best defense college football has seen in a long time
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because every indicator tells us an elite WR is more important than elite edge rusher. We can also add the fact that Anderson simply didn’t produce when on the field this year. He played great against a bad auburn offense (5 pressures) and that was it. The rest of the season he had 1-2 pressures in every game.

Tykee Smith played in one game all year (Auburn) and was terrible in that game against one of the leagues worst passing offenses. The year before he played at a lower level than the SEC and still wasn’t elite. When he was on the field he was a box safety/slot corner.

By Bama standards, this was an average offense relative to what they’ve been putting on the field ever since Kiffin came there. And when healthy they destroyed the best defense college football has seen in a long time
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What are you talking about man? It looks to me like Anderson had 5.5 sacks in 7 games, that projects to 11.7 for the full year. There were only two guys in the conference in double digits, so the dude was elite and he didn't play Bama. Tykee Smith was hurt all year, he got hurt in practice before the season, he may have tried to give it a go against Auburn but that's it, how many snaps did he play? What were his horrible plays? When did he play, special teams and garbage time?

Bottom line is he was one of the top 10 transfers at all positions in CFB last year and he didn't get to play Bama due to injury.

2021 College Football Transfer Portal

Also, it looks to me like Auburn didn't even have a passing touchdown in the game he played. So I'd be interested in how you deduced that he played "horrible"? Finally, elite pass rushers are generally paid better in the NFL than anyone but quarterbacks and elite tackles (who keep those elite pass rushers away from quarterbacks), so I'd say they are more valuable.

P.S. I also see another top 10 transfer in to UGA on that list who didn't play, Arik Gilbert, go ahead and add him back too since we are playing the Gumps' fantasy if if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas game.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
What are you talking about man? It looks to me like Anderson had 5.5 sacks in 7 games, that projects to 11.7 for the full year. 12 lead the conference. Tykee Smith was hurt all year, he got hurt in practice before the season, he may have tried to give it a go against Auburn but that's it, how many snaps did he play? What were his horrible plays? When did he play, special teams and garbage time?

Bottom line is he was one of the top 10 transfers at all positions in CFB last year and he didn't get to play Bama due to injury.

2021 College Football Transfer Portal

Also, it looks to me like Auburn didn't even have a passing touchdown in the game he played. So I'd be interested in how you deduced that he played "horrible"? Finally, eite pass rushers are generally paid better in the NFL than anyone but quarterbacks and elite tackles (who keep those elite pass rushers away from quarterbacks), so I'd say they are more valuable.

P.S. I also see another top 10 transfer in to UGA on that list who didn't play, Arik Gilbert, go ahead and add him back too since we are playing the Gumps' fantasy if if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas add back game.
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He played in 8 games not 7. You also seem to be defining a "full year" strangely. If you are defining a "full year" as 14 games, the sack leader for the conference (Will Anderson) had 17.5. IDK what passing TDs has to do with how well Smith played. I'm going off his PFF grade for that game which was in the 50's. JT Daniels was once a highly coveted transfer too.

LMFAO Gilbert is part of your pro-Georgia argument? He may never play another down of football. You're reaching hard now.

What's hilarious is you're listing guys who didn't play at all (or barely played in Smith) and saying "if Georgia only had this guy we never saw play" and pretending it's a valid comparison to 2 guys we saw play and saw light up Georgia.
 
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Vol8188 said:
He played in 8 games not 7. You also seem to be defining a "full year" strangely. If you are defining a "full year" as 14 games, the sack leader for the conference (Will Anderson) had 17.5. IDK what passing TDs has to do with how well Smith played. I'm going off his PFF grade for that game which was in the 50's. JT Daniels was once a highly coveted transfer too.

LMFAO Gilbert is part of your pro-Georgia argument? He may never play another down of football. You're reaching hard now.

What's hilarious is you're listing guys who didn't play at all (or barely played in Smith) and saying "if Georgia only had this guy we never saw play" and pretending it's a valid comparison to 2 guys we saw play and saw light up Georgia.
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This says Anderson played 7 games:

Adam Anderson College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

5.5 sacks in 7 games is 0.785 sacks per game, which multiplied by the 15 games UGA played is 11.775 sacks for the year. Even if it's 8 though, that still projects to more than 10 sacks, which is elite, considering there were only 2 guys in the conference in double digits. Missing an elite pass rusher is a big deal. Anyway, this grows wearisome with all these shoulda coulda woulda's, Bammers lost, they just have to deal.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
This says Anderson played 7 games:

Adam Anderson College Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

5.5 sacks in 7 games is 0.785 sacks per game, which multiplied by the 15 games UGA played is 11.775 sacks for the year. Even if it's 8 though, that still projects to more than 10 sacks, which is elite, considering there were only 2 guys in the conference in double digits. Missing an elite pass rusher is a big deal. Anyway, this grows wearisome with all these shoulda coulda woulda's, Bammers lost, they just have to deal.
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Adam Anderson - 2021 - Football - University of Georgia Athletics

He played in 8.

