Coleman vs Crompton

#78
#78
ThisIsWhyImHot said:
East-West < Army
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Well, since Crompton played alright in that one game I suppose he is clearly the superior player.

I personally think Crompton will get the start and Coleman won't see the field next year. That comes more from the fact that Crompton has been in college for three years versus Coleman's one. The high school resumes (outside of recruiting rankings) aren't really that different.
 
#79
#79
Just saw some video of Coleman on rivals... he looked damn good throwing the ball. I think he was ranked lower bc he was like a buck eighty coming out of high school at 6'4''. The kids got some serious talent
 
#80
#80
kptvol, I'm not saying that Coleman isn't the better player but Crompton not only went to the Army AA game, he won awards there for the practice week and his play. He was also a Parade AA.

He was more highly regarded than Coleman who only emerged as a 4* after Cut started promoting him.
 
#81
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sjt18 said:
kptvol, I'm not saying that Coleman isn't the better player but Crompton not only went to the Army AA game, he won awards there for the practice week and his play. He was also a Parade AA.

He was more highly regarded than Coleman who only emerged as a 4* after Cut started promoting him.
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Thus, I said other than their recruiting service evaluations there was not much difference. Coleman played flawlessly at his game and his team won. I believe Crompton's team was decimated.
 
#82
#82
govols182 said:
Coleman
Pass Yards: 7123
Pass TD's: 53
INT: 8

Crompton
Pass Yards: 6228
Pass TD's: 57
INT: 12

Also, Coleman ran an option based offense and still passed for that many yards.
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What do you know about Tuscola HS in Waynesville? I'll give you a little hint. They play in the top division of NC football and have virtually no "athletes".
 
#83
#83
kptvol said:
Thus, I said other than their recruiting service evaluations there was not much difference. Coleman played flawlessly at his game and his team won. I believe Crompton's team was decimated.
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What are you comparing though? The Army AA game is THE HS All Star game.
 
#84
#84
sjt18 said:
What are you comparing though? The Army AA game is THE HS All Star game.
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And? There's no reason to assume that Coleman wouldn't have done well there. He's done well with the hands he's been dealt.
 
#85
#85
govols182 said:
Coleman
Pass Yards: 7123
Pass TD's: 53
INT: 8

Crompton
Pass Yards: 6228
Pass TD's: 57
INT: 12

Also, Coleman ran an option based offense and still passed for that many yards.
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Please don't state stats. The Cromptonites want to blindly believe that just because this kid was highly recruited he is God's gift to football despite the fact that he's had almost no playing time and has done nothing more than ride the bench for 3 years.
 
#87
#87
Honestly, Nick Stephens and Casey Kelly played against tougher competition than either Coleman or Crompton.
 
#88
#88
That is more than likely true.

Do you think Kelly would have been rated higher if he hadn't missed the time due to the staph infection in his arm?

If he doesn't play baseball, the guy might have been an absolute steal.
 
#89
#89
Vol423 said:
Are you joking? In the mountains of North Carolina? :eek:lol:
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I'm pretty sure that Tuscola plays Asheville, Hickory, and a few other schools that DO have "athletes" in abundance. As for the mtns of NC... maybe you are familiar with these guys who've played for UT... most of whom played in lower divisions: Streater, Mickey Marvin, Shuler, Little, Pickens, Bryson,... and then there was Sam Gash who escaped to PSU and Brad Johnson who went to FSU. Jimmy Streater's two bros played at UNC... one signed with the Redskins before being paralyzed in a car accident.

The population isn't large but the quality of football has always been better than average.

As with many areas, some of the best players are guys you've never heard of because their heads weren't screwed on straight. Pickens wasn't the best player to ever come out of Murphy. A few years before he played a guy named Tony Colbert dominated. The guy had over 400 yards rushing in a single game.

TC played a few years in the Cubs minor league system before washing out.
 
#90
#90
Vol423 said:
Please don't state stats. The Cromptonites want to blindly believe that just because this kid was highly recruited he is God's gift to football despite the fact that he's had almost no playing time and has done nothing more than ride the bench for 3 years.
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I frankly want the best player to start regardless of who it is. All I'm trying to do is point out when some folks are unbalanced.

If that is your knock on JC... what is your justification for pushing Coleman? HS stats? Heresay about what he might or might not be doing within the program?
 
#91
#91
sjt18 said:
I'm pretty sure that Tuscola plays Asheville, Hickory, and a few other schools that DO have "athletes" in abundance. As for the mtns of NC... maybe you are familiar with these guys who've played for UT... most of whom played in lower divisions: Streater, Mickey Marvin, Shuler, Little, Pickens, Bryson,... and then there was Sam Gash who escaped to PSU and Brad Johnson who went to FSU. Jimmy Streater's two bros played at UNC... one signed with the Redskins before being paralyzed in a car accident.

The population isn't large but the quality of football has always been better than average.

As with many areas, some of the best players are guys you've never heard of because their heads weren't screwed on straight. Pickens wasn't the best player to ever come out of Murphy. A few years before he played a guy named Tony Colbert dominated. The guy had over 400 yards rushing in a single game.

TC played a few years in the Cubs minor league system before washing out.
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What I know is that the best football in North Carolina ISN'T being played in the mountains. The contention that was made was that BJ Coleman didn't face as stiff competition in high school as Crompton did. That's pure B.S.
 
#92
#92
kptvol said:
And? There's no reason to assume that Coleman wouldn't have done well there. He's done well with the hands he's been dealt.
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I don't know he wouldn't have. I also don't wish him anything but the absolute best. If he's better, I want him to start.

OTOH, BJ wasn't invited so someone didn't think as highly of him as JC was thought of. Doesn't mean they weren't wrong... but facts are facts. JC was more highly regarded.
 
#93
#93
Vol423 said:
What I know is that the best football in North Carolina ISN'T being played in the mountains. The contention that was made was that BJ Coleman didn't face as stiff competition in high school as Crompton did. That's pure B.S.
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The best football is probably played in the Triad area. I don't know what kind of competition BJ played against. I do know that Tuscola plays against much more athletic teams than they are.
 
#94
#94
Vol423, The population of the 13 WNC counties is probably significantly less than metro Chattanooga. For that many stars to come out of that area says something about the quality of football being played.
 
#95
#95
sjt18 said:
I frankly want the best player to start regardless of who it is. All I'm trying to do is point out when some folks are unbalanced.

If that is your knock on JC... what is your justification for pushing Coleman? HS stats? Heresay about what he might or might not be doing within the program?
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Perhaps you should read back through this thread to gain some perspective. I'm not pushing Coleman or Crompton. The only problem that I have with Crompton is that 90% of the Vol fan base is ready to kiss this guy's ass on the fifty-yard line before the opening game of the season, and he hasn't done ANYTHING to prove that he's worthy of the starting position yet. These same people were trying to argue that Crompton would have a good shot at the starting position his first year at UT (prior to his injury), and then again tried to make the same argument the next year. This guy has proved nothing. He is highly recruited out of high school and that is it. So far at UT he has been nothing more than a highly recruited bench warmer.

High school football in the mountains of North Carolina is no better than the competition that Coleman played against in high school. Quite frankly, I don't care which one of them starts. However, the totally unwarranted hero worship is absolutely out of control here. Everyone acts as if it is a foregone conclusion that Crompton is the best player despite the fact that he has done nothing yet to prove it, and he now has over three years of rust to knock off since he had significant time as a starter.
 
#96
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sjt18 said:
Vol423, The population of the 13 WNC counties is probably significantly less than metro Chattanooga. For that many stars to come out of that area says something about the quality of football being played.
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I don't care how many star players may have come out of Western North Carolina, the fact remains that the best teams don't play in the mountains of North Carolina. Quality of competition to me means playing the best teams. Who gives a damn if a team has two five star recruits on it if the team sucks overall.
 
#97
#97
Baylor has sent guys to colleges before. Kevin Cooper and Jaques McClendon are from Baylor. Brentwood Academy has sent tons of players to D1 football. Alcoa has tons of talent in D1 football as well. Riverdale, MBA, and Father Ryan aren't too shabby either. This was from the 2006 season.
 
#99
#99
This whole arguement is pretty ridiculous. How many people have actually seen both players in action for more than a few games, especially not counting meaningless High School All Star games. Not many is my guess. Just root for both to do well.
 
#100
#100
The mere fact that this thread is in existence at this point in time tells me that some of you need to get a hobby for when football is not being played. BTW, since I am in here, Crompton has 2 games of experience in his college career, but he's not going to lose the starting job until after he screws up royally. He has 2 years to play, and if he doesn't play both years at this point in time then I move for all coaches on this staff to be immediately terminated. If the #2 Pro-Style QB in the class of 2005 can't play here at UT then Colt McCoy shouldn't start for the OTHER UT.
 
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