And once again the greatest defense in Georgia history lost in the SECG to an average Bama offense (their worst in 4 seasons). That's not good for the "defense wins championships" crowd
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
3 of the last 5 national champions were #1 in scoring defense. 8 if the last 13 were #1 or #2. Defense does win championships, notwithstanding all the Bama tears.
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LSU and Auburn disagree. Best defense we saw in probably the last 20 years and probably the best defense Georgia has ever had, got destroyed by Bama in the SECG.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
One of the narratives was you have to have great QB play to win a NC. Bennet is far from great. He isn’t in the stratosphere of the most recent winners like Tua, Lawrence, Burrow or Hurts. It just goes to show that even in todays college football landscape, a truly elite defense will win championships.
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Pretty sure ppl are just saying you need great QB play. While Bennet isn’t flashy he finished third nationally in YPA, third in QBR, and didn’t turn the ball over a lot. That gave UGA the third most efficient offense in the ncaa, which was enough when paired with their defense.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
2009: 1st: 10.4 ppg 10th: 15.7 ppg
2010: 1st: 12.0 ppg 10th: 17.4 ppg
2011: 1st: 8.2 ppg 10th: 18.4 ppg
2012: 1st: 10.9 ppg 10th: 16.8 ppg
2013: 1st: 12.1 ppg 10th: 19.0 ppg
2014: 1st: 16.0 ppg 10th: 19.2 ppg
2015: 1st: 13.7 ppg 10th: 17.8 ppg
2016: 1st: 13.0 ppg 10th: 18.0 ppg
2017: 1st: 11.9 ppg 10th: 17.9 ppg
2018: 1st: 13.1 ppg 10th: 17.7 ppg
2019: 1st: 12.6 ppg 10th: 16.9 ppg
2020: 1st: 13.0 ppg 10th: 17.4 ppg
2021: 1st: 10.2 ppg 10th: 18.3 ppg

We don't need to excuse bad defense. There are plenty of teams stopping people, we just weren't one last year. For comparison, our 1998 national champions gave up 13.7 ppg.
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Go back further than 2009. The game has been trending in an offensive direction for at least 15 years and it has become entrenched over the last 10 or so.
 
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05_never_again said:
Go back further than 2009. The game has been trending in an offensive direction for at least 15 years and it has become entrenched over the last 10 or so.
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I went back as far as cfbstats.com does, 2009. That's 13 seasons and that's a minimal trend at best over that time period, and our national championship team in 1998, who had one of that year's better defenses, had similar points per game numbers (13.7) to the #1 defenses from 2009-2021.
 
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Vol8188 said:
LSU and Auburn disagree. Best defense we saw in probably the last 20 years and probably the best defense Georgia has ever had, got destroyed by Bama in the SECG.
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And whooped Bama's azz in the national championship. Bama's back up receivers were 5 stars, no excuses, not sure why you're giving them aid and comfort. I freaking hate Bama, the day the Saban dynasty collapses and those slack jawed Gumps find out how the other half lives again will be glorious. Screw them. I love to hear them whine.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
And whooped Bama's azz in the national championship. Bama's back up receivers were 5 stars, no excuses, not sure why you're giving them aid and comfort. I freaking hate Bama, the day the Saban dynasty collapses and those slack jawed Gumps find out how the other half lives again will be glorious. Screw them. I love to hear them whine.
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It’s not about aid and comfort just honesty. Georgia has 5 stars all over their offense too. It’s not about hating/loving Bama.

It’s about the reality that when their star WRs were on the field, their average by Bama standards offense destroyed one of the best defenses of all time. That’s a basic fact that you want to ignore I assume based solely on your hatred for Bama.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s not about aid and comfort just honesty. Georgia has 5 stars all over their offense too. It’s not about hating/loving Bama.

It’s about the reality that when their star WRs were on the field, their average by Bama standards offense destroyed one of the best defenses of all time. That’s a basic fact that you want to ignore I assume based solely on your hatred for Bama.
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UGA did not have the best defense of all time. Statistically it was the best defense in 10 seasons from a ppg standpoint, but not by much, roughly a dozen teams had defenses within a field goal ppg in the last decade. So that's pretty marginal. Beating the deep ball is about getting consistent pressure, Auburn and LSU did it to Alabama during the season WITH Metchie and Williams and shut them down. UGA did a much better job getting pressure on Young in the second game and that was the difference.

Let's just say though for the sake of argument that had Williams and/or Metchie had been in the game, and Bama would have scored a touchdown on all 3 occasions they were held to a field goal after Williams got hurt, even with that questionable fumble call which gave them 7 points, that's still only 12 points Bama gained (the difference between a TD and a FG is 4 points, 3×4 = 12), yet they lost by 15, and that's assuming UGA couldn't have scored again if they needed to. I wouldn't bet on it, they were ripping off 7-9 yards a carry right up the middle in the 4th, Bama's defense was wore out. No excuses.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
No, I disagree that all DC's say it, just the ones without confidence their unit can stop anyone.

We were just 90th in scoring defense, giving up more than twice as many points as the best defense not named Georgia. That's got to improve drastically for us to take the next step, drastically.
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Drastically you say? How drastically we talking? Are we looking at drastic overdrastability? Or am I just being drastic? 😂
 
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The_Big_Orange said:
Drastically you say? How drastically we talking? Are we looking at drastic overdrastability? Or am I just being drastic? 😂
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We need to move from 90th in scoring defense to the Top 30. There are only 124 FBS teams, so we basically need to move from near the bottom quartile to the top quartile, 60 spots. That's pretty drastic by almost any definition. There has been one national champion in the last 13 seasons (which is how far CFB stats for com goes back) with a scoring defense higher than 31st, most national champions, 8 of the last 13 have been either 1 or 2 in scoring defense. Our defense needs to improve drastically for the team to take the next step to legitimate championship contender.
 
